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Sense and Goodness Without God: A Defense of Metaphysical Naturalism

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Richard Carrier is a graduate student of history (M.Phil Columbia) and a prolific essayist, publishing primarily on the well-known secular website infidels.org. In this book he surveys all that he has come to know and believe, and how he came to know or believe it. Reading it is like being given a guided tour, by a genial and charming host, through a large and well-furnished mansion of the mind.

I purchased "Sense & Goodness Without God" because of an interest in secular ethics. I was disappointed on that account to find that Carrier's discussion of morality -- although it is interesting and enlightening -- occupies only a small part of the book. The many other topics covered justified my purchase, but in order to keep others from being mislead by the title, here is a key quote from the introduction:

"This book surveys my philosophy of life, my 'worldview' ... I build and defend a complete worldview by covering every fundamental subject -- from knowledge to art, from metaphysics to morality, from theology to politics."

That Carrier even owns a complete, personal worldview makes him a rare bird. He rightly faults most of us for spending next to no time thinking through what we know and believe; and for being too willing to settle for the "factory-made" philosophies dispensed under the name of Religion, instead of taking the time to understand the big ideas for ourselves. In effect, this book is his challenge to his contemporaries: agree with me or not, he seems to say, these are topics you need to think through on your own -- and here is how to do it.

You might wonder if any writer can do justice to such a smorgasbord of ideas. Carrier does very well; he is exceptionally well-read, has thought hard on these issues, and clearly explains both the context and his own position on each point. Just the same, this is a survey, and there is much, much more to be said and thought about any of the topics he covers.

Also, Carrier does what so many other secular writers do: spends many, many paragraphs refuting religious ideas and rebutting the Christian philosophers who would deny legitimacy to his positions. The section on Morality, for example, is almost entirely cast as a point-by-point refutation of positions taken by Christian apologist J.P. Moreland. These one-sided debates eat up pages that I would far rather have seen devoted to more detailed exposition of Carrier's own thoughts. Those thoughts are generally sane, well-grounded, generous and reasonable, sometimes surprising, and always worth spending time with.

Carrier makes a comprehensive case for metaphysical naturalism by doing what few others do: state a position, explain how he himself arrived at the position, and why you should to. While there is some playful religion-bashing going on in certain chapters, he cites his sources and steers clear of the sophistry. While the book is touted as ready for mass consumption, it really is for college-educated readers who can deal with some dense ideas. He begins with a breakdown of his own mode of philosophy and methodology that may go right over the heads of those not familiar with philosophical concepts. But this is all necessary to really understand where Carrier is coming from; it is what justifies his position. You know when he's doing a good job when he makes statements that you don't necessarily agree with but, by defining his philosophy, methodology, logic, and reasoning, the case is airtight.

This book is by no means perfect; Carrier is a bit self-indulgent at times. But the framework of his big arguments and refutations are flawless. When I was thinking, "But wait! What about X? How do you account for that?", out of no where, Carrier provides the answer to the begged question. He has a knack for this that adds an aura of authenticity to the work.

If you are a theist who is fearful of the above, then this book is sinful and dangerous. If you are a theist who is interested in broadening your horizons and challenging predispositions, this book is a wonderful place to start.

One reviewer tried to deceive Amazon customers, and when I called him on it, he deleted his review. I'm not going to let him get away with that. His name was Noetzel and he claimed that none of the previous reviews actually review the book. But you can clearly see that was not the case. Just look. He also claimed "there's nothing here you can't glean for free on the internet," but as far as I've been able to tell, the content of this book far exceeds anything I've yet to find on the internet. It even contains stuff I've never found discussed well anywhere. This Noetzel character then implied that Carrier "believes the end of religion will virtually eliminate human conflict." I can't speak for Mr. Carrier's private beliefs. But I read this book, and I don't recall a single moment in it when Carrier claims the end of religion will eliminate all conflict. Indeed, when Noetzel even when so far as to equate jihadists with soccer hooligans, I felt like I was being played.

The real kicker is this: I'm pretty sure there are no more than five or six sentences in the entire 400+ page book that even mention "space exploration" or "the elimination of income taxes." So when this Noetzel character attacked Carrier's book for these obscure passing references, I spied someone who's trying to sandbag sales. I recently read a piece that Carrier wrote online demonstrating how another Christian reviewer egregiously lies about the content of his book, with the evident aim of trying to fool people into not reading it--apparently, because the Christians are running scared now. They can't dismiss the powerful arguments of this book honestly, so all they can do is lie about its contents. Dare I say this Noetzel character was one of them? His quick disappearing act suggests he was.

Buy the book and see for yourself. Trust me. It's excellent, well-written, and more comprehensive than anything I've ever seen on any secular worldview. This is the closest thing to a secular bible I can think of, since it covers everything we should believe and why, right down to morals and philosophy of government. Most of all, it will make you think. Time and again while reading it I caught myself chuckling in agreement or saying to myself "Ah! I hadn't thought of that!" That, to me, is the sign of a good book, especially in philosophy. The worst I can say about it is that it drags a bit in chapter 2, but never again after that.

Since Amazon for some reason isn't including the publisher's information for this book like it does for other books, I went over to the publisher's website and grabbed that stuff...

The following material comes straight from the publisher:

About the Book: If God does not exist, then what does? Is there good and evil, and should we care? How do we know what's true anyway? And can we make any sense of this universe, or our own lives? Sense and Goodness answers all these questions in lavish detail, without complex jargon. A complete worldview is presented and defended, covering every subject from knowledge to art, from metaphysics to morality, from theology to politics. Topics include free will, the nature of the universe, the meaning of life, and much more, arguing from scientific evidence that there is only a physical, natural world without gods or spirits, but that we can still live a life of love, meaning, and joy.

About the Author: Richard Carrier is a philosopher and historian studying ancient science at Columbia University in New York, where he received a Masters degree and a Master of Philosophy in ancient history and is working on his Ph.D. He previously graduated Phi Beta Kappa at UC Berkeley. Mr. Carrier is also a professional writer, teacher, and speaker and translates four languages. His articles have been published in Biology & Philosophy, The History Teacher, German Studies Review, The Skeptical Inquirer, and the Encylopedia of the Ancient World. He is a veteran of the United States Coast Guard and served as Editor in Chief of the Secular Web for several years, where he has long been one of their most frequently read authors.

Free Preview (from page 411, which the publisher has on its website for all to see, so I don't see anything wrong with repeating it here): There is one thing I have tried to make clear throughout this book. Metaphysical Naturalism is the only worldview that is supported by all the evidence of all the sciences, the only one consistent with all human experience, the established truths of history, and reason itself. No other worldview, including theism generally or Evangelical Christianity in particular, is supported by any evidence of any of the sciences. The only remotely plausible exception, `fine tuning', is not very convincing evidence for the divine, and supports no doctrine of salvation (see III.3, "The Nature and Origin of the Universe"). Science doesn't necessarily contradict alternative worldviews, for one can adjust most of them to be compatible with almost any evidence. But no other worldview is directly and substantially supported by any scientific evidence, whereas all scientific evidence so far does support Metaphysical Naturalism, often directly, sometimes substantially. Though naturalism has not yet been proved, it is the best bet going.

Even the facts explained by Big Bang Theory are solely and entirely physical and natural. None are facts about spirits or gods or supernatural entities or powers, and the theory does not include any reference to such things. Insofar as anything is left unexplained by it (such as matters of cosmic order or first cause), there is only humble ignorance. Theories are never scientifically established on what we don't know or can't yet explain, but always and only on what we do know and can explain. To argue that science has not explained something, therefore our explanation (whatever that is) must be correct, is not a scientific argument. Such an argument might be good and persuasive, but not because it is scientific-though it may be well supported by science. This is the distinction between science, as a database of facts established by a methodologically sound empirical inquiry, and metaphysics, a speculative enterprise of interpretation and plausible hypothesis formation. You can reject all such efforts to go beyond established science, rejecting all worldviews, or you can adopt the most probable hypothesis: Metaphysical Naturalism.

The title of this book is "Sense and Goodness without God," because Metaphysical Naturalism is full of sense, and encourages nothing but good. Reason and acute thinking are its very bedrock, and the love of wisdom its main driving force. To be wise and practical is our motto. And this worldview provides adequate, if not strong reasons to devote yourself and your life to high moral ideals, to compassion and integrity in the pursuit of happiness. It is thus a good philosophy-good for you, good for all humankind. And all this without recourse to a god. Though we have found no evidence for any god, and no reason to believe there is one, the sense and goodness of our worldview stands as it is even if there is. It stands on its own terms, on reason and fact.

Like many people, I grew up in a nominally religious household and never really questioned my beliefs until a few years ago. After starting a family, I made the decision to figure out once and for all what I really believed. After many hours of study and thought, I finally ran into Richard Carrier's book. It basically answered all of my nagging questions about the ultimate questions. If you're one of those people that has grown tired of enduring the cognitive dissonance required by traditional faith, I highly recommend this book. It articulates ideas that you may not have the vocabulary or background to express. It also has great references for further reading. Overall, when it comes to understanding what life is about, it has given me some much needed peace.

Richard Carrier has long been a hero to the freethought community and to me personally. He was a Founding Father of the Secular Web and has contributed innumerable outstanding essays and articles to Internet Infidels. So I naturally had very high expectations of this book. Nevertheless, the book exceeded even my highest expectations. You will be very pleased with "Sense and Goodness Without God." You will be pleased, that is, unless you are a Christian or other mystic and expect this book to be full of logical holes. It isn't. The reasoning here is absolutely airtight. Thank you, Richard Carrier, for yet another masterful work!

David Mills
Author of "Atheist Universe"

I have to confess right off the bat that I am a huge fan of Columbia historian Richard Carrier. His essays posted on the Secular Web are some of the best written on a wide range of historical subjects and philosophical topics. His new book, Sense and Goodness Without God is a brilliant addition to an already impressive body of work. Here he takes on the nature of the universe itself and our place in it, and explores the questions all of us have about making sense of morality, existence, and the meaning of life. The range of subjects he covers here is truly astounding, and he delves into them deeply without ever losing his audience with jargon or philosobabble. On top of this, his investigation is informed by a powerful commitment to intellectual honesty, and infused with a rare sense of true love for life.

A remarkable, readable book that I recommend whole-heartedly to anyone interested in the question of finding meaning and joy in life.

Richard Carrier's book is brilliant. I felt as if the blinders I had worn for my entire life were removed. His arguments about the existence of God were absolutely convincing. He puts human life in the proper perspective within the universe. No rational being who reads his discussions of astronomy and evolution could come away believing in god. Less compelling were his arguments for morality without god.

I would have given this book five stars, except that I felt Mr. Carrier needed an editor. While the book is well written and interesting, there is just too much going on. Mr. Carrier goes off on many tangents throughout the book. He spends much time on a discussion of logic before getting into the meat of the book. I found myself skipping around, something I rarely if ever do in a book of this type. As mentioned by another reviewer, he also spends a lot of time refuting arguments by a couple of authors which I found a strange way of presenting his case. Finally, I thought that while doing an excellent job of refuting the standard Christian God, he gave somewhat short shrift to various other theistic philosophies, which I would have like to have had covered in more depth. I would love to see this book condensed and rewritten for a more mainstream popular audience. Atheists have a moral obligation to spread the REAL good news.

However, I do not mean to be hypercritical. Mr. Carrier is one of the more astute philosophers and historians of our age, and I am continually amazed by his ability to cut through the religious BS and logical fallacies that many of us are brought up with. I first saw him interviewed on the movie, The God Who Wasn't There and was extremely impressed by what he said, which led me to hunt down his writings online. I highly recommend this book and look forward to further offerings from him. I also refer readers to his articles on infidels.org.

At last, I'm finding time to sit down and write a review of Richard Carrier's Sense and Goodness Without God. As I mentioned, further parts may follow; this part is focused on general quality over the specific ideas.

Carrier opens with strong punch: "Philosophy is not a word game or hairsplitting contest, nor a grand scheme to rationalize this or that..." He goes in this vein for several pages, looking at how philosophers have failed to live up to their calling, as well as discussing the connection between philosophy and religion. Most of it hits every bit as hard as the first sentence. Carrier explains that the purpose of the book is to lay out his personal philosophy and worldview in a way that nonspecialists can understand. An admirable goal, and Carrier gets off to a good start in the opening section.

For all the promise in the opening chapter, I don't think this book is going to do much to bring philosophy to the masses. The problem is that Carrier has the ability to produce forceful prose, but isn't able to apply that ability consistently. Most of the first half of the book drags. It's understandable without having a background in philosophy, but many without such a background will have trouble seeing why it matters. One problem is a frequent lack of concrete examples. Take his discussion of method: the only kind of example used is the Cartesian Demon. A far more readable discussion of method can be found in "Why I Am Not a Christian," where Carrier gets in far more examples in less space.

About halfway through the book, however, the quality of writing picks up. I found his discussion of the Rain Miracle (in part IV, "What There Isn't") better than the online version. Among other things, in Sense and Goodness Carrier give the case clear larger significance: "we have a legend sprining up just eight years after the fact, when thousands of eyewintesses were surely still alive... despite these seemingly unfavorable conditions, this legend beat out the truth." Likewise, part V "Natural Morality" soars. Among other things, Carrier looks at the reasons given by J. P. Moreland for theists to be moral, and shows that Secular Humanists have equivalent reasons.

Carrier got one other thing right: not using footnotes, but including bibliographies at the end of each section rather than in the back of the book. This is probably the best way to direct readers to further resources on given subjects. In many cases I have not read all the books he cites, but where I have, I can say that Carrier has made excellent choices.

I should emphasize that while this book may not catch on with the general public, the book isn't a waste for not having done so. It would have been nice to see such a book, but that really wasn't Carrier's main purpose. His main purpose was to lay out a coherent worldview, a worthwhile pursuit. He rightly criticizes modern philosophers for having abandoned system building, and does an excellent job of building up his own system. This is a fine book; I share bookjunkys hope that it will be revised in a more accessible version.

Apologies for the brief review, especially since the work deserves far more attention than these words could hope to offer. The clock is a cruel and evil master. :)

Richard Carrier's _Sense and Goodness Without God_ is an excellent, fresh look at what could easily have been a quite tired subject, indeed. Can we be good without God? Yes. (No surprise there.)

This topic is as old and as fleshed-out (or so I thought) as just about anything. The question is almost silly to ask; the answer is almost automatic.

Yet.

From Carrier's initial framing of the question/argument, this book is different. Fresh. Unique. The reader is taken by the hand, pulled from the paved road, and led to an entirely new path. New ideas, new explanations, and an overall great "take" on a classic philosophical discussion.

In all, a new author, an old subject, but *not* a mere restatement, rephrase, rework, rewrite.

And not a "re-read," either!

Richard Carrier's stated aim in "Sense and Goodness" is to articulate his worldview - that is, his beliefs and philosophy of life. In this, we find Carrier's ideal worldview is one that is free from errors of fact or reason. He concludes, quite reasonably, that theists, and none of the world's religions provide a ready-made error-free worldview, so we need to use the tools of logic, philosophy, and science to develop our own personal worldviews. He then goes on to defend his.

This book provides interesting insights into Carrier's personal character (his life, his love of beauty, and his fondness for cats), and into the world in general. His coverage of history, science, religion, ethics, psychology, and politics is outstanding. Yet it is rarely presented at a level of complexity that most college-level readers would struggle with - substantial bibliographies are provided for readers to fact-check or learn more as they desire.

I think this is truely one of the best books I have ever read, yet it stands as a work in progress. Carrier states that our worldviews should be fitted to the facts, and not the other way around. Within the first few pages he invites readers to alert him to any errors in his facts or reasoning and supplies an email address for correspondence. He makes a committment to a worldview that will change in light of the facts, not one that is fixed and dogmatic. Thus, as new facts are discovered, or previously accepted wisdom is modified by new data, his worldview will change. This flexible worldview rests on sound principles (which are outlined in the book) for evaluating evidence.

In a world full of people willing to kill each other over the question of who has the most powerful invisible friend, I can't help but think that the world would be a better place if most of us followed most of the advice this book provides.