Customer Reviews


11 Reviews
5 star:
 (8)
4 star:
 (1)
3 star:
 (2)
2 star:    (0)
1 star:    (0)
 
 
 
 
 
Average Customer Review
Share your thoughts with other customers
Create your own review
 
 
Only search this product's reviews

The most helpful favorable review
The most helpful critical review


23 of 27 people found the following review helpful:
5.0 out of 5 stars A Chorus of Present and Past
I am a big fan of William Manchester, Alison Weir, and David McCullough; historians whose writings, for me, engage the reader by combining depth of research with deftness of narrative. I greatly enjoyed Karl Jacoby's first book, "Crimes against Nature: Squatters, Poachers, Thieves, and the Hidden History of American Conservation", largely for that reason...
Published on December 5, 2008 by Jonathan Brandt

versus
0 of 1 people found the following review helpful:
3.0 out of 5 stars Not "New" Condition
The book rates 5 stars but the condition in which it arrived deserves only one...hence the 3 star review. The book arrived with sticker-glue marks (which were removable with rubbing alcohol,) a badly creased front cover, shelf-wear on the corners and a black remainder slash on the bottom edge. The book is being sold as a bargain book, I realize, but I did not expect it to...
Published 2 months ago by Jennifer Sweeney


‹ Previous | 1 2 | Next ›
Most Helpful First | Newest First

23 of 27 people found the following review helpful:
5.0 out of 5 stars A Chorus of Present and Past, December 5, 2008
By 
I am a big fan of William Manchester, Alison Weir, and David McCullough; historians whose writings, for me, engage the reader by combining depth of research with deftness of narrative. I greatly enjoyed Karl Jacoby's first book, "Crimes against Nature: Squatters, Poachers, Thieves, and the Hidden History of American Conservation", largely for that reason.

"Shadows at Dawn: A Borderlands Massacre and the Violence of History" pivots on a sensational-but-forgotten crime. In this book, Jacoby presents four distinct, often counterpoised narratives. His aim is to give equal voice to each of the four peoples represented by participants at the book's titular event. Not just for that pin-point in time, but for the decades preceding and following it as well.

I think this approach succeeds wonderfully. And it leaves me, at least, fascinated by the fluid relationships among these peoples throughout those times. Their interactions, at once conflicting and intimate, challenge many of the persistent, mainstream notions of settlers and Indians in the Wild West.

There is a subtle, fifth voice in this book, however. And it makes Jacoby's work especially compelling. Alongside the Papago, the Vecino, the Americano, and the Apache; I could hear the Historian - Jacoby himself - conveying his veneration for these peoples and for the historian's calling to curate their memories.
Help other customers find the most helpful reviews 
Was this review helpful to you? Yes No


7 of 8 people found the following review helpful:
5.0 out of 5 stars A brilliant contribution to North American history, February 27, 2009
With this original approach to a single event, tracing its origins and aftermath through the four cultural groups involved, Karl Jacoby joins a small but growing group of younger historians of the North American borderlands who have abandoned the tired formulas of the past, looked at the past with fresh eyes, taking care not to see everything from an Anglo-American perspective, and begun an era of fresh interpretation of very difficult aspects of our common (and sometimes separated) past. To boot, he writes very well. I recommend this to anyone interested in not just the borderlands or the struggles between Indians and others, but to anyone who wants a further understanding of the history of this continent.
Help other customers find the most helpful reviews 
Was this review helpful to you? Yes No


3 of 3 people found the following review helpful:
5.0 out of 5 stars Cross-culture conflict in Arizona, 1870's style, April 13, 2011
For all the apologies and disclaimers at the beginning of the book, about how historians are SUPPOSED to weave together all the threads of the story to make one account, and how historians are NOT SUPPOSED to do what this book does (which is leave those strands separate)... despite all that, this book could not have been done better.

Take a look at one historical event (a massacre of Apaches in Aravaipa Canyon) in the context of four cultures - the Apaches themselves, their traditional enemies the O'odham people, plus the old settlers of northern Mexico that remained on the land after it was purchased by America, and the new American folks.

The historical record is shaky, because the O'odham and the Apache did not consider themselves to be homogenous nation-groups with clear agreement on oral record-keeping. Instead, the scattered and fragmented nature of these Native American peoples led to disjointed accounts. (How Karl Jacoby teased the information out of the scattered oral accounts would be excellent subject matter for another book.) In addition, there are all sorts of overlaps between the heritage of people who nobly led the massacre in order to protect their families and then were elected to public office on the strength of their determination and prestige, while keeping their participation quiet in order to avoid condemnation and sanction. The book also takes into account the give-and-take relationship of the purported peace-keping US military forces in the area.

Reading it, you get the impression that the only way for Progress to come to Arizona was for the native peoples to cease to exist. Whether through assimilation or annihilation or imprisonment on reservations, their way of life was over. Was it better to go quietly and align your people with the newcomers, or was it better to hold out and fight back? In the end, which method gained better results, better territory, and more prosperity?

It is just fascinating. Once again, America faces an enemy that is disbursed and shifting, willing to make partial peace on an individual basis, until peace no longer serves. The Islamic world is a chaotic blend of shifting alliances and individual warlords, and fighting against one or alliance with another will have repercussions that slide through different tribes and bands -- totally unpredictable.

This book is a thinker. There's no single answer to "what happened at the Camp Grant Massacre?"
Help other customers find the most helpful reviews 
Was this review helpful to you? Yes No


2 of 2 people found the following review helpful:
5.0 out of 5 stars Stunning work of history, July 26, 2009
This review is from: Shadows at Dawn: A Borderlands Massacre and the Violence of History (Hardcover)
Karl Jacoby has quickly become one of the great names in history working today. Shadows at Dawn is simply one of the most innovative and brilliantly conceived books I've ever read. It's contributions to the enormous literature on the American West are certainly great, but more than helping us to understand this single episode, he has provided a model that future studies should hope to emulate. By carefully recreating the numerous perspectives of the divergent groups caught up in the notorious Camp Grant Massacre, Jacoby has provided a measure of insight that is truly rare. I don't think i have ever felt so "there" while reading a work of history. I read two or three books a week on average, but rarely does history stick with me like this one did...as I found myself pondering it's subject for days afterwords. I really can't recommend this highly enough, and am eager to hear what Dr. Jacoby is working on next.

FYI: Do yourself a favor and pick up his first book: _Crimes against Nature: Squatters, Poachers, Thieves, and the Hidden History of American Conservation_ - it's depth hints at the approach he chose with Shadows at Dawn, and similarly provides fascinating insight into an under appreciated facet of Western History.
Help other customers find the most helpful reviews 
Was this review helpful to you? Yes No


1 of 1 people found the following review helpful:
5.0 out of 5 stars true wild west, February 21, 2011
had to buy it for a college history class and ended up really learning a lot about the lesser known history of
indian/mexican/american interactions in the american southwest.

very unique in that it revolves around the violence that was ever present in the region. the book itself is split into three sections: violence, justice, and memory which are further divided according to the specific group of people.
Help other customers find the most helpful reviews 
Was this review helpful to you? Yes No


1 of 1 people found the following review helpful:
4.0 out of 5 stars A historical Rashomon, May 22, 2010
By 
This review is from: Shadows at Dawn: A Borderlands Massacre and the Violence of History (Hardcover)
_Shadows at Dawn_ traces the `before' and `after' of the killing in 1871 of approximately 140 Apache who were nominally under the protection of US soldiers at Camp Grant, Arizona. What the other reviewers stress is the innovative arrangement of the material, namely its being broken into four threads, each representing the viewpoint of one of the four ethnic groups involved. After an introduction that describes the massacre, each group has a `before' chapter that leads up to the killings, then there's a cursory overview of the trial of those involved, and then four chapters on the aftershocks.

What is really fascinating about this is how radically incompatible the different groups' views were. This is instantly obvious by looking at the maps that precede each group's first chapter: they cover the same territory but they don't look anything alike. Then each group has different names for the other groups, and its disorienting --- in a good way --- how a group in one narrative is simply `the People' and in another is bluntly referred to as `the Enemy'. The real payoff to the four perspectives, though, is when the groups' attempt to make sense of each other's behavior. The gulf in understanding would be comic if it didn't perpetuate such a spiral of violence.

I do get a feeling, however, that the historical records about the day of the massacre must be pretty thin. Each of the `pre' chapters feels like, "Context, context, context... Bam!" And then the chapter is over. This is frustrating in the sense that it seems like the Camp Grant Massacre was in fact a significant escalation of frontier violence. The rationale for the attack and the style of attack were all very much par for the course but the magnification of the scale of brutality seems to call for an explanation, which the book doesn't provide.

I would also say that there is one question is maddeningly left unanswered: where were the Apache men during the attack? I started wondering this fairly early on. The Apache narratives describe several small groups of men who happened to have gone out from the camp shortly before the attack, but these don't add up to enough men to account for the presence of approximately 170 women and children (20+ children were kidnapped). The Anglo narrative mentions the claim that the men were out on raids, but this claim isn't scrutinized. It seems an important point.

Overall, this is an excellent addition to our understanding of the history of what I think of as 'the West' (an admittedly ethnocentric way of looking at this particular time and place) and is example of the role of innovation by historians in understanding the past. It is also unfortunately rather relevant to the present day: some of the Anglo justifications for the killings are identical to the justifications for Arizona's anti-illegal alien legislation that has created such a firestorm of controversy of late.
Help other customers find the most helpful reviews 
Was this review helpful to you? Yes No


1 of 1 people found the following review helpful:
5.0 out of 5 stars Excellent, enlightening perspective, January 1, 2010
By 
Paul R. Machula (Globe, AZ United States) - See all my reviews
(REAL NAME)   
Amazon Verified Purchase(What's this?)
This review is from: Shadows at Dawn: A Borderlands Massacre and the Violence of History (Hardcover)
Mr. Jacoby's important book is a significant contribution to recent scholarship about this important event in American history. I particularly liked his placing the event in the historical perspectives of the other cultures involved: not only the Apaches themselves, but the O'odham, the Spanish background, and the Mexicans, as well as American involvement. I regard this book as definitive in many new ways.
Help other customers find the most helpful reviews 
Was this review helpful to you? Yes No


2 of 3 people found the following review helpful:
5.0 out of 5 stars A Train Wreck of History, August 10, 2009
By 
Renee C. Ozer (Colorado Springs, CO USA) - See all my reviews
(REAL NAME)   
Amazon Verified Purchase(What's this?)
This review is from: Shadows at Dawn: A Borderlands Massacre and the Violence of History (Hardcover)
I ordered this book after reading a review of it by Larry McMurtry in the New York Review of Books, on the theory that Mr. McMurtry would be a good guide on the subject. Professor Jacoby looks at the 1861 Camp Grant Massacre (~140 Apache killed, mostly women and children, other children captured to be sold as slaves in Sonora) from the separate viewpoints of the whites, Mexican-Americans, Tohono O'odham Indians, and the Apache themselves. The massacre is placed in a context of atrocities committed on all sides, and there is a fine history of escalating clashes between white and Indian cultures from the earliest contacts with the Spaniards.
The Apache account is a bit disappointing because, as an oral culture, the source material has not been preserved. One shares the sense of outrage and betrayal, given that the Apache had placed themselves under protection of the nearby U.S. Army outpost.
However, the white account is chilling, especially in the notes that quote from the bloodthirsty newspaper articles of the day advocating extermination. Lt. Col. John Baylor, a Confederate officer, decided to exterminate the adults and sell the children as slaves. Jefferson Davis countermanded the order and revoked Baylor's commission, but, in view of what the South was fighting for, one shares Baylor's bewilderment at how his solution was greeted.
There is a fine glossary, but I wished there was also a pronunciation guide.
Help other customers find the most helpful reviews 
Was this review helpful to you? Yes No


5.0 out of 5 stars Fascinating read about a little known event, September 4, 2011
By 
m. lee (Pasadena, CA United States) - See all my reviews
I found this book intriguing if anything because this huge massacre, which was the big media event of its time (bonus: you get to see the first picture of Tucson) doesn't register at all today, partly because there were so many Indian massacres but partly because many of the people involved in the killing were later involved in the recording of what happened. Great book for anyone interested in Western history.
Help other customers find the most helpful reviews 
Was this review helpful to you? Yes No


0 of 1 people found the following review helpful:
3.0 out of 5 stars Not "New" Condition, December 24, 2011
Amazon Verified Purchase(What's this?)
The book rates 5 stars but the condition in which it arrived deserves only one...hence the 3 star review. The book arrived with sticker-glue marks (which were removable with rubbing alcohol,) a badly creased front cover, shelf-wear on the corners and a black remainder slash on the bottom edge. The book is being sold as a bargain book, I realize, but I did not expect it to come in used condition. I was intending to give it as a gift--otherwise it would not be as big an issue. I order frequently and I've never had this kind of experience with Amazon.
Help other customers find the most helpful reviews 
Was this review helpful to you? Yes No


‹ Previous | 1 2 | Next ›
Most Helpful First | Newest First

This product

Shadows at Dawn: A Borderlands Massacre and the Violence of History
Shadows at Dawn: A Borderlands Massacre and the Violence of History by Karl Jacoby (Hardcover - November 20, 2008)
$32.95 $12.10
In Stock
Add to cart Add to wishlist