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Thought Provoking, December 26, 2003
This review is from: Satan & the Problem of Evil: Constructing a Trinitarian Warfare Theodicy (Paperback)
As a pastor and student of theology, I have leaned more on the Calvinist side of the fence in regards to the free will/sovereignty debate. I understand the implications of different views on God's foreknowledge. My position has always been that much of this issue is mystery and we as finite beings will never fully understand how we can have the experience and responsibility of freedom and yet be created by a God who is omniscient and omnipotent.
The reason, though, that I have always leaned on the Calvinist side is that Reformed theologians always seemed more consistent and cogent in their thoughts. 'Arminian' theology always seemed weak to me. It seemed like it took a middle ground that never cleared up the logical confusion of human freedom and divine foreknowledge. Of course, strict Reformed theology never cleared it up either. It was just comfortable with the logical conclusion that God chooses some to be objects of eternal wrath for His own glory, as well as with the problem of evil in this age. It is honest, but it's honest conclusion does not line up with the God of love who wills that all men be saved. But due to the weakness of Arminian scholarship, I accepted most of classic Calvinism (except for limited atonement) and chalked my confusion up to mystery.
Gregory Boyd's two-fold work in God at War and Satan & the Problem of Evil is the first that I have read from 'the other side' that has provoked me to much thought. I have never been 'open' to openness theology (and have thus never read anything from this stream until now) because of its association with process theology, but after reading Boyd's work I see that openness is not an embracing of process thought. Though I do not agree with everything Boyd has written, his understanding of & respect for Scripture are definitely within the bounds of evangelicalism (regardless of what other reviewers on this site have written- these reviews smack of hyper-Calvinists who think that anyone who is not a strict 5 point Calvinist is a heretic!) The problem of evil and an honest, biblical understanding of foreknowledge are too large of issues to be settled in one book, but this volume has made me think about openness thought in a new light. I recommend it to anyone who is delving into these deep things regarding God's foreknowledge and our freedom & responsibility as His creatures. All glory to Him!
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36 of 38 people found the following review helpful:
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Open View not the Major Point, May 24, 2006
This review is from: Satan & the Problem of Evil: Constructing a Trinitarian Warfare Theodicy (Paperback)
It is true that the focus of the book is anti-Augustinian in its emphasis, but there is no reason any Armenianist should have a problem with the book's central thesis. The author argues that Augustine's emphasis on God's will being the overriding factor in all that happens logically led to a de-emphasis of the importance of the forces of evil (since if nothing that happens except as God's will, the evil forces become as puppets in his hand to accomplish His will). Boyd argues that the emphasis of the early Christians, and of Scripture, is on their being an actual battle between good and evil. This is the central thesis of the book. The Open view stuff is a sideline, which Boyd points out several times in the book is not necessary in order to hold to the central premis of the book. I'm mentioning this because it seems to me that there are reviewers who have gotten hung up on this issue (i.e. the Open View issue).
I really liked the book a lot. It supported exhaustively the concept of warfare in Scripture, from virtually every book in Scripture. Seeing the problem of evil as one where what happens is not necessarily God's will, but the result of those opposed to His will, has profound practical applications.
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22 of 23 people found the following review helpful:
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Well done, March 28, 2006
This review is from: Satan & the Problem of Evil: Constructing a Trinitarian Warfare Theodicy (Paperback)
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It's been a long time since I've been here. I read my review below with both amusement and slight embarrassment. I remember being irked the day I wrote it, and I must apologize for it's tone. It was not the most Christian way to go about writing.
However, I do stand by the central point I was making. Disagreement is fine, but avoid making accusations. I must disagree with a following reviewer about preconceptions. I was merely pointing out that many people come to read Boyd with the purpose of striking him down; I was simply advising the readers to avoid this purpose and to examine their own background. Obviously, reading a book with an empty mind is both impossible and irresponsible, but when we evaluate our own influences we can better handle debates such as this one. The reviewer's logic is circular about Boyd; we all have outside philosophical influences, "liberal" or "conservative," and he seemingly thinks that the label of conservative automatically entails correctness. Any objective person will say that Augustine had influences from Hellenistic philosophy; this does not automatically mean that his biblical interpretations are illegitimate. Likewise, Boyd, like all of us, has influences from Harthorne (I think "indoctrinate" is highly inaccurate), but this does not mean he is incorrect all of a sudden. To argue this way borderlines arrogance, for it assumes that "those" people don't have philosophical influences as others. The very term Calminian is curious as well; obviously, both Arminians are Calvinists are concerned about the Bible and differ on interpretation; saying that they would be "Calminian" if they truly were wholly Scriptural is, again, somewhat arrogant. I disagree with Calvinists, but I have no doubt that they are concerned with the Bible and I would not question that.
To the unfortunate reviewer with the bad experience with Boyd, I must say that I'm sorry. I do not know the guy personally. However, I will say that to be careful with accusations of him not being a "true" Christian. Boyd is not perfect, nor are the members of church. All Christians have acted un-Christian at some point of their lives; thank goodness God will forgive such errors. If you are correct that Boyd is un-Christian and an incurable hypocrite, then I know I'm in trouble because I have acted unloving many times before (as my post below indicates). Leave final judgment to God.
Back to the book. I highly recommend it. Is Boyd perfect? No. Does he have outside philosophical influences? Yes, as we all do. Does he love God and does he care about the Bible? For what I can see, yes he does. If you disagree, please treat him as a Christian brother regardless.
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Gregory Boyd has obviously become quite a controversial figure. However, this is probably more due to, quite frankly, many Christians' arrogance and alarm over hearing something different than they grew up with.
I've always been annoyed with people throwing around heretic labels and writing with a clear axe to grind. Obviously, nobody is forced to agree with Boyd on every point, but if you read this man's work, you know that he has nothing but respect for the Bible and in general his life and views land him squarely within conservative evangelical Christianity, contrary to what many reviewers would like us to believe. Boyd's book refuting the Jesus Seminar is a favorite among evangelicals.
Wow. Somebody disagrees on a doctrinal point. What a crisis. This issue is not nearly as threatening to the biblical concepts of God's majesty and love than people are treating it.
I've always been remarkably unimpressed with Calvinism due to its arrogance in interpreting Scripture and its curious desire to attribute every single detail, including evil, to "God's plan." Boyd does a good job in exposing many flaws of Calvinism, and Christians, regardless if they agree completely or not, should definitely be open to this criticism.
To me, it does sound like the Calvinists here are no different than the ones I have met personally. Except for arguing, rightly, in a civil manner that is seeking to correct mistakes, they would rather accuse of intentionally screwing up doctrine. For instance, it's NOT legitimate to accuse an Arminian for devaluing God's sovereignty on purpose; obviously, a Christian would not be an Arminian if he thought so. Calvinists throw a fit, likewise, when Arminians accuse them of making God morally ambiguous. If Calvinists do not like people accusing them right off the bat of jeopardizing a central attribute of God, then they should not do the same.
To the reader, I'll tell you this much: Boyd departs from some traditional UNDERSTANDING of God's attributes, but he in no way tries to throw any out the window. Disagree with him, but do NOT throw a temper tantrum just because he has a doctrinal difference. You're pathetic if you do. Ignore these accusations of Boyd being a souped-up liberal heretic; Boyd would defend to the death the historicity of Jesus and the saving power of his death and resurrection.
Oooooo... he's from Princeton and Yale. He must be a naughty New Age psycho in disguise. Please, people... if anything, that shows Boyd is intelligent and the he has a wide range of experiences from different areas, unlike many pastors who simply grow up glued into their ultraconservative surroundings.
Read this book. Try to read it without too many preconceptions, and you'll appreciate its effort and thought-provoking material, even though you disagree with some areas (as I do).
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