Customer Reviews

Sony MZ-S1 S2 Sports Net MD MiniDisc Player

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4 star:		(30)
3 star:		(4)
2 star:		(1)
1 star:		(9)

 

 

Here goes. This review is meant to make buyers aware of the flaws in this so-called "easy transfers" from a PC to a NetMD (ANY model of NetMD).

Don't get too worked up about the hype of cheap minidiscs and 160 Mb worth of songs you can put in it. There are some catches that you need to be aware of:

1. You can transfer your MP3s only 3 times to a minidisc. Yes, 3 times. Why? Sony has made a licensing agreement with itself (the Sony label company) that an MP3 file can only be transfered 3 times. So, if your first transfer didn't work-- you got 2 transfers left. If your disc got broken, it doesn't matter-- only 1 transfer is left. This, ladies and gentlemen, is called the OpenMG magic. The OpenMG software is a nightmare to be told in reason number 2.

2. The OpenMG software that comes with this device is a pure frustrating-agonizing joke. Go to www.musiclub.sonystyle.com and see how many people are complaining about this software. Sony "the software company" and Sony "the electronics company" is so incompatible with each other that you'd think one's made in Japan and the other in the U.S separated by a large body of water (literally). Technically: You have to convert MP3s to an ATrac3 file before transfering anything to a NetMD device. OpenMG's job is to convert MP3 files into Atrac3 files. Guess what? Those converts DOES NOT always work. Transfering a CD to an MP3? You still need to convert to Atrac3 files. You cannot record anything to a minidisc without converting it first-- well what if the conversions DOES NOT always work? A HAH! Strike 2!

3. Finally, I have had a NetMD MZ-NF610 for the past 2 months. The first month, everything worked fine--transfers were good, followed every single instructions on the manual, and never dropped, bumped, and hurt the device in any way. What happened in the second month you asked? These MP3-Atrac3 conversions started to go wrong. Go to any minidisc forum in the website (search for "minidisc forum" on google) and you will see that there's this huge problem of converting files. The conversion progress goes up to 8 or 9% and then it halted into nowhere. No explanation and no reason. Sony support line doesn't help because the people working there are your grandparents.

If you're thinking about buying this device as an alternate MP3 device, re-think again. The industry is on a crackdown and what makes you think that you can transfer these files freely? Buying this device is like buying a 200 dollar worth of fish net. The simple truth.

I read all the reviews AFTER I bought this player. I was concerned about the Sony software, but not too worried since I knew I could use Real One Player to record & manage tracks.I have an MP3 player (128MB) and I like this system more. Here's why. . .

Basically I like to listen to a lot of different kinds of music. I can fit about 40 songs (5 hours) on one mini disc at a great quality level. I can't fit that many on my MP3 player. If I want to switch tunes, I simply change discs --- Takes a second or two. With the MP3 player, I have to boot up my system, hook up the player, etc, etc, etc.

I run, snowboard, mountain bike, and work out with this player. It gets sweaty, and it gets frozen, and it gets knocked around big time. What it doesn't do is skip. It's bulletproof. I think it runs about 50 hours on 1 AA battery. The sound is excellent, but as mentioned in some other reviews, the headphones could be better.

It does take a while to load up the songs from your PC to the player though. Loading songs to my MP3 player is much faster, I have to admit. But here's the thing - Blank mini discs are [very reasonable priced, and can be recorded on again and again about a million times without failing. All told I have a bunch of discs, but only 3 that I listen to with a fair amount of regularity. Those 3 discs have about 15 hours of music, and cost [very little]. Do the math, and compare that to the cost of extra memory in an MP3 player.

Bottom line is I'm really surprised that these players have not really caught on in the USA. They're big everywhere else. This new generation of players are among the first to be easily managed from a PC, so hopefully that is what was keeping them from catching on before.

I'm starting to wonder whether Sony is even on the right track in trying to remain relevant in the mp3-centric digital music world.

I think something like NetMD would have been utterly fantastic three years ago, when USB-enabled computers were starting to gain mainstream adoption, and before hard disk and cd-r burner prices hadn't dropped low enough for more people to rip and burn their music collection. Then, I think, the ability to transfer up to five hours of music onto a single, (relatively) inexpensive minidisc would have held greater appeal.

Regardless of timing, the NetMD technology is still pretty neat. You are able to transfer digital content, either imported mp3/wma or audio CD's, directly to minidisc using one of three compression settings.

SP, the full-bore setting, allows up to 80 minutes on one disc, and is the best sounding of the three. It is "lossy" compression, like mp3, but to my damaged ears, they sound at least as good as CD's. LP2 doubles the storage time, but the increased compression makes the resulting recordings sound like... well, ALMOST as good as a 160kbps cbr mp3. Almost.

LP4 quadruples storage time, but as you might guess, the sound quality is pretty dodgy, comparable to a poorly ripped 128kbps (or lower) cbr mp3. LP4 is pretty much a lost cause as far as most rock goes, but it is surprisingly passable for hip-hop and spoken word (and probably for most electronica, but I have yet to test this).

As far as transferring existing mp3/wma content goes, I wouldn't recommend it (I know, it pretty much nulls the hype of NetMD, doesn't it?). I've tried converting a batch of 160kbps cbr mp3's to SP and LP2, using the included OpenMG Jukebox. At SP, the sound quality is comparable to the original, but the transfer to MD takes almost as long as the length of the content. Transfer in LP2 is faster, if you disregard the processor-hog conversion to ATRAC LP2 mode, but the sound quality takes a nosedive.

From what I've read, OMG Jukebox is notoriously unstable. Or so I've read. I've been able to successfully install it on two separate Windows 2000 Pro machines, and I'm feeling so lucky, I'm going to buy a lottery ticket once I'm done with this review.

That said, once you fast forward to 2002, where more people than not have gigabytes of existing mp3's on her or his hard disk, you have to wonder whether it's more convenient to rely on a solid state mp3 player to take small sections of this content without any further format-shifting, or dump them en masse to CD-R/W's for use with 3" or 5" disc-based mp3 players. If NetMD handled mp3's and wma's natively (or even managed Sony's proprietary ATRAC without the inflexible audio management software), I think this product would have much more relevance today. However, due to intellectual property concerns, I think Sony hamstrung itself with its convoluted content management system.

In the meanwhile, I've been using the Net MD Simple Burner program to transfer audio CD content directly to MD (mostly in LP2 mode, with some LP4, but for some weird reason, SP is NOT available as a transfer mode with Simple Burner!). I have started amassing a usable variety of discs packed with songs for the gym or for walks in the park, and from there on, it's straightforward MD goodness. Compact form factor, high skip resistance, durable media, high battery life. Basically all the things that most CD-R/W mp3 players aren't. And in a nice change of pace from the bumblebee black-and-yellow motif, the new S2 Sports design definitely adds some to the "cool factor".

I'm inclined to think that Sony munged the Minidisc yet again, this time with questionable software, but the good news is that I am still able to make use of NetMD. Drop me a line if you have any questions or war stories to share.

This is a product I so much wanted to like. The concept is great. Take 50 MP3 files, copy them to this cleverly designed Mini Disc, and it's off to the gym with an invigorating set of tunes. Unfortunately this product seems to follow the old Jaguar automotive school of creating a sexy machine that is totally unreliable. Let's start from the top.

The salesman convinced me that of the various netMD models this would be the best to take to the gym because it is more rugged. It needs to be. It is twice the size and weight of the other netMD recorders, cost an extra [PRICE], and offers no additional features except it's extra outer shell. It needs to be more rugged too because it is too big to fit in your pocket, has no belt clip, and is too big to fit in any of the neoprene minidisc belts. I guess I could use a belt designed for a standard CD player but then what's the point of having a Mini Disc. The unit seem to be designed for joggers who wish to hold the unit in their hand while they run, using the thumb joystick on the top.

This joystick is another point of contention. The S1 is suppose to be water resistant but the joystick sits in a non-sealed well on the top. The stick itself has sharp edges that are uncomfortable to use.

The electronics are good. At my age my ears aren't good enough to tell subtle differences in sound quality, especially when I'm in a noisy gym listening to myself grunt. It is evident the LP2 mode is not as good as the original MP3 file which is not as good as the CD file.However it is still better than anything I can pick up on the radio and better than a tape. And in spite of all my complaints about this particular model I would go out again and buy another (smaller) netMD player (I returned this one)if it weren't for one very important thing...the software.

In order to get the music into the player you download it via USB using software provided by Sony called OpenMG Jukebox. On a 1 - 10 scale this software is a minus 2. Using Windows XP and the NTFS file system the software crashes everytime I try to load more than a few songs at once into the player. Worse yet, after spending over an hour on the phone with a very nice tech it became apparent Sony has not placed a priority it dealing with this very common issue. Jumping on to the Internet I discovered this poorly designed and unreliable software is affectionately called Junkbox and has been a point of contention with Sony customers for a long time.

I guess if I was willing to fiddle with the system everytime I wanted to create a disc, I could ultimately create a set of enjoyable music and once it is on the disc the system works flawlessly. However I don't think this kind of corporate attitude should be rewarded. When Sony decides to put their resources into completing the product or a third party creates a stable and much less cumbersome tool to transfer files, I may look at the netMD world again. Until then I think these products are not ready for prime time.

Like everyone else who has bought an MD player, I too hate the Open MG software with a passion. But if that's the only thing that's keeping you from buying one today, then keep reading, because you might want to buy one after you see what I have to say.

All you need to avoid using the Open MG software are two pieces of software. One comes supplied with the MD player, and that's the Net MD simple burner which allows you to transfer music CDs to your MD. The other piece of software is Nero Burning ROM. Simply use Nero to create a Music CD image on your harddrive somewhere, and then using the Nero Imagedrive which comes with the Nero burning ROM software, mount the Music CD image you just created. This tricks Net MD simple burner into thinking you have just put a music cd into your cd-rom drive and will then allow you to transfer all the mp3s you just burned to the music CD image.

Aside from the software that comes with the MZ-S1, everything else is great. Although slightly larger than its counterparts, I still find that the MZ-S1 fits quite easily into my pocket whenever I'm on the bus. One advantage to the S1 which most other MD players in it's price range don't have, is the Backlit LCD display. This is very useful for use in dim lighting.

If you are considering an MP3 player in the MD price range then you are probably looking at something with 128 MB of space. Under the best circumstances (1 MP3 = 3 MB) you will only be able to hold 40 MP3s or 120 minutes of music or 2 hours. With just one Mini Disc (costs approx. $1.50) you can hold over 5 hours of music. Mini Discs are very flexible. If you don't want to buy any more than the one that comes the the MZ-S1 then you can erase and rewrite to it over 1,000 times. No, I did not make a mistake: ONE THOUSAND. Mini Discs weigh nothing, and the players themselves weigh anywhere from less then a quarter of a pound to less than half a pound, and are comparable in size to any MP3 player.

In the end I didn't give the MZ-S1 five stars because the Open MG software was obnoxious. I hope Sony gets their act together someday and makes a piece of software that matches the quality and workmanship of the MZ-S1.

The Sports NetMD from Sony is an excellent player for runners. I did a fair amount of research before buying the player, since all my previous cassette/CD players skipped after a few minutes of running, but in several runs so far, I have NOT been able to get this baby to skip even once.

The good points about this player are:

1. More compact than a CD/cassette player
2. More music than either of the above
3. Skip-free performance
4. The MiniDisc is very compact - I carry one extra MD on my
runs along with the one in my player - it fits comfortably
in the key pocket of my running shorts.

The drawbacks are:
1. Supplied headphones are quite bad
2. Poor software (particularly the quick transfer tool,
which resulted in a few bad transfers

Overall, I am very impressed and happy with the player. I would
recommend any runner to look at this player seriously if they're
looking for a good portable audio tool.

Thanks to Real for supporting the Sony MD players in the Real One Player! Sony has a long history of making innovative, easy to use, well designed, compact, and durable consumer electronics that come with some of the worst, least usable software you'll ever see. It's a shame, too...clearly some competent design and development effort goes into the SW, but usability and convenience (ironically, something the hardware itself shines in) is something that is just apparently not a consideration.

Anyways, if this device wasn't supported by other software, I'd have a hard time recommending it...However, since it works well enough with Real One Player, I'd have to say you couldn't do better than this device for a portable (and ruggedized!) digital music player. I have experience with the Nomad II, Nomad Jukebox, Sony MusicClip (crippled by the OpenMG SW:(), and RaveMP players. The sound quality is significantly better than any of those players. Furthermore, I've experienced much longer battery life than any of these other players by a factor of 2 or 3. The real payoff, however, is the cost of media: Minidiscs are a factor of 20-40x cheaper than comparable 128MB flash memory devices (compact flash, smart media, etc.).

Five stars if it didn't come with OpenMG.

Ive always been a real fan of the minidisc design. The size and ruggedness of the media made it ideal for a person on the go. Up til now the players havent followed suit. The models offered were quite fragile in contrast to the minidisc inside. After endless dings and dents to my Aiwa am-f70 I finally found a player that im not afraid to drop on cement while running. If you have ever owned or even used a sports walkman from sony then you should know what to expect from this model.
Beyond the design, the ability to record from your computer via a USB port gives Minidisc users a something to cheer about. Although the software is a bit clunky and confusing for those who arent highly computer literate, I expect with some use most anyone can master the art of making a recording from Mp3 files.
Although I do like this model quite a bit I do have something to gripe about- NO RECHARGEABLE BATTERY. Big mistake in my opinion.

I bought the MZ-N505 (the gaudy little gold or silver one) but returned it for the MZ-S1. While the two are almost identical in recording and playing features, the N505 was so small and light that it felt dangerously flimsy. The more robust body of the S1 makes it a better buy.

I'm planning on bringing my player around campus with me in (the bottom of) my backpack, carrying it when running, and keeping it in my jacket pocket while skiing. Nothing heavy duty--I think most people will subject their players to all kinds of similar use when they realize how convenient and portable they are.

The S1 is a shade bigger and weighs almost twice as much as the 505, but the only way you can tell the difference between 4 ounces and 7 is when you're holding one in each hand. That extra weight is used to make the body thicker and more 'drop-resistant'. Should I wipe out while skiing, the last thing I'll have to worry about is this player. I can hold it in my sweaty clutches or get it rained on and the rubber gaskets around the MD and battery compartments and the playing controls will keep it from getting wet inside.

The player controls put the 'joy' back in 'joystick'--they're designed to be easy to control when you hold it upright in one hand (while running,for example) but can be operated from any angle. The backlit LCD screen is another improvement over the N505.

I also found the design more tasteful--it lacks the "please steal me" ghetto design philosophy of the 505. When you throw in the hand strap and better headphones that come included in the package, the MZ-S1 is the better choice.

i got into the minidisc medium several years ago, when it first came out. i bought a large, clunky, vcr-sized sony recorder-player deck, which came w/ a "free" portable player. the portable player was problaby the worst piece of electronics i've ever owned (i won't get into the attrocities of it).

about 3 years ago, i upgraded my portable unit to the
sony mz-e44 model. it's a fantastic player, and i really can't say much bad about it. small, stylish, and efficient. a sweet blue/purple irridescent color scheme. but after 3 years, it was time to upgrade again.

i purchased the sony mz-s1 model about 2 weeks ago, and absolutely love it.

the minidisc technology is not for everyone. it is not the most perfect medium w/ which to record and listen to music. but from what i've seen and heard, if you are a fan or user of this technology, the mz-s1 will suffice for all your needs.

the pros:
- stylish. off-white and orange colors. smooth, rounded edges. not the smallest and most compact model, but it's good enough for most purposes.
- comes w/ software containing two seperate recording/playing programs. i've seen some negative opinions about the software, but it's nothing that should prevent the average user from enjoying the player, or the recording process.
- you can record up to 5+ hours of music to one minidisc. this is the most major upgrade to the 2 previous players (3, if you count the home deck) i've owned.
- my previous 2 models have occasionally skipped, even just during normal walking. this player has yet to skip on me. even once. even during rough, rugged movement. i once dropped the player while trying to put it in my pocket- it hit the ground, but never missed a beat (and the casing didn't scratch or scuff, either! needless to say, a pleasant, and great surprise)

the cons:
- a little bigger than it probably needs to be, but this is just nitpicking. the mz-e44 model is smaller, but only slightly, and the mz-s1's features more than make up for it. it still fits quite nicely in the inside pocket of my leather coat, but it doesn't fit as well into my jeans pocket, as the mz-e44 did.
- the included software is a bit complicated and cumbersome at first, but after playing around w/ if for a short while, is easy to get used to.
- this is probably nitpicking as well, but 2 things this player lacks, that my former, 3 year old model had, is a rechargable battery (still, you get 50+ hours of playback w/ a single AA battery, which really is nothing to complain about), and one of those remote-stick thingies that you can change tracks, volume, etc. from. in order to do these basic tasks, you have to actually touch the player itself. again, not a big deal, but a feature that would've been nice.

in conclusion, i would reccomend this player to anyone, though not highly. i would suggest doing some research and shopping around, to find the best fit for you. there's nothing here that should deter anyone from purchasing this model, but other models out there may contain other features that this one lacks, that may suit you better. still, this is a player that the average consumer can't go wrong w/, and should make most consumers happy w/ all the features and abilities it has. i know i myself am happy i bought it. and i owned what i previously considered to be a top of the line model (paid [money] for it 3 years ago).