Sega Saturn System - Video Game Console

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• ASIN: B00005CDR8
• Media: Video Game
• Average Customer Review: 4.3 out of 5 stars  See all reviews (47 customer reviews)
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• Discontinued by manufacturer: Yes

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Sega Saturn Controller: 3D Control Pad. Precision-engineered to intensify the 3D-gaming experience, the Sega Saturn 3D Control Pad delivers the ultimate in smooth and dynamic control. A revolutionary analog thumb pad reacts to your every impulse and brings you the new standard in game control. Features: Spatially engineered for dynamic 3D gameplay Ergonomic design provides optimum control and precise maneuvering Use the analog thumb pad for unsurpassed 3D gameplay - or use the mode switch to select standard digital control Pulse-sensitive analog thumb pad enables precise movement at breathtaking speeds Standard D-pad/six button set-up allows compatibility with most Sega Saturn games Official Sega product

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29 of 29 people found the following review helpful:

4.0 out of 5 stars Vastly underrated and overlooked system, July 14, 2002

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N. Durham "Big Evil" (Philadelphia, PA) - See all my reviews
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The Sega Saturn achieved much success overseas, but it never really took in America thanks to Sony's Playstation. Originally designed as a replacement for the aging Sega Genesis, the Saturn was to be designed to be the ultimate 2-D system, that was until Sega learned of Sony's plans. However, there are a lot of good qualities about the Saturn: the game library features over 300 games, the Saturn system itself is the most trouble free system ever made, the 3-D Analog controler (which was an early prototype of the Dreamcast controler) was the best on the market, the best conversions of 2-D games are on the Saturn...it was the first system to introduce online play... and it's library of RPG's is fantastic. All in all, the Saturn may have not been the best system, but it was pretty good...

35 of 38 people found the following review helpful:

5.0 out of 5 stars The Greatest Game Console of All Time!, April 3, 2003

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Strategos "The Guardian of Time" (In Space above Planet Earth) - See all my reviews
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I own or have owned many game systems. Nintendo, Super Nintendo, Genesis, Playstation, Game Gear, Nomad, and now Gamecube and PS2. But My two favorite systems are undoubtedly the Dreamcast and the Saturn. And my favorite of the two is undoubtedly the Saturn.

The saturn was a well-built machine. Despite its internal workings being less than perfect in some ways (it was designed to work with squares rather than triangles when rendering, and had multiple processors sharing the main load) it also had some surprisingly good ideas (like built in memory for game saves and an expansion slot for memory upgrades and save backups). But what really impressed me about the hardware is the fact that even though the machine has been extinct for years, every one that I've encountered works perfectly. Now I'm sure that some of them just plain gave out, or were dropped or something. But I have never had a Saturn not load a game. I have never seen a Saturn freeze up or crash. I have never seen one stutter while playing movies. And my playstation started doing those things years ago (I finally had to get rid of it and pay for a replacement). Also worthy of mention is the fact that the original saturn controller is what I consider to be the finest designed controller in all of video game history. I fits my hand PERFECTLY. Playing games like Panzer Dragoon II, or Rayman with this controller is simply amazing. And speaking of Panzer Dragoon II...

The Saturn had what I consider to be the greatest selection of games ever. The best version of Rayman (my favorite side-scrolling game ever) is on the Saturn. Radiant Silvergun (what many consider to be the best shooter ever) is for Import Saturn. Nights into Dreams (the greatest game Sonic Team ever made) is for Saturn. And what about Sega Rally (quite possibly the greatest rally racing game ever)? Truly, when you take the imports into consideration, the Saturn had an outstanding selection of games. Whatever you want, you can get. Want fighting games? Strategy games? Side-scrollers? Arcade racing? RPGs? The Saturn delivers. Big Time.

The Sega Saturn is truly a system for the hardcore. And many games for it can be had for as little as three or four dollars. And with the system itself running about $30.00 or thereabouts for one in good shape, everyone should have one. Now if only the Price of the import games would drop a little on ebay...

30 of 32 people found the following review helpful:

5.0 out of 5 stars A great game system marred only by public opinion, August 14, 2006

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sheath "www.gamepilgrimage.com" - See all my reviews

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This review is from: Sega Saturn System - Video Game Console (Video Game)

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Performance "gap"

Another popular theory on why the Saturn failed to capture the masses' interests is that it didn't have comparable 3D performance to the PS1. The Saturn, is significantly more powerful than the PS1 in 2D capabilities, but it is also able to run at higher resolutions (640x224, 704x480), and capable of higher resolution and color count textures with less effort. The Saturn is more capable of these things because it has 66% more Video RAM. On the Saturn, as is true on any hardware, more RAM allows for higher color, higher resolution texture mapping, and higher screen resolution. Combine this with the specs directly from Sega and Sony's web pages, showing that both systems were capable of similar polygon performance, shows clearly that the Saturn was no slouch in the 3D department either.

The catch is that Sega achieved comparable polygonal performance with the Saturn by including more processors in the Saturn, which made development more difficult at first than it would be on the more simple PS1. In addition to having better developer support from Sony than Sega gave for the Saturn, and better more mature development kits, the PS1 also had built in special effects in the form of transparency and gouraud shading. This allowed the PS1 to generate lightsourcing and transparent special effects or polygons with a minimum hit to the system's polygon performance. Since the Saturn had to generate these effects through sheer processing muscle, developers of Saturn games usually had to lower the resolution to 320x224 in order to program effects similar to those on the Playstation. What this all means is that because the PS1 could just "turn on" light sourcing and transparency, the effects were achieved with uniform results across any game that used them, while the same effects on the Saturn were subject to the quality of the code, written by each individual developer, to display it.

Uniformity is a good thing, the PS1 had that over the Saturn because of its development kits and simple but effective design. Even though some developers were able to achieve comparable or even unique effects in Saturn games, because other games failed to have comparable effects, and some developers chose to release incomplete, buggy, and unoptimized games, the Saturn gained the reputation of not being as "good at" 3D as the Playstation was.

Perception gap

On a side note, but on the topic of public perception and system performance, the specs listed here for the PS1 are taken directly from the Sony web page. Sony had claimed for 5 years that the PS1 could display 500,000 texture mapped gouraud shaded or 1.5 million flat shaded polygons per second (22 + 23), which was never true. Contrast this with the fact that Sega in particular, while being well known for hyping their systems as the "next level" or having "High definition graphics", or even their games as being "arcade perfect", has never falsified their system specs on any console. This fact didn't stop the media from trying to undermine their marketing by making claims that Sega was exaggerating their specs. The same media zenes never questioned Sony's announced specs for either of their consoles, even though both of Sony's system's pre-launch specs were clearly massively exaggerated(24).

In 1995, Developers were happy to achieve 80-90,000 polygons per second in game (27), and gouraud shading those polygons meant only 16-colors or less on the texture maps. Yet, during the same time period game magazines, and developers like Electronic Arts, were publicizing (28) that the Saturn could only do 60,000 polygons per second while the PS1 could do 360,000. The former number was the actual performance of the launch Saturn title Daytona, the later was a theoretical number that the PS1 never achieved. It is, however, these numbers that are emblazoned on the minds of gamers and magazine editors to this day. It is impossible to say how much this false public perception of the performance differences affected the outcome of the 32-bit system wars, but it is undeniable that it was extremely influential.

"Just a 2D system"

Another possible cause for the idea that the Saturn was primarily a 2D game system with moderate 3D capabilities is that there are quite a few 2D games that were made for it, in comparison to the PS1's library. Sony forced developers to make PS1 games exclusively 3D until some years after the Playstation's release. Combine the library differences with a couple of Industry rumors about the President of Sega of Japan deciding the architecture of the Saturn over a golf game with a buddy from Hitachi, and the same President "scrambling" to revamp the Saturn's 3D capabilities immediately after Sony publicized the PS1's specs (mind you, the 500k/1million specs, not the real ones) and you have a theory run wild with speculation that proponents will defend to their deaths. Because of this, and the fact that 3D gaming caught on and completely replaced 2D gaming in this generation, Sony has been credited as the company to bring gaming into 3D.

Pioneering the next generation...

A similar thing happened with a different type of gaming only a couple of years before. Sega released the Sega CD to allow gamers to experience Laserdisc style FMV adventures in the home at typical console prices. Sega even aided Digital Pictures, a company that had experimented with FMV games using VCRs in the 80's, in porting over most of its titles to the Sega CD. The problem most often cited for why this type of game didn't take off is that it was too early. The Sega CD's color palette caused FMV to look murky or grainy. While higher color video was possible later in its life, when Cinepak and Truvideo were written, it was too late in the public and media's mind. With the Sega CD's and FMV style gaming's lack of success behind them, Sega did choose to make the Saturn the ultimate 2D hardware, and to focus heavily on 2D gaming for the Saturn because of it.

Nobody could have predicted that rudimentary 3D games, with graphics that warp, textures that block up when they approach the screen, and color count per texture comparable to the 8-bit NES's color palette, would have completely replaced 2D games with higher color counts, greater animation, and all around better aesthetic value. It wasn't until the Dreamcast and PS2 that 3D games contained a comparable image quality to this generation's 2D games, and 2D games had been the entire video game market since its conception.

Some of the pioneers of polygonal 3D video games in the arcades and on consoles were Atari, with Stun Runner, Hard Drivin' and Race Drivin', Sega with the first polygonal 3D Fighter, Virtua Fighter, Virtua Racing, Virtua Fighter 2, Daytona, Sega Rally, Virtual On, and Virtua Cop in the arcades and at home, and Namco with their Ridge Racer and Tekken series. In addition to those games, LHX Attack Chopper was released by EA on the Genesis in 1992, and StarFox among lesser 3D titles for the SFX chip was released by Nintendo and designed by Argonaught on the SNES in 1993. Sony Imagesoft was the only Sony Videogame department at the time, and they focused primarily on FMV for the Sega CD, and 2D games like Hook.

Relevant Facts and Background

In 1995, Sega was the darling of the Industry and the company most scrutinized by politicians and the media. By Summer of 1998 Sega's winning streak was officially over. In three short years, Sega had turned over its American office's management, which had been present since 1990 and responsible for the success of the Sega Genesis. Sega of America had been placed under direct management by its Japanese office, and given a new figurehead, Bernie Stolar. Bernie Stolar proceeded to aggravate what few loyal developers Sega had in the West, losing Working Designs over a simple Entertainment Expo booth dispute. He was also responsible for the slowing the flow of Japanese RPGs and other localizations to a trickle, and eventually canceling the system over a year before Sega's launch of the Dreamcast in September of 1999. Stolar has also gone on record stating his opinion of the Saturn and its library in a simple but familiar phrase, "it did not have very good games" (1, 5). With a friend like that, the Saturn didn't need any enemies.

Meanwhile, also in 1995 a new company was about to join the fray of game console manufacturers in the United States. This company had worked closely with the former management of Sega of America, with whom they had developed "criteria for what the next optical platform ought to be" (2). When this occurred, prior to 1992, this company had no hardware division for video games and had only one small publishing house responsible for multiplatform ports and FMV titles on the Sega CD like Sewer Shark. When Sega of Japan rejected their plans, they began work on a CD-ROM upgrade for the Super Nintendo (3). Nintendo unceremoniously dumped them at a major Entertainment Expo, announcing that Phillips would instead develop their add-on. Months later this company announced a stand alone system with 3D specs that shocked the Industry, although they were bloated in comparison to the system's actual capabilities (4). This system became the Playstation, and Sony, it's manufacturer, dominated the worldwide markets for over a decade. More can be said on how and why this happened, but the reason was not because of the Playstation's absolute superiority in hardware or software.

Conclusions

Popular opinions and media generated "history" have omitted relevant facts in regard to this generation. The Saturn and Playstation were released within a few months of one another, were at the same price as one another by the... Read more ›