Sketches for Sym #3 / Commentary By Anthony Payne

Elgar (Artist), Robert Gibbs (Artist), David Owen Norris (Artist) | Format: Audio CD

Product Details

• Audio CD (March 31, 1999)
• Number of Discs: 1
• Label: Nmc Records
• ASIN: B000009NNO
• In-Print Editions: MP3 Download
• Average Customer Review: 5.0 out of 5 stars  See all reviews (2 customer reviews)
• Amazon Best Sellers Rank: #1,376,312 in Music (See Top 100 in Music)

Track Listings

1. Symphony No. 3 (incomplete; completed by Anthony Payne): Introduction (Including Elgar's orchestral draft for the opening)

2. Symphony No. 3 (incomplete; completed by Anthony Payne): First Movement - Allegro molto maestoso

3. Symphony No. 3 (incomplete; completed by Anthony Payne): Exposition

4. Symphony No. 3 (incomplete; completed by Anthony Payne): End of exposition

5. Symphony No. 3 (incomplete; completed by Anthony Payne): Violin bowing

6. Symphony No. 3 (incomplete; completed by Anthony Payne): End of exposition: 2nd time

7. Symphony No. 3 (incomplete; completed by Anthony Payne): Development fragment (1)

8. Symphony No. 3 (incomplete; completed by Anthony Payne): Development fragment (2-4)

9. Symphony No. 3 (incomplete; completed by Anthony Payne): Development fragment (5)

10. Symphony No. 3 (incomplete; completed by Anthony Payne): Development fragment (6)

11. Symphony No. 3 (incomplete; completed by Anthony Payne): Development fragment (7)

12. Symphony No. 3 (incomplete; completed by Anthony Payne): Development

13. Symphony No. 3 (incomplete; completed by Anthony Payne): B flat minor fragments

14. Symphony No. 3 (incomplete; completed by Anthony Payne): B flat minor episode

15. Symphony No. 3 (incomplete; completed by Anthony Payne): 'Leading to reprise'

16. Symphony No. 3 (incomplete; completed by Anthony Payne): Recapitulation (Including orchestral fragment)

17. Symphony No. 3 (incomplete; completed by Anthony Payne): 'Near the end'

18. Symphony No. 3 (incomplete; completed by Anthony Payne): Unused fragments

19. Symphony No. 3 (incomplete; completed by Anthony Payne): Second Movement - Scherzo: Allegretto

20. Symphony No. 3 (incomplete; completed by Anthony Payne): Main theme

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3 of 3 people found the following review helpful:

5.0 out of 5 stars Factual corrections..., October 2, 2002

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sphaerenklang "stringph - at - gmail" (UK) - See all my reviews

This review is from: Sketches for Sym #3 / Commentary By Anthony Payne (Audio CD)

Just for the record, in fact the proportion of the actual notes in the score of this music that were written by Elgar is quite small. Elgar wrote all but one of the main themes, but they occupy a relatively small proportion of the music. Most of the time is taken up with developing, repeating and "elaborating" the themes, and the great majority of this work is Payne's, not to mention most of the orchestration. Payne also imported some ideas that Elgar had used in a previous work.

As many people have noticed, it is extremely difficult when just listening to the "elaboration" to tell which is which, due to Payne's great skill as an imitator of Elgar's style of writing. On this CD, it is at least possible to sort out the two, since the sketches actually by Elgar are presented separately. It is easy to sit back and let the music wash over you, since the imitation is mostly so well-done that it is hard to believe that Elgar did not write it all out himself. But don't forget that Elgar's own ideas for completing the symphony were quite different and could not be deduced by analogy with his previous works...

5 of 6 people found the following review helpful:

5.0 out of 5 stars In the tradition and style of Elgar., June 16, 1999

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"unkawu" (Washington, DC USA) - See all my reviews

This review is from: Sketches for Sym #3 / Commentary By Anthony Payne (Audio CD)

A must for every fan and student of Elgar.

Anthony Payne finalized the draft by Elgar; but, the music and the underlying power of Symphony III is pure Elgar. There is a feeling of renewal and vigor that marks all of Elgar's works (even Sym II).

For those who came in late, Elgar died in 1933 leaving an almost complete set of notes for Sym III. Payne pulled these together while adding little, if any, color to the original score. While the final part takes an unexpected turn, this is also in keeping with music Elgar wrote in his last years. From there the performance by Davis and the BBC Symphony Orchestra interperts the work in a very straight forward manner.

I feel that any varriation that Payne may have introduced is far less than any conductor would introduce in scoring it for presentation.

In my view it is as strong and as vital a piece of music as the first two symphonies are. I thank Payne and Davis for allowing me to hear this remarkable piece of music after it was locked away for over 60 years.