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Reading Greek: Text and Vocabulary

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This review is from the point of view of an adult self learner.

WHAT IT IS
This book is part of a three-book set, which includes:
1. RG: Grammar and Exercises
2. RG: Text and Vocabulary
3. RG: An Independent Study Guide ( this book)

Think of the set as one book broken up into three parts, with the Greek practice text from every chapter in book 1, the grammar and exercises in every chapter in book 2, the answers to exercises in book 3. Nutty, but it works.

#1 Short passages of Greek text (with vocab lists at the end of each passage). Early passages are modern Dick-and-Jane "easy Greek" written especially to complement parallel sections of Grammar; later passages are simplified (and further on, not so simplified) passages from ancient texts.

#2 Grammar theory, forms, and exercises all keyed to parallel passages in the Text. So when you study middle voice verbs in Grammar, you read the accompanying passage in Text, and see how that form works in real Greek sentences.

#3 A. Translations of Text #1.
B. Answers to exercises in Grammar #2.
C. Hints and insights.

WHICH TO BUY?
This is an integrated set whose whole is much greater than the sum of the parts. You will want all three books. The TEXT complements the grammar, the GRAMMAR makes much much more sense when supported by the text readings. The answers to exercise in the STUDY GUIDE will show you stuff you missed learning--but you won't find that out unless you have book #3 to check your answers.

[There are other JACT RG books with short Greek passages from ancient texts. You don't need them now (or ever, IMHO Loebs are better).]

BAD STUFF
1. In my experience this is NOT a good set for absolute newbies. It was originally designed in the 1970s when students started Greek after a year of Latin, and thus already understood inflected grammars. If you don't understand inflected grammars already, you may get lost. I did. I tried (the old version) of RG as my first learn-Greek-on-your-own book about 18 months ago, and was immediately lost.

I'd suggest starting with Dobson's Learn New Testament Greek, them moving on to RG.

2. Vocabulary selection is excellent, Attic prose wise, but you're forced to make your own flip cards or memorization list. Because Greek diacriticals are a bitch, making your own computerized flip cards is a major pain. In the internet age, JACT really should have vocab flip cards at their web site.

3. Ancient Greek is still hard.

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GOOD STUFF
Since giving up on RG the first time I've been through Dobson's Learn NT Greek and memorized the forms in Mounce's Basics of Biblical Greek Grammar. Now that I've come back to RG it makes much much more sense, and it seems to me the most excellent book.

1. Simple Readings Cement Forms.
After memorizing all the verb forms in Mounce, I found struggling with Greek text a frustration--passing each word through a memorized translation table. RG's solution is to teach your brain to bypass the form tables and recognize word endings-meanings directly. The reading for the Present Tense chapter is full of simple sentences like: "Dikaiopolis walks on the ship." "Then the captain walks on the ship." and "The sailors walk on the ship." - different word endings in each case. Over and over. Repetition, particularly repetition in the context of a memorable little story, cements recognition. (Of course you do still have to memorize the forms.)

This is a whole additional layer of learning that you simply will not get from table-Greek books like Mounce, or tables-and-rules books like Mastronarde's Introduction to Attic Greek.

2. Sentence Structure.
It's not obvious till you've struggled a while, but ancient Greek has a layer of complexity on top of the alphabet and words. English brains extract word function--subject, verb, direct object--from word order; Greek brains extracted subject, verb, direct object from word endings; Greek sentences used word-order for other purposes. You've got to train you brain to process sentences a whole different way. Again, practice is the key. An RG has lots and lots and lots of text to help.

By the time I was through RG chapter 7, I could pick up Loeb's Xenophon's Anabasis and quickly recognize (via case endings) the structure of each sentence (though of course my vocab still wasn't up to an unassisted reading). This was very exciting.

Again, this is a whole additional layer of learning that you will not get from table-Greek books like Mounce, or tables-and-rules books like Mastronarde .

3. Learn By Reading; Lots Of Readings.
RG is not a tables-and-rules book with an expanded Examples section. It is an integrated system of teaching ancient Greek through a graded series of long and progressively complex reading passages. Again, a whole additional layer of learning that you will not get from Mounce or Mastronarde .

4. Attention To Detail
Someone spent a long time getting the big stuff and the little stuff right.
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COMPARING 2008 WITH EARLIER EDITIONS
1. The books are physically bigger, better laid out, with larger type and better fonts--much easier to read. A small thing that makes a big difference.

2. The Grammar has been entirely redone, and is much much better.

3. The Text readings are the same.

4. The vocabulary has been moved from Grammar to Text, which makes the readings much easier. (In the old version you were constantly flipping book to book.)
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COMPARED WITH ATHENAZE
Neither RG or Athenaze is perfect, but the both have lots of simple readings that I find most helpful. I've bought and used both, and would again.

1. Athenaze also has very good readings.

2. Athenaze is slower, with less complex early readings. Athenaze translations are also in a separate, 2d book.

3. Athenaze has NO ANSWERS TO EXERCISES. The current 2003 edition of the Athenaze main text has exercises, but the workbook with the exercise answers was created but apparently never released. For me this is the TIE BREAKER. RGs exercises are very hard, but very useful. If you ace the exercises, you understood the material. If you didn't you didn't.

The quick answer to the question of whether the updated text is worth it is yes. They've made a number of important changes (e.g. printing declensions top to bottom rather than side to side, which may sound trivial but wasn't) and backing away slightly from the "just letting it wash over you" approach; they now specify particular things, like verb conjugations, that you should know by heart at various points along the way.

I used the old Reading Greek for a few years when I first started teaching in college. There are lots of things I liked about it, and lots of things (still) I would change. The basic practical problem is that there is simply too much Greek reading. I know it seems perverse to complain about that, but the fact is that there's really only time in class to cover about half the reading if you're going to introduce or explain grammar, to say nothing of tangential cultural and literary issues.

Another problem is that their proposed schedule (given at the beginning of each unit) is unrealistic (at least if you're asking students to memorize as well as read the Greek) and assumes a longer academic year than we have in the US.

On top of that they have retained the switch, 3/4 of the way through the course, to speech about Neaira. I understand the cultural fascination, the insights into the role of women, etc., but the fact of the matter is that Greek oratory simply gets you down, at least in a first year course. The readings up to that point, based on comedy, are by contrast wonderful; the main reason in fact that I'm considering the book again.

But it doesn't seem to fit the needs of college teaching in America as well as I had hoped, and I'm simply not sure yet if the benefits oughtweigh the problems. It would be interesting to see posts from people who have used it (new or old) successfully.

I should say, by the way, that for teaching oneself Greek privately I would recommend these books unreservedly; especially if you can get hold of the old tape with the introduction to the sounds of Greek and cheerful readings of the texts by Cambridge undergraduates. Totally British, rather than Greek, but gives you as sense of how alive the language can be.

After struggling with another text, I purchased the two updated JACT books in the Reading Greek course: "Grammar and Exercises", and "Text and Vocabulary". Whereas before I made little progress, I began reading basic sentences the first day with Reading Greek. I am only a beginner, mind, so I can't compare the various books on the market, but I can say that I won't need to buy any other classical Greek language books until I've finished these. I highly recommend them.

I bought these for myself and my teenage children. I have several Greek beginner books and grammars and this is the one I like the least. My daughter likes likes the ongoing story in the text book, which is fairly interesting, a heap better than learning to read Greek using Xenophon's Anabasis.

Grading is a real chore. The JACT text, exercises and answers are spread out in three different books, which means my work area must be rather large and my setup cumbersome (I need to find heavy paperweights to keep all the books open at the same time).

Vocabulary is confusing because a large list of words is given in every section which you need not memorize, some as word groups, some alone. Appended to the long list is a short list of words for you to memorize, though it is hard to understand why sometimes, because later on they often give the definition again, but sometimes they don't. Remembering which words you are supposed to know is therefore more difficult, as is remembering where the definitions are because everything is so spread out. Review is also more difficult because of this scheme.

Also, the small Greek font in the exercises is hard for my old eyes to read. And I especially dislike the number and letter system for the exercises. It's the most confusing ever devised; I've never seen anything like it.

On the plus side, the explanations and tables in the grammar book are pretty good.

The fourth book, the one about Greek history and culture, is the most boring I have ever attempted about the ancient Hellenes. It is filled with a ton of facts, all presented as only an academic committee can present them -- dry as toast. Place it by your nightstand as a remedy for insomnia.

(This is my review for all three books in the old version of the course, which I hope people interested in the new version will find helpful)

I recently picked up my copy of the old edition of Reading Greek, and I love the course.
It dives right into reading Greek from the start, and it gives quite lengthy readings. Which I think is an excellent. It means you have to work to get through the readings, but you will definitely pick up some Greek this way. If you're like me you'll find yourself picking up words everywhere, even ones they don't expect you to memorize from the reading.
The amount of vocabulary that they do expect you to memorize from each subsection is very manageable.

The grammar sections are clear and concise. I have not really studied an inflicted language and I still find myself able to grasp what's being explained.

The Independent Study Guide helps give answers to all of the exercises, and also helps explain the readings and grammar in greater detail. And it also gives the translations for said readings.

Overall, I find this an excellent course. I highly recommend self-learners to get all three books in the set though (Texts, Grammar and Study Guide), and also getting the companion book The World of Athens for some historical and cultural background (which is keyed to the texts in the Study guide) and audio cd Speaking Greek is recommended, but not necessary.

Will some public-spirited & knowledgeable person please review this new edition of RG? I have no idea whether I should buy this expensive new set (with the reader) or "An Idependent Study Guide to Reading Greek". What are the pros & cons? And is it really any better than the 1st edition of RG?? Thanks!

I cannot understand why the other 2 parts of this series are available in Kindle versions but this one is not.
Getting impatient waiting for it.