Have one to sell? Sell yours here
The Shape of the River: Long-Term Consequences of Considering Race in College and University Admissions
 
See larger image
 
Tell the Publisher!
I'd like to read this book on Kindle

Don't have a Kindle? Get your Kindle here, or download a FREE Kindle Reading App.

The Shape of the River: Long-Term Consequences of Considering Race in College and University Admissions [Hardcover]

Derek Bok (Author), William G. Bowen (Author, Preface), James L. Shulman (Author)
3.3 out of 5 stars  See all reviews (13 customer reviews)


Available from these sellers.


Textbook Student FREE Two-Day Shipping for Students. Learn more

Formats

Amazon Price New from Used from
Hardcover --  
Paperback $29.43  

Book Description

0691002746 978-0691002743 September 4, 1998 1
Across the United States, in courts, classrooms and the media, Americans are divided over the use of race in admitting students to universities. This book is intended to change that. It brings a wealth of empirical evidence to bear on how race-sensitive admissions policies actually work and what effects they have had on students of different races. The heart of the book is an analysis of the academic, employment and personal histories of more than 60,000 white and African-American students who attended academically selective universities between the 1970s and the early 1990s. The authors argue that only by examining the college careers and the subsequent lives of these students - or, to use a metaphor they take from Mark Twain, by learning the shape of the entire river - can we pass an informed judgement on the wisdom of university admissions policies. They begin by examining the historical context for race-sensitive admissions and how race affects the chances of being admitted to selective colleges. They analyze students' academic records and whether black students overachieved or underachieved in relation to their precollegiate records. The authors follow students to graduate and professional schools and into the marketplace. They explore students' community and family lives after university and the students' reflections on their university experience. In the final chapters, they show how their findings affect the arguments commonly used to attack or defend the use of race in admitting students to the most competitive colleges and universities.


Editorial Reviews

Amazon.com Review

Though the whole idea of racial preferences in higher education has become a flash point of controversy, neither side of the argument has had hard empirical evidence upon which to base its claims. This is precisely the kind of information former university presidents Bowen and Bok attempt to provide, by examining the admissions policies of several (unnamed) institutions and following the fortunes of their minority graduates over a period of years. What they find is certainly provocative--and if, in the end, Bowen and Bok still haven't answered the affirmative-action conundrum, they've taken a valuable first step toward providing some of the necessary facts for an intelligent discussion of the issue.

Review

"The Shape of the River . . . offers much more comprehensive statistics and much more sophisticated analysis than has been available before. Impressionistic and anecdotal evidence will no longer suffice: any respectable discussion of the consequences of affirmative action in universities must now either acknowledge its findings or challenge them, and any challenge must match the standards of breadth and statistical professionalism that Bowen, Bok, and their colleagues have achieved." -- Ronald Dworkin, New York Review of Books

"The Shape of the River is the most comprehensive study ever done of affirmative action in higher education, and it demands the attention of anyone who cares about American universities." -- David Gergen, U.S. News and World Report

"A compelling new book . . . demonstrates why affirmative action programs can be good for the country. . . . The authors prove with facts, not anecdotes, that affirmative action works. . . . With the presidential commission having fallen flat in trying to advance the national discussion on race, it may be the smaller-scale efforts, like the Bowen and Bok book, that better lay the groundwork for long-term change." -- Los Angeles Times

"Instead of relying on preconceived notions and conventional wisdom about race in college and university admissions, Bill Bowen and Derek Bok use facts to examine the record. The result is an invaluable resource for those interested in American higher education and more generally, race in America. It shows that merit and diverse student bodies can be complementary goals and that individuals who have benefited from the policy have gone on to excel as contributing members to the life of our country." -- Senator Bill Bradley

"On the strength of [the authors'] credentials the reader can expect much, and much is delivered.... The Shape of the River is a monumental achievement. Its foundation is so solidly anchored to a bedrock of data that it will be relied upon as a navigational beacon for years to come." -- Robert E. Thatch, Science

"The Shape of the River is the most comprehensive study ever done of affirmative action in higher education, and it demands the attention of anyone who cares about American universities." -- David Gergen, U.S. News and World Report

"The most ambitious and authoritative study to date of the effects of affirmative action in higher education, . . . a serious) (though accessible) work of research, . . . an important corrective to conservative propaganda masquerading as social science." -- Ellis Cose, Newsweek

"This important book is a calm, expert, analytical study of race-sensitive college admissions, and what happens afterwards. There is nothing else in the same league. It tells us many things we didn't know, because until now there was no way to know them. The deepest question is: can we make social policy in this area on the basis of fact and reason, or will it all dissolve in ideological certainty?" -- Robert M. Solow, Massachusetts Institute of Technology, Nobel Laureate in Economics

"What is good for business in this case is good for society too--good for us all. This report may, at last, make that fact evident even to the most obtuse." -- Gary Wills, The Plain Dealer

"With its persuasive evidence about the positive effects of higher education on the social, civic, and economic lives of African Americans, The Shape of the River is a real eye-opener. William Bowen and Derek Bok have brought erudition and hands-on experience to the debate over race-sensitive admissions. For all readers struggling to reconcile principles of fairness with the needs of the society, this book offers even-handed appraisals and a wealth of new and compelling facts." -- Anne Armstrong, Former Ambassador to Great Britain and Chairman of the Board of Trustees of the Center for Strategic and International Studies

"Written by two of the most respected figures in higher education, The Shape of the River offers to the public what has long been needed: a large dose of crucial, unvarnished fact about affirmative action. Mining new and sensitive information, Bowen and Bok present an analysis that is careful, clear, comprehensive, and, above all, candid. No work tells us nearly as much as this one about the social costs and benefits of affirmative action in our colleges and universities. A brilliant scholarly performance, The Shape of the River should be essential reading for anyone seeking a dependable guide through the morass of competing claims that obscure from public attention the questions that need to be posed and the answers that need to be assessed." -- Randall Kennedy, Harvard Law School

Product Details

  • Hardcover: 512 pages
  • Publisher: Princeton University Press; 1 edition (September 4, 1998)
  • Language: English
  • ISBN-10: 0691002746
  • ISBN-13: 978-0691002743
  • Product Dimensions: 9.3 x 6.2 x 1.4 inches
  • Shipping Weight: 2 pounds
  • Average Customer Review: 3.3 out of 5 stars  See all reviews (13 customer reviews)
  • Amazon Best Sellers Rank: #741,048 in Books (See Top 100 in Books)

More About the Author

William G. Bowen is the author of more than twenty books, including The Shape of the River and Equity and Excellence in American Higher Education. He lives in Princeton, New Jersey.

 

Customer Reviews

13 Reviews
5 star:
 (5)
4 star:    (0)
3 star:
 (4)
2 star:
 (2)
1 star:
 (2)
 
 
 
 
 
Average Customer Review
3.3 out of 5 stars (13 customer reviews)
 
 
 
 
Share your thoughts with other customers:
Most Helpful Customer Reviews

42 of 52 people found the following review helpful:
5.0 out of 5 stars Two books in one! One book of fact, one of opinion., August 6, 1999
This review is from: The Shape of the River: Long-Term Consequences of Considering Race in College and University Admissions (Hardcover)
Misters Bowen and Bok have written two books superimposed on one another.

One book is a careful, dispassionate explication of a significant data set obtained over more than two decades for student cohorts at a set of colleges and universities practicing selective admission. These data to do not make a case for or against affirmative action in admission. They are however an extremely valuable resource for placing discussions about selective admission on a factual basis. It seems silly to this reviewer to debate whether the data are "scientific" or not. For other reviewers in this space to have attacked the book without substantiation as "unscientific" only reveals their own bias in this heated debate.

The other book is one of opinion and political values. Bowen and Bok argue a traditional progressive line of thought: that the most prestigious institutions have a responsibility to build a better society and that part of this mission is achieved by helping downtrodden segments of society to better themselves. No set of data can prove these values to be correct, nor can any data refute the dominant opposing view: that admission to the most prestigious institutions should be a reward for great personal merit as measured by an examination system. These are human values that, like religious beliefs, are not subject to straightforward empirical verification.

Readers on either side of the affirmative action debate will find some solace in the data presented in this book. Read with care, this book can provide a basis for more constructive debate. Take for example the famous Thomas Sowell assertion, cited (as Gospel!) by the Reader from Lansing, that students admitted to prestigious schools under an affirmative action plan will have a poor success rate. This is a factual assertion that is tested by the studies reported by Bowen and Bok. As it happens, success (measured by graduation rate) is extremely high at the most selective institutions for affirmative action minority students. This result does not "prove" that affirmative action is good, but it certainly should help us get past one specious argument and move on to more fruitful debate. And please, dear reviewers, read the book next time before you write your review.

Help other customers find the most helpful reviews 
Was this review helpful to you? Yes No


14 of 20 people found the following review helpful:
5.0 out of 5 stars Terrific insight about affirmative action based on evidence, October 27, 1998
By A Customer
This review is from: The Shape of the River: Long-Term Consequences of Considering Race in College and University Admissions (Hardcover)
I was really impressed by this book, and I came to it as a skeptic. I've never been a big fan of affirmative action in the awarding of contracts, but I've always been more ambivalent when it came to programs that were about giving opportunity. It's not like my SATs were through the roof and I've done okay in life.

It impressed me were that Bowen and Bok weren't screaming "agenda" in the book, even though they clearly come out saying that these programs help society in a lot of ways. But they give the minuses as well, and so they don't strike me as the rampant ideologues that seem to dominate any conversation we have about public policy in this country.

They also have a ton of data that seems like it was carefully collected rather then your normal "instant" poll of 14 people. One of the big things that I learned from all these data was that the white alumni report that they learned a lot in college about how to get along with people of other races. They want these programs, not just the blacks. A few notable conservative voices may think that these schools shouldn't have these policies but apparently 79 percent of the people who went to these schools think that they should (or even have stronger policies like them), so I would think that they deserve a little more say in the matter.

I don't really understand the earlier comment by the reader from Lansing. I don't see where this book says that only by going to these schools will people succeed. Also, if (as the reader argues) people who would end up being bumped down to the next level end up doing just fine (as I'm sure many would) then why does it matter who gets into the better schools? You can't have it both ways. The data in the book shows that everyone gets a boost from going to the better schools, and this boost is even bigger for the black students.

Finally, I was convinced by their whole discussion of what's "fair." I don't quite get why some people believe that admitting by SAT scores alone is fair, but the fact that lots of people (and lots of black people) are born in lousy neighborhoods or go to poor high schools is somehow also "fair." Fair is not a very straightforward idea. To the people who say "Gee blacks are getting so much advantage these days," I guess my first question would be "so, would you rather be black?" I doubt it. If these schools are giving people opportunities to give society more black doctors and judges, and the white people think they're benefitting as well, then that seems "fair" to me.

Help other customers find the most helpful reviews 
Was this review helpful to you? Yes No


5.0 out of 5 stars Excellent counter-point to anti-AA books, August 17, 2010
By 
Amazon Verified Purchase(What's this?)
This review is from: The Shape of the River (Paperback)
The book is VERY dense and long winded at times, but needs to be. I think this and D'Souza's "The End of Racism" for example should be required reading, one after the other, in an AP social studies class or PoliSci one. Its a very detailed analysis of the actual empirical results of decades of this policy, and is very convincing.

I think all liberals should have to read D'Souza or similar, and all conservatives this book.
Help other customers find the most helpful reviews 
Was this review helpful to you? Yes No

Share your thoughts with other customers: Create your own review
 
 
 
Most Recent Customer Reviews











Only search this product's reviews




Tags Customers Associate with This Product

 (What's this?)
Click on a tag to find related items, discussions, and people.
 
(1)

Your tags: Add your first tag
 

Sell a Digital Version of This Book in the Kindle Store

If you are a publisher or author and hold the digital rights to a book, you can sell a digital version of it in our Kindle Store. Learn more

Customer Discussions

This product's forum
Discussion Replies Latest Post
No discussions yet

Ask questions, Share opinions, Gain insight
Start a new discussion
Topic:
First post:
Prompts for sign-in
 


Active discussions in related forums
Search Customer Discussions
Search all Amazon discussions
   
Related forums





Look for Similar Items by Category


Look for Similar Items by Subject