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27 of 29 people found the following review helpful:
4.0 out of 5 stars A good alternative to the "Q" hypothesis.
Wenham's work is, as noted above, thoroughly documented, researched and conducted. And I would go further than the earlier review. If you don't have a working knowledge of Greek, this will probably be too painful for you.

However, I would say it rewards careful reading of the one willing to examine the issue without buying into the current dogmas of NT scholarship. I...

Published on April 16, 2001 by Shawn W. Gillogly

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3.0 out of 5 stars A Vigorous Assault on Conventional Scholarship
Wenham sets out to prove that the Synoptic Gospels were written in the early to mid 40's A.D., a good 20-25 years before the earliest generally-accepted date for Mark. His analysis is thoroughgoing, well-researched, and heavily documented. Unfortunately, his defense of evidence for the early dating lacks the cogency and forcefulness of his attack on the evidence for...
Published on January 12, 2001 by George R Dekle


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27 of 29 people found the following review helpful:
4.0 out of 5 stars A good alternative to the "Q" hypothesis., April 16, 2001
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This review is from: Redating Matthew, Mark and Luke: A Fresh Assault on the Synoptic Problem (Paperback)
Wenham's work is, as noted above, thoroughly documented, researched and conducted. And I would go further than the earlier review. If you don't have a working knowledge of Greek, this will probably be too painful for you.

However, I would say it rewards careful reading of the one willing to examine the issue without buying into the current dogmas of NT scholarship. I did not find him uncritically assuming his own evidence true, rather in several places I recall him saying he would not dogmatically assert either way. The point is to him much of the evidence can be used to support whatever theory one wishes to contrive. "Q" can be made to look reasonable to many, as can Markan priority, if we don't examine the facts behind WHY these works were written.

As to counting Patristic evidence, one could say NT scholarship today dogmatically REJECTS Patristic evidence whenever it doesn't fit their hypothesis. Who's to say that scholars sitting in their offices 2000 years removed automatically have a better concept of the events than 2nd & 3rd century scholars? Am I attacking all NT scholarship? No. But I think it is fair to give the author a reasonable hearing. And I think, after a reasonable hearing, it is not unreasonable to see at least Matthew and Mark written before AD55, and see some measure of MUTUAL dependance between the Gospels.

Neither of these would be fashionable in many NT circles today. But that doesn't mean they are not real possiblities.

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20 of 23 people found the following review helpful:
5.0 out of 5 stars Cheers for Wenham, May 12, 2003
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"polycarp28" (South Elgin, IL United States) - See all my reviews
This review is from: Redating Matthew, Mark and Luke: A Fresh Assault on the Synoptic Problem (Paperback)
Wenham has done a remarkable job of examining the external evidence (the words of the fathers) and the internal evidence (the Gospels themselves) to demonstrate not only the plausability, but the probability of:

1. An early date for the Gospels.
2. The traditional order of Mt, Mk, Lk.
3. The involvement of not only written but oral tradition in Gospel formation.

Critics charge Wenham with relying too heavily on patristic sources. But such charge thus if one relies on the patristics at all in this matter. The critics of the Augustinian order have never satisfactorily explained the origin of the traditional order if a different order is true. In any case, Wenham does solid work in establishing the essential trustworthiness of the patristic sources.

He is perhaps even stronger is his examination of the interrelations between the synoptics as he works through the various synoptic theories and how they fare in terms of how they used or allegedly used each other in their mutual formation.

Wenham believes strongly that oral tradition played a key role in determining the form and the content of each of the Gospels. Despite this, he eschews the idea that they were written in ignorance of each other. He argues dispassionately but forcefully that each successively impacted the ones that followed.

Those who hold variant opinions of the origins of the Gospels do not hold them well until they have positively worked through Wenham's arguments.

I further recommend the writings of B.C. Butler on this topic.

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5 of 6 people found the following review helpful:
5.0 out of 5 stars Provocative and Interesting, August 1, 2009
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This review is from: Redating Matthew, Mark and Luke: A Fresh Assault on the Synoptic Problem (Paperback)
John Wenham's "Redating Matthew, Mark and Luke" weights in on some of the most enduring and vexing questions in literary history - the composition and dating of the synoptic Gospels.

Matthew, Mark and Luke are often referred to as the synoptic Gospels in light of their strong similarity in genre, material and phraseology. Over the centuries many different theories have been formulated to account for these similarities. For instance, in the Nineteenth Century it was widely assumed that access to a common and well developed oral tradition accounted for much of this similarity. The advent of modern literary critical techniques in the Twentieth Century contributed to a shift in opinion, and, currently the majority view of New Testaments scholars support what is known as the Two-Document hypothesis, according to which Mark and Q are posited as primary sources for the authors of Luke and Matthew. Combined with other assumptions, this view results in a rough compositional chronology of Mark (70) Matthew and Luke (75-85).

Wenham challenges the Two-Document hypothesis, arguing for what is known as the Augustinian view - Matthew first, followed by Mark then finally Luke. In making this claim Wenham adopts a holistic approach that combines both internal (literary critical techniques) and external (historic tradition and testimony) evidence. Once his compositional argument is complete Wenham works backwards from Acts (early-mid 60s prior to death of Paul) to posit a radically revised synoptic chronology of Luke (55), Mark (45) and Matthew (40).

Whether or not his theory is ultimately correct, Wenham does valuable work identifying and challenging many of the assumptions that underlie the current New Testament scholarship and positing a credible counter argument. While the book has much strength the examination of historical testimony pertaining to Gospel authorship is particularly worthwhile and illuminating. It has often struck me that contemporary scholarship has been a bit too quick to dismiss ancient testimony in favour of modern literary techniques (as valuable as they are). A balanced view that weights internal and external evidence does indeed seem warranted.

With regard to weaknesses, while overall the text is of a high standard, it is occasionally awkward (font and layout). Additionally, the relatively detailed comparison (for a popular text) of Greek texts, in the early chapters, while necessary may be a bit off-setting for some non-Greek readers. The good news is that these textual comparisons can be skimmed with little loss. And, finally, from a physical standpoint the paperback is a bit stiff - one has the sense it would not hold up well with heavy usage, i.e. as a reference text or library copy.

Overall, this is a provocative, interesting and well researched work which warrants serious consideration. I highly recommend it for all students of New Testament history. Readers that enjoy this book may find J.A.T. Robinson's "Redating the New Testament" which takes a similar argument applied to the New Testament in general worth a read.

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10 of 14 people found the following review helpful:
5.0 out of 5 stars Will make you doubt current biblical scholarship, February 11, 2005
This review is from: Redating Matthew, Mark and Luke: A Fresh Assault on the Synoptic Problem (Paperback)
Terrific book. Wenham clashes with modern theories about the bible, mostly by exploring early texts and studying verbal independence among the synoptic gospels. His arguments are impressive. In particular, he insists that the synoptics were all written before 70 AD. He points out, for example, that Luke tells us of the fullfilment of Agabus' prophecy of worldwide fame (Acts 11:28). Yet Luke fails to mention the fall of Jerusalem and the destruction of the temple, which so clearly fullfilled Jesus' prophecy about the temple.
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2 of 3 people found the following review helpful:
4.0 out of 5 stars Don't forget dating of Acts, January 1, 2010
This review is from: Redating Matthew, Mark and Luke: A Fresh Assault on the Synoptic Problem (Paperback)
Some good and helpful reviews above. Having now read the book, I would only add:

1. look at the evidence for dating Acts at c. 62; this means Luke and Mark must be earlier. See Hemer, Acts and Hellenistic History.
2. read in conjunction with Bauckham on 'Jesus and his Eyewitnesses' - which, like Wenham, also places a lot of weight on ancient and patristic testimonies.

Maybe in a few years' time we'll see a whole new-old paradigm in Gospel studies. Burn your copy of Q now!
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13 of 23 people found the following review helpful:
3.0 out of 5 stars A Vigorous Assault on Conventional Scholarship, January 12, 2001
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George R Dekle "Bob Dekle" (Lake City, FL United States) - See all my reviews
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This review is from: Redating Matthew, Mark and Luke: A Fresh Assault on the Synoptic Problem (Paperback)
Wenham sets out to prove that the Synoptic Gospels were written in the early to mid 40's A.D., a good 20-25 years before the earliest generally-accepted date for Mark. His analysis is thoroughgoing, well-researched, and heavily documented. Unfortunately, his defense of evidence for the early dating lacks the cogency and forcefulness of his attack on the evidence for later dating. While Wenham is vociferously dismissive of evidence contrary to his viewpoint, he uncritically accepts evidence supporting his viewpoint. He bedrocks his early dating on a two pronged analysis: 1. Dismissal of the documentary solutions to the Synoptic Problem, and 2. Heavy reliance on the Patristic evidence of authorship. Firstly, the documentary explanations of the Synoptic Problem must be dismissed because if the Gospels were based on earlier documents, they must perforce be later documents. Secondly, from acceptance of the Patristic evidence of authorship, Wenham can infer a very early date for each of the Synoptics. The book makes interesting reading, but it fails to carry the day in establishing such an early date for the Synoptic Gospels.

One caveat: If you can't read Greek, the first half of the book will be rough sailing, as it analyzes many gospel pericopes in Greek. With a little patience you can, however, muddle your way through it.

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3 of 7 people found the following review helpful:
5.0 out of 5 stars Argues for Very Early Dating of the Synoptic Gospels., August 2, 2005
This review is from: Redating Matthew, Mark and Luke: A Fresh Assault on the Synoptic Problem (Paperback)
This book will make you doubt everything you think you know about the dating of the synoptic gospels. Wenham insists that all three were written before 70 AD. Throughout most of the 20th century, scholars thought these gospels should be dated later. Now there is a strong movement away from that idea.

I should note that this is a book written for scholars, not light reading.
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