What would be Tori Amos return to form? Piano/vocal and obtuse songs, she was never very literally clear but tried to write with a feeling...or did write songs such as that, that covered a variety of human emotional pains, loves, joys and whatever else that comes to pass...don't know what i expect with this release...maybe i expect what i don't expect...was tori amos ever bad?
Her "Night of Hunters" was the first recording I did not love. I think that she peaked on "The Beekeeper" but I hope I'm wrong. I have lowered expectations for "..Geraldines" but I will enjoy hearing her do anything new as I am a very devoted fan. She is an amazingly talented artist and has given much to us over the years.
I'll have to revisit Beekeeper...i loved all her cd immensely up to scarlet's walk...beyond that didn't dislike anything but didn't fully grasp it either...i've seen her everytime she came to my town love to see her live of course.
If you're a Scarlet fan then Beekeeper is probably worth another listen. While it's not (to me at least) as cohesively themed of an album - few are - it shares a good amount in its composition as well as some more progressive turns a la Venus or Choirgirl.
I think American Doll Posse was her last truly GREAT album. Abnormally Attracted to Sin felt almost a bit phoned in--like Tori by numbers. Perhaps the fulfilling of the contract once the passion has gone? I know she was very excited about her classical work, and I didn't hate it, but it didn't really enthuse me that much either. Gold Dust was alright, but I didn't like the production on the vocals--too much close-mic and to dry. Didn't blend as well with the orchestral arrangements. I'm optimistic about this album because it seems like she's coming back to pop/rock because it's where she wants to be again. And the end of all the costumes and wigs makes me feel like this is going to be going back to more of the organic feel of her best years.
LOL, Carlton - The promotions leading into ADP with all the characters, costumes, etc. had me horrified that her "concept albums" concept was finally going too far i.e. over the edge. Then the album dropped and it was incredible. To my greater dismay all of my favorite tracks were "from" just two of the particular "characters" on the album. She hadn't proved me so wrong since the day back whenever I discovered she was more terrifying than Slayer! ;)
Agree with that...it's just that i know some better than others...i think with most artists i really really listen to their 1st albums, then as each album comes out i may like it but not listen to it as good as another...and it has nothing to do with quality just the way some things are...but i do like all of her music...it's not like i feel this album is bad or not good...not the cast at all...i've always tried to catch her love and her shows were always great, tori is probably one of the better live performers out there today.
I was one never to think I'd find her work unlikable, but the past few albums I had to force the love. I'm happy to support her career, but anymore I'm buying the album and giving it a handful of spins. I used to devour her music, used to feel so shaken by it that I had to listen again and again. She can't have used up all her best stuff, it would be too cruel to Tori and her fans. So I am wildly optimistic that Geraldines is going to shake me again. But honey, one more freak show face lift and I am pulling out for good. I didn't sign on for Jocelyn Wildenstein wailing Cornflake Girl.
i listened to her last album/cd last night and although i couldn't grasp it all entirely i did like the piano small chamber, the classical/tori won't say pop tori is her own music...i like the idea although i know it all too well because i saw her concert last year with that arrangement and i loved the concert~
I hate to say it but her best work remains "Little Earthquakes". I think her last really good work was 'To Venus and Back". For me, everything following that has ben hit/miss. Guess we'll see..........
Some Tori works take a little longer to grow on me, but I usually end up adoring all but a few songs. I skip over fewer of her songs than I do even with the Beatles, my childhood favorites. As a contemporary just a few years Tori's senior, I understand some of her more experimental works. There is something about reaching mid-life that makes women (men, too, in different ways) want to branch out, take more risks, etc. Our hormones are going a bit mad, etc., and it makes us question all sorts of things. My musical tastes are extremely eclectic, but I most value originality and virtuosity. Tori possesses both, so I'm willing to take any musical journey with her. Of all her works, I listen to Strange Little Girls and Night of Hunters least often, which is not to say they don't both have their merits. I often think we must guard against expecting our beloved musicians to keep producing similar material; they wouldn't be very good artists if they kept playing it safe. Though someone said they found Abnormally Attracted to Sin "phoned in," I still find myself loving many of the songs on there. When I think of the Auto-tuned garbage produced by all too many women performers (most of them pole-dancing, cheap tarts pretending to be divas), I'll take talented women such as Tori, Kate Bush, Suzanne Vega, Joan Baez, Annie Haslam, et. al. over the drivel produced by twits such as Beyonce or Miley Cyrus any day of the week.
I think it's combo of reasons why people/fans like some of her albums better than others as some just pertain to them more...either they were the albums that they listened to alot growing up or where the 1st albums and they always seem more magical as time drags on...but i totally agree with your accessment Terrier Girl of Tori Amos all her work has validness and reasons to have it...i wouldn't give up any of her albums or concert albums for very long...eg if someone said i'd give you 20$ for little earthquakes i'd give it to him and then go get another one...Suzanne Vega i like alot too...Joan Baez i like for her 60s work and 70s don't know her work of lately but i do see her in concert when she comes to town...annie haslam i never even heard of but i'm sure she's good based on your other selections you have good taste.
A true "return to form" for Tori would be a return to more coherent songs like the stuff she did prior to Scarlett's Walk. I don't expect that to ever happen, though I would gladly welcome an album that moves away from what Night of Hunters did.
I feel the same way. AATS just fell flat for me. I have tried many times to listen to it and I get bored a few songs in. There is only about 3 or 4 songs that I really like. I am very excited about the release.
Haha. I remember when info on ADP first started to come out. Saying she was working with four women, two blondes, a brunette and a fellow redhead. Then a few months later we found out they were all her in wigs. LOL
Wow! Thanks, Poet of yesterday, for the lovely compliments and thoughtful response. I completely agree with you. JB became a bit poppy for awhile, but by the late 80s/early 90s, she discovered some great songwriters. Check out Play Me Backwards, Gone from Danger, and Dark Chords on a Big Guitar, as well as some others from that period. We saw Baez at Tanglewood last summer with just her son Gabriel on percussion and a young, multi-threat musician on violins and keyboards. They mostly played JB's more folky material; she sounded absolutely amazing in terms of voice and musicianship. Annie Haslam possesses the most incredible voice I've ever heard. Operatically trained with a multi-octave range, she has spent much of her career working with Renaissance, a classically influenced 60s-present (with gaps) progressive rock band. They've had many changes of personnel over the decades, including the much too early death of one their core members/songwriters, Michael Dunford, (just months after their main lyricist, Betty Thatcher's equally early death) nearly two years ago, just as their next album was getting close to release. I'd recommend trying Renaissance chronologically. They had trouble with the transition to punk, etc. in the 80s, so they lost their recording contract. They tried "updating" their sound, but with little success. I didn't have a problem with those works, though they differ from classic Renaissance, but many of their other fans were less than pleased. Annie made an excellent solo album in the mid-late 70s with then-boyfriend Roy Wood, called Annie in Wonderland. Jon Camp, still the bassist with Renaissance at the time, also wrote and played on some of the tracks. She has released other solo material, though I find some of it a bit poppish for my tastes. See how you feel by sampling some of those tracks. She did great renditions of Genesis' Ripples for a tribute album, as well as the Beatles' She's Leaving Home. Annie is also an intriguing painter, so her website is well worth a visit. Hope you come to love her music as much as I do.
Just saw your question about Tori and her piano. I do still love that part of her work, while also respecting her need to experiment, especially with the concept works. We saw some of Tori's stripped down pieces during the two concerts we attended; those moments are simply sublime. I'm not sure we're meant to dwell in the sublime all the time, or it wouldn't be sublime. I also straddle two (probably more) worlds: academia and historical fiction, with some extra design/creative endeavors on the side, so I completely respect Tori's compulsion to do all the concept projects. The sonic novel idea really worked for me. After all, one of her dearest friends writes graphic novels, as well as many other types of fiction, including comic books. It's no accident they're drawn to each other and each other's work; both are incredibly multi-faceted and intellectually curious, just as I and some of my friends have always been. I have so many equally talented friends who don't like change all that much; they even feel a bit threatened by it. Some of us are just restless spirits; we have theories, projects, hunches, etc. we just have to pursue. I understand the need to enjoy the ever elusive "return to form," but isn't that why we have recording devices?
Terrier Girl funny we probably saw the same tours of Baez and Amos...and I agree with that we can enjoy certain periods of an artist or Tori Amos and I used to say we need to hear it all the loud the soft the good and bad to enjoy the work of an artist...i won't say Tori was ever bad and the reason i like her is her songs made me feel one way or another, Tori also revealed alot and I wondered how she was able to sing those in public which makes her truly a great artist...i think we all agree with that here and most posters here...we may prefer some periods by her over others but we all agree a great artist...Baez i was thinking of getting some of those you mentioned and since you have her stuff and recommend the later one's which interest me because they were reissued with outtakes and a concert on another...heartfelt songs/music is where it's all at...i want to feel something when i listen to music i just don't want to hear noise or just mere sounds...i'm amazed how any artist can continue to write on and on...personally i wrote about 20 songs was going around singing them at open mics then the songs just stopped coming...a tragedy hit me to a small degree but it stopped any songs being written...Tori keeps them coming and i definitely admire her ability and creativity that's endless...i know she had really strong foundation in music i think Tori went to a musical college or school where she may have been the youngest to be accepted in the program and her father was deep in a church of some kind so she has a really strong musical background...mine wasn't that deep so it came and went...i was doing good i played for many as 200 people which is probably a joke for most but 200 isn't 20 either...i admire artists who can make you feel...baez didn't write many songs but her songs that she performs are heartfelt too.
Do I understand correctly that Tori's new album is just her and piano?
I am a fan from the first hour, but I am NOT a "Tori is goddess, however mediocre her music" type of fan. Keeping in mind that music tastes are subjective, for me Tori's last great album was Scarlett's Walk from 2002. All but one of the albums since then have been overindulgent/overly long/not nearly catchy enough/badly in need of tighter production. The lone exception in that streak for me is "Midwinter Graces". So with that one exception aside, I was always hoping for a "return to form", but each time I felt let down. My expectations for any new Tori album at this point are extremely low.
Incidentally, my favorite Tori album by far is "To Venus and Back".
At this point for me, Tori is best experienced not on CD but in concert. And with backing from Matt on drums and Jon on bass.