5 of 5 people found the following review helpful
on June 15, 2012
This is my first review and although I didn't buy my Sonos here at Amazon, I frequently shop here and I find these reviews invaluable. After much reading and debate, I took the plunge and bought a Play 3 along with the bridge. and I'm glad I did.
I'm no audiophile in the truest sense, but I am picky about audio quality. I listened to both the Play 3 and the Play 5 at a Target and I wasn't too impressed at first. The reviews I've read say how great the sound is for it's size and it was better than my laptop speakers, but nowhere as good as my car audio. However, Target isn't the best place to check for sound quality. Plus, you couldn't adjust the tone controls in the store. So I decided to try it at home.
The thing that drew me to the Sonos system was the wireless convenience. The ability to zone your house and group several speakers together, and control them (and the music) from an android device was icing on the cake. None of that would matter if the system didn't sound good. The speaker did sound better at home than in the store, but not quite as good as many of the reviews were saying--specifically in regards to the tone. It had decent thump in the lows for a small speaker with no dedicated subwoofer. The highs were clear and crisp. But overall, the sound was a little muddy for my taste. It's difficult to control the mid range--it'll either have too much bass or too much treble (or not enough of either and sound flat). However, I was being picky. The sound from such a speaker was decent enough. Of course some music shined on it while others fell flat. It partly depended on the genre but it also depended on the recording quality of the original source (at the recording studio). The more I listened however, the more I began to like it. My only real problem at this point was that it was still like listening to a boombox shoved in a corner of a room. I like to feel like I'm surrounded by sound so I got a 2nd Play 3 and created a stereo pair.
Pairing two speakers as a stereo pair is true stereo. One speaker plays the left channel while the other plays the right channel. Boy did this change things. Not only did the sound open up to fill the room (in true stereo fashion), but the tone opened up too. My guess is when in mono on a single speaker, all of the instruments get muddled together and if there's strong bass, I guess it messes with the other frequencies coming from the same speaker. When in stereo, the bass may be more or less to the left or right, then the other speaker can better handle the mid and high frequencies. Again, this is a guess as to why, but the sound is definitely much improve as a stereo pair. The Sonos system are not the best speakers I've ever heard, but then those kinds of speakers are usually 2-3 times the size and price of the Sonos speakers and are not wireless.
Setting up the Sonos speaker system was very simple and being able to place my speakers exactly were I want them without running wires all around the room was really a blessing. The ability to add more speakers around the house and zone and/or group speakers as I see fit, whenever I want, is smart. If I was a true audiophile, I might look into another system. But I haven't seen a system that is as flexible as the Sonos system that delivers decent sound at a reasonable price. For those of you who are looking for a speaker system that's several steps above the quality of most other computer speakers (and way more flexible), look no further.
Overall I am very please with my Sonos System. The Play 5 might be a better choice for me (some say the tone is improved over the play 3) but I couldn't justify the price--especially sense I would have to have a pair of them for stereo. Don't get me wrong, the sound on the Play 3 when in a stereo pair is very good. I just wouldn't call it the best. If the price was a little less or if you could fine tune the tone better I would easily give it 5 stars. It's close, but for now I give 4 stars (because I'm picky).
24 of 31 people found the following review helpful
on September 27, 2011
After attending a demo on the Sonos system at my local A/V shop I decided to order a setup for myself. One thing repeatedly stressed by the Sonos rep was their stellar customer support and universal customer satisfaction. Feeling comfortable with this reputation I ordered the bridge, the Sonos 3 and the Sonos 5.
Fit and finish
I received all the units promptly with no issues, as I've grown to love with Amazon. The products were well protected and packaged. The Sonos 5 was quite a large box between the size of the unit and the large amount of styrofoam. The closest I can compare to the fit, finish, and packaging is that everything was very Apple like. Very clean lines, no surprises. Things were looking good.
After getting everything hooked up, I installed the software on my Mac mini and proceeded to ID my individual Sonos units on my network. I have a quirk in my setup in that my music serving Mac is located in my home office, which is about 300 feet away and up a flight of stairs from my house. Not really a big deal except that as you load each Sonos unit, you first put the software into a "searching for Sonos players" state so it's scanning the network for new units. You then press two buttons on the player itself to activate it's "find me" function. Oh, and you have two minutes to find a new unit or it times out. So three trips back and forth, 300 feet each direction, flight of stairs each direction, and hurry, you have two minutes. This would have been solved by having someone on the phone pressing the buttons for me, or taking the units to my home office, activating them, then taking them back to the house. However I wanted this to be as clean of an install as possible so I did it the old fashioned way. I didn't have someone to press the buttons for me at the time. Meh, I needed the exercise anyway but at least now you know what to expect. Btw, everything worked well, but not perfectly the first time. I'd say I made 5-6 trips to get three working.
After getting the players themselves loaded, it was time to load the music. Be warned, you have to have the players loaded before you import your music. I spent some time chasing my tail on this one. Logically it makes sense, but my real concern was importing my music for reasons that will become obvious. I tried that first and the option was basically greyed out with no real explanation for why. Actually reading the instructions would probably have saved me some time but in my case I figured this out on my own.
So it's time to load the music. I have a really large music library, somewhere around 64,000 tracks. This is why I was concerned about loading music onto Sonos because I was concerned it would take hours, which imports often do. I also wanted to see if the software would blow up before I did all the hardware installs. Eventually I was able to import my library into the Sonos library. A quick 300 feet jog and I confirmed that I was able to play music from my library. Sweet! So onto playlists, which Sonos imports from iTunes. When I pulled up playlists all that was available was "imported playlists" which were all labeled "playlist.m3u" Odd. I tried playing one of the playlists to see if I could tell which one mine is. Errors. I tried reimporting. Nope.
Now understand, when your library in measured in terabytes, you need iTunes and the genius playlist. Sitting down and hand building playlists would be a nightmare. Pick one song, hit genius, and 100 great songs are magically built into a playlist in one second. Being able to pull that together from the tens of thousands of songs is awesome. Anything I use has to support playlists to work.
So, online chat for tech support. Sonos has fantastic tech support, remember? "You are in line for a tech, your wait time is projected to be 15 minutes." Ok, that works. 45 minutes later I finally get someone. The time estimate doesn't work. Don't plan on it. But I have someone finally who says to submit diagnostics data to Sonos through the software so here we go.... and my computer locks up. Probably not their fault, can't be helped although it was their software that was active when it locked. Who knows. Reboot, reload iTunes, sign into Sonos, wait in line again. Gonna be 15 minutes, 60 minutes later I'm #1 in line and.... 6pm. Tech support is closed. No sorry, enter your case here, request a call back, just bang, do not pass go, do not collect 200 dollars. Ok, that one is their fault. Give up, try again later in the week. Go through the 15 minute expected wait, 60 minutes later I get a live person on chat. And the answer is, submit your diagnostics. Aha, I already have. A couple of rounds of convincing said person that I actually already did submit the data and it hasn't changed in two days and he finally looks for the diagnostics. His solution? Your library is too large, delete some of your music. Now it took 30 minutes of back and forth trying to get an alternate answer but the end result is, there is a physical limit to the amount of index data the Sonos units can hold, and somewhere around 62,000-65,000 items and it just stops loading. Whatever hasn't loaded yet, doesn't exist. Sorry. So I asked, any way to load in a different order so playlists are first? No. Any way to skip podcasts? I don't need podcasts loaded. No. Anything I can do besides unburn the boxes these things came in and ship them back. Um, not really. Disappointing. Especially since this product is pitched to audiophiles who tend to have crazy libraries of music.
One of the really nice features of Sonos is the ability to operate any or all of the units from an iPhone, iPad, etc. I have both and the software works nicely. It's really cool to be twenty feet from the unit and skip a track, change the volume, etc. It especially is nice to play with, impress your friends, scare the kids, that kind of stuff. The user interface is well done. I have an issue that is probably related to my large library again but now I notice that when I try to scan artists to build a playlist manually, routinely the tracks cannot be found. I know they are there, Sonos simply cannot see them when I look. So basically you look by artist, that leads to all your artist names. Pick ABC band. A sub-menu opens showing ABC band's albums. Pick an album and you dive down to the tracks. Normal, except the tracks aren't there even though I know they are.
One thing that did throw me for a loop is shuffle. Locating it requires you to press on an area of the screen which is displaying track data, which brings up a sub-menu where you can select shuffle. It's not entirely intuitive since it's basically a hidden sub-menu. To make things even weirder, the iPad version isn't exactly like the iPhone version so I end up hunting around a bit depending on which device I am using. Not a deal breaker but it sure was annoying in the beginning.
Another issue I didn't foresee, and this would be true of any application that uses an iPhone or whatever for control. Your controls are almost exclusively on the handheld device. On the Sonos you have volume up, volume down, and mute button. That's it. So say you are playing music and a song comes up that you want to fast forward through to the next track. You pull your phone from your pocket, press the button to bring it to life, swipe to assure the phone that yes you did mean it. Then you scroll to the page that has your Sonos software (you may have done email, a phone call, etc since you originally hit play), you hit Sonos. Sonos must then connect to your network and locate a Sonos player because it lost connection when the phone went to sleep. Not lost your network, just the Sonos player. Give that a few seconds, maybe 5-10. Then you have control. Hit skip and it's magically instant. I mean it's so fast it's magic that it's going wirelessly and still having that kind of response. The problem is, hitting one fast forward button takes about 6 key strokes and about 20 seconds. Kind of annoying if your wife wants to tell you something every five minutes so you have to keep hitting pause, say yes dear, unpause, go back to what you're doing, then wash, rinse, repeat. Or if at the end of the song your kids scream for you to play it again because it's their favorite. After three minutes my phones asleep so it's start over from scratch. It's especially annoying if you are standing beside the Sonos player but have to do all this to hit pause, fast forward, rewind, etc. The units are sexy, but a few more buttons wouldn't have really hurt.
These units, especially the Sonos 5 but the Sonos 3 even sound really good. I wouldn't want them as my home theater but if you want music in your rooms quick and easy, these things are the deal. If you have your music all on MP3, a device like this is awesome. BBQ tonight? Unplug one and plug it in on the deck. Instant party music. If you are an A/V snob, these things are what they are. If you normally shop at Best Buy, these sound awesome. Equal to a Bose, probably better. I haven't listen to a Bose in quite a while. Way better sound than a Logitech Squeezebox, no comparison.
If you don't have a stupidly large library like me, then I'd say give Sonos a try. Most of my issues are self inflicted. I am quite unhappy that the limitation on total tracks wasn't apparent or published prior to my purchase. To my knowledge it's still an unpublished limitation, which is why I took the time to write this review. If you do have a huge library, the Logitech Squeezebox works just fine.