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4.0 out of 5 stars
2008 edition much improved, still not for newbies, April 16, 2008
This review is from: Reading Greek: Grammar and Exercises (Paperback)
This review is from the point of view of an adult self learner.
WHAT IT IS
This book is part of a three-book set, which includes:
1.
Reading Greek: Text and Vocabulary
2.
Reading Greek: Grammar and Exercises
3.
An Independent Study Guide to Reading Greek
Think of the set as one book broken up into three parts, with the Greek practice text from every chapter in book #1, the grammar and exercises in every chapter in book #2, the answers to exercises in book #3. Nutty, but it works.
#1 Short passages of Greek text (with vocab lists at the end of each passage). Early passages are modern Dick-and-Jane "easy Greek" written especially to complement parallel sections of Grammar; later passages are simplified (and further on, not so simplified) passages from ancient texts.
#2 Grammar theory, forms, and exercises all keyed to parallel passages in the Text. So when you study middle voice verbs in Grammar, you read the accompanying passage in Text, and see how that form works in real Greek sentences.
#3 A. Translations of Text #1.
B. Answers to exercises in Grammar #2.
C. Hints and insights.
WHICH TO BUY?
This is an integrated set whose whole is much greater than the sum of the parts. You will want all three books. The TEXT complements the grammar, the GRAMMAR makes much much more sense when supported by the text readings. The answers to exercise in the STUDY GUIDE will show you stuff you missed learning--but you won't find that out unless you have book #3 to check your answers.
[There are other JACT RG books with short Greek passages from ancient texts. You don't need them now (or ever, IMHO Loebs are better).]
BAD STUFF
1. In my experience this is NOT a good set for absolute newbies. It was originally designed in the 1970s when students started Greek after a year of Latin, and thus already understood inflected grammars. If you don't understand inflected grammars already, you may get lost. I did. I tried (the old version) of RG as my first learn-Greek-on-your-own book about 18 months ago, and was immediately lost.
I'd suggest starting with Dobson's
Learn New Testament Greek, them moving on to RG.
2. Vocabulary selection is excellent, Attic prose wise, but you're forced to make your own flip cards or memorization list. Because Greek diacriticals are a bitch, making your own computerized flip cards is a major pain. In the internet age, JACT really should have vocab flip cards at their web site.
3. Ancient Greek is still hard.
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GOOD STUFF
Since giving up on RG the first time I've been through Dobson's Learn NT Greek and memorized the forms in Mounce's
Basics of Biblical Greek Grammar. Now that I've come back to RG it makes much much more sense, and it seems to me the most excellent book.
1. Simple Readings Cement Forms.
After memorizing all the verb forms in Mounce, I found struggling with Greek text a frustration--passing each word through a memorized translation table. RG's solution is to teach your brain to bypass the form tables and recognize word endings-meanings directly. The reading for the Present Tense chapter is full of simple sentences like: "Dikaiopolis walks on the ship." "Then the captain walks on the ship." and "The sailors walk on the ship." - different word endings in each case. Over and over. Repetition, particularly repetition in the context of a memorable little story, cements recognition. (Of course you do still have to memorize the forms.)
This is a whole additional layer of learning that you simply will not get from table-Greek books like Mounce, or tables-and-rules books like Mastronarde's
Introduction to Attic Greek.
2. Sentence Structure.
It's not obvious till you've struggled a while, but ancient Greek has a layer of complexity on top of the alphabet and words. English brains extract word function--subject, verb, direct object--from word order; Greek brains extracted subject, verb, direct object from word endings; Greek sentences used word-order for other purposes. You've got to train you brain to process sentences a whole different way. Again, practice is the key. An RG has lots and lots and lots of text to help.
By the time I was through RG chapter 7, I could pick up Loeb's Xenophon's Anabasis and quickly recognize (via case endings) the structure of each sentence (though of course my vocab still wasn't up to an unassisted reading). This was very exciting.
Again, this is a whole additional layer of learning that you will not get from table-Greek books like Mounce, or tables-and-rules books like Mastronarde .
3. Learn By Reading; Lots Of Readings.
RG is not a tables-and-rules book with an expanded Examples section. It is an integrated system of teaching ancient Greek through a graded series of long and progressively complex reading passages. Again, a whole additional layer of learning that you will not get from Mounce or Mastronarde .
4. Attention To Detail
Someone spent a long time getting the big stuff and the little stuff right.
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COMPARING 2008 WITH EARLIER EDITIONS
1. The books are physically bigger, better laid out, with larger type and better fonts--much easier to read. A small thing that makes a big difference.
2. The Grammar has been entirely redone, and is much much better.
3. The Text readings are the same.
4. The vocabulary has been moved from Grammar to Text, which makes the readings much easier. (In the old version you were constantly flipping book to book.)
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COMPARED WITH ATHENAZE
Neither RG or Athenaze is perfect, but the both have lots of simple readings that I find most helpful. I've bought and used both, and would again.
1. Athenaze also has very good readings.
2. Athenaze is slower, with less complex early readings. Athenaze translations are also in a separate, 2d book.
3. Athenaze has NO ANSWERS TO EXERCISES. The current 2003 edition of the Athenaze main text has exercises, but the workbook with the exercise answers was created but apparently never released. For me this is the TIE BREAKER. RGs exercises are very hard, but very useful. If you ace the exercises, you understood the material. If you didn't you didn't.
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11 of 11 people found the following review helpful:
5.0 out of 5 stars
Well, I loved it, September 4, 2009
This review is from: Reading Greek: Grammar and Exercises (Paperback)
Reading the other reviews, and one of them was clearly an excellent comprehensive review, I still felt a need to put in my opinion. I just loved the Reader in this series. It has been a lot of years since I studied Greek, but from the day I bought the grammar and reader, I just felt so enthusiastic about the entire process.
I recall going home and sounding out the words and working out the translation of the first readings, even before the first class. Everything was crystal clear. It is true I had studied Latin before, and that did give me some framework on which to hang the Greek grammar. I always figured it would be much harder for students who hadn't had that advantage. Having said that, our excellent prof took a week and explained some fundamental concepts (inflected grammar, etc), and we did just fine.
But the point about this specific book I'd like to make is that the structured learning via the readings just made the grammar so much more tolerable than it might otherwise have been. I LOVED the readings, and after completing each one, could hardly wait to start the next. Conversely, I recall one Latin class I took where we spent an entire semester doing nothing but grammar exercises and translating sentences from Latin to English. The exercise sentences had no relationship to each other. Nothing related to anything else. I might as well have been studying math for all the pleasure it gave me... This Greek reader is the opposite of that experience -- it is engaging and teaches very effectively.
I recommend this book, and the grammar text that goes with it, wholeheartedly. I have not seen the third text, and might just buy it for the fun of it.
Learning the Greek of Plato and the Aristophanes, etc, is so rewarding in every way. I wish everyone could have the fine experience.
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