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Spiritual Envy: An Agnostic's Quest [Hardcover]

Michael Krasny , Joyce Carol Oates
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October 5, 2010
As the host of one of National Public Radio’s most popular interview programs, Michael Krasny has spent decades leading conversations on every imaginable topic and discussing life’s most important questions with the foremost thinkers of our time. Now he brings his wide-ranging knowledge and perceptive intelligence to a thoughtful and thought-provoking exploration of belief — and lack of belief.

Many books and pundits advocate for a specific God, while others adamantly declare there is no God. Yet these strident viewpoints often speak right past each other, rarely convincing anyone but the already convinced. In Spiritual Envy, Krasny helps believers and nonbelievers alike understand their own questions about faith and religion, about God and human responsibility.

Krasny challenges each of us to look closely at faith and its power, and to examine the positive and negative aspects of religion as expressed in culture, literature, and human relationships. Personal and universal, timely and timeless, this is a deeply wise yet warmly welcoming conversation, an invitation to ask one’s own questions — no matter how inconclusive the answers.

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Starred Review. The contention between the "new" atheists and the devout is causing a resurgence in agnostic studies. Krasny (Off Mike) is a public radio host and a self-declared agnostic, maintaining a position that "stands open to verification of either side of the God question." Deftly balancing biography and literary scholarship, the book is both a personal examination of agnosticism and a balanced voice in the complex debate over faith's role in society. Krasny grew up a strong believer in his Jewish faith, until adolescent questioning led him to declare he just wasn't sure. Despite a lost connection with God, the young Krasny continued to seek a divine presence, even admitting to feelings of envy toward those possessing "the consolation of faith." In this book, agnosticism is a tool to philosophically engage with various manifestations of faith including organized religion, spiritual-but-not-religious sentiments, and even paranormal theories. Readers expecting a late chapter conversion will be disappointed; Krasny remains agnostic to the end, even while declaring his respect for the benefits religion can bring to believers. (Oct.) (c)
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Books by agnostics about their agnosticism (unlike the prolific atheists) are anything but a dime a dozen. In fact, Krasny’s latest is one of only a dozen or so published this century. Krasny may be a university professor, but he doesn’t address his questions as an academic. He explores agnosticism the way he explores topics on his daily NPR show—in a thoughtful, informed, and almost conversational tone. The main difference is this isnt just any issue; it’s Krasny’s own story. The author’s honesty begins with the book’s title. He obviously envies the feelings of peace and comfort that people of faith experience. Keeping him from it, though, are innumerable questions. The book presents these ruminations with only hints to the answers. The questions involve issues like the Ten Commandments, God’s existence, evil, and tolerance. Along the way, Krasny brings many people into the conversation—fellow agnostics like Thomas Huxley, atheists like Richard Dawkins, and even biblical characters like Job. The author’s nondogmatic stance will please virtually all readers. --Wade Osburn

Product Details

  • Hardcover: 264 pages
  • Publisher: New World Library (October 5, 2010)
  • Language: English
  • ISBN-10: 1577319125
  • ISBN-13: 978-1577319122
  • Product Dimensions: 0.9 x 6.2 x 8.6 inches
  • Shipping Weight: 15.2 ounces (View shipping rates and policies)
  • Average Customer Review: 3.8 out of 5 stars  See all reviews (29 customer reviews)
  • Amazon Best Sellers Rank: #644,673 in Books (See Top 100 in Books)

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42 of 44 people found the following review helpful
4.0 out of 5 stars Accessible & eloquent defense of agnosticism September 30, 2010
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Neither with the triumphalism of some neo-atheists, nor the steady conviction of many believers, Krasny offers a philosophy grounded in uncertainty, yet one that demands that the right questions are asked, even if answers elude the agnostic.

Unbelievers and theists both assert they have proof. Krasny finds that atheists "resembled fundamentalists in their atheism," yet he cannot accept their reduction of a creator to "the traditional, anthropomorphic God tied to religion's dark history." Instead, he looks to his childhood Judaism for a moral code based on the Ten Commandments yet open to an existentialist honesty enriched by his literary and cultural inspirations, whether Mort Sahl or Samuel Beckett, Ernest Hemingway or Mel Brooks, San Quentin's prisoners or his accountant who doubled as a magician. This combination of the personal anecdote and the erudite explication deepens the impact of Krasny's account.

This attempt to overcome such dualism between denial and verification of God's presence derives from a comfort with the unknowables. Yet, oddly, Krasny skims past Richard Dawkins' "The God Delusion" where he admitted that atheists cannot ultimately verify the divine absence. They may edge towards very dogmatic agnosticism. Krasny rushes past his own radio interview with Dawkins, a summary of which might have enriched this discussion.

These deep questions, as Krasny spends over two hundred thoughtful pages considering, may continue to elude us no less than, say, what happened before the Big Bang. Yet, as scientists ask, so does he as an agnostic. He calls himself a "spiritual wallflower on the sidelines watching and learning and absorbing without the willingness or inability to cast off doubt and skepticism and join in the dance." He finds kin in Beckett's "wait-and-see tramps" in Waiting for Godot, and Kafka's Hunger Artist, "who simply did not like the food" or in Krasny's case "what is out there in the spiritual troughs."

While never repetitive, the concentrated nature of his prose does make this a book that may reward slower appreciation rather than rapid perusal. A palpable determination to keep exploring difficult topics lures the reader on, and this pace can weary the less committed follower. Krasny avoids jargon and keeps the reader as close as one of his interview subjects, but this is one title on agnosticism deserving an armchair and a slow pace rather than a talk show or a theological seminar. He remembers the common listener when he talks: "Think honestly about what or who allows you to temporarily escape the onus of time, and you will have discovered a great deal about who you are and what you need in this life and, if you believe in it, the next."

He sums it up by returning to the problems that have filled his intellectual and spiritual life. He concludes that while writing this book has not ended his search for these mysteries and their solutions, he holds more faith than ever in the power of asking the right questions of himself, and of us as his readers. This modest, yet admirable stance, then, represents Krasny's own calling, to take on the same challenges that inspired his Jewish ancestors, his favorite authors, his many journalistic moments, his students, and those whose lives and ideas fill this book.
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20 of 21 people found the following review helpful
5.0 out of 5 stars Thoughtful and Philosophical October 19, 2010
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Krasny jokes that this book provides no answers: it's a book about not knowing, after all. On the one hand he is correct. Part of this book is one thoughtful man candidly sharing his own spiritual journey. That in itself is an enjoyable read. And part of this book is an exercise in posing the right questions--something that is not necessarily easy to do. If you're genuinely interested in your own pursuit of this topic, this is the book for you.

But (on the other hand) he also sneaks in some real philosophy. He correctly illuminates the fact that agnosticism is not a half-way point between atheism and theism. And he frames agnosticism in the only way it can truly make any sense: as not just an "I dunno'" position but instead an admitting that the object of hoped-for belief--i.e. God--cannot be known, and thus one is forced into agnosticism. I'm still not personally convinced, but this is the best framing I've seen of the position.

Lastly, a warning: if you're an avid reader, you'll find Krasny's multitude of references hard to resist and will then find yourself back at the bookstore with another stack of books. He references them not in the academic way (though many are "academic" sources) but in a much more accessible, conversational manner, dropping little nuggets in his writing in much the same way he does as an interviewer.

This is a book that should be included amongst the recent fervor of atheists and theists (and deists, etc.) as it aims not to be polemic but, instead, to provide a foundation for understanding and reflection.
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51 of 66 people found the following review helpful
2.0 out of 5 stars A Spiritual Atheist's Thoughts On Spiritual Envy November 25, 2010
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A friend suggested Michael Krasny's Spiritual Envy to me because I write a blog, "The Spiritual Life of An Atheist" (at wordpress). I don't actually think of atheism and agnosticism as that far apart so I thought Krasny and I might have some common ground. And Krasny and I, an avowed atheist, are in many respects fellow travelers.

* We share the same position--no God until proven otherwise. Krasny writes: "Agnosticism is a position that denies the existence of absolutes and hidden spiritual forces behind the natural or material world until they can be empirically proven."

* Krasny and I agree that no guiding hand in the sky is behind life's events: "I knew, unfortunately at a young age, that we were deceived if we believed a guiding hand was behind tragedy or that faith could move the cold hand of death, let alone mountains."

* We both think the popular image of God is a human self-projection writ large: "Thinking of God having needs or expectations where we poor mortals are concerned is another product of anthropomorphic imagination, that in us which insists on creating the creator."

* Neither of us believes that prayer is going to save someone's life: "Of course, I did not believe prayers would wrest my father from the jaws of death. . . ."

* We don't believe in souls: "I assume death means the end of consciousness, and that souls neither actually exist nor transmigrate, but as with most matters of agnostic thought, I don't really know because I cannot."

* And not surprisingly, we don't believe in life after death: "Though I remain agnostic, I nevertheless believe this one life is all there is."

* To our minds, religious belief is not the source of morality: "We operate by our own moral navigation system whether we like to believe we do or not. We form our codes of ethics apart from God because the authentic authorship of God's words, either on tablets or in scripture, cannot be known, and even if it could be, people could still operate in whatever ways they choose."

And we have valued many of the same authors: Sartre, Camus, Beckett, Dostoyevsky, O'Connor, Hemingway. His discussion of these writers and their works is one of the more enjoyable aspects of the book for me--kind of like a walk down the memory lane of AP Literature.

But I, unlike Krasny, don't have spiritual envy. Julian Barnes's line, "I don't believe in God but I miss him," resonates with Krasny. Krasny declares, "I would like to believe in God, to know there is a spiritual power over us." Not so with me. I have found that deep spiritual satisfaction IS possible without a belief in God or higher power. One can accept impermanence and even cosmic insignificance and still experience life as filled with meaning and joy. If you agree, then you likely will not find much illuminating in Krasny's ruminations. When considering whether to read this book, you should take seriously the appearance of "envy" in its title because Krasny comes across as a man with a lot of painfully unattended to emotional needs.

Krasny asks, "[H]ow can I or anyone else make up for the loss of a God who once felt real, comforting, close, and personal. How does one fill that vacuum?" To Krasny, "A world without God seemed comfortless." He seeks, among other things, "a release from the entrapment of life's suffering."

The principal source of Krasny's spiritual pain seems to be "time," as he devotes two chapters to its ravages: Chapter 11, "Accursed Time," and Chapter 12, "Escaping Time." "[T]ime . . . is the mother of suffering," according to Krasny. By time he really means entropy--the inevitability that things fall apart. Krasny is pierced through by the impermanence of existence: "What was there to believe in when all was impermanent? . . . I often felt as if nothingness was the very core of existence. How could life mean anything in the face of death?" Death, to Krasny, is "the ultimate cosmic joke." Perhaps this attitude is something he was brought up with. He reports that his parents "both began the descent into death's clutches frightened and helpless. . . ." When talking about the death of a friend, who despite his Eeyore-like nature gracefully came to terms with his death when the time arrived, Krasny dismisses "the choruses of rhetoric about dying a good death, and death with dignity, and the courage necessary to face death and resign oneself to it, and live in the here and now" as "yapping."

I'm not sure exactly how my acceptance of death came to be but I don't fear its "clutches" or perceive it as a "cosmic joke" that drains all meaning from life. Perhaps a straightforward acceptance of death was something I was brought up with. I had the privilege of sharing my father's death with him several years ago, and he faced his death with matter-of-factness and dignity, without the comfort of any belief in an afterlife. Between resignation and acceptance is a great emotional distance. Acceptance of impermanence is possible when one cultivates experiencing life as a privilege rather than an entitlement.

Krasny's fundamental problem may be his sense that without God "we are, after all, alone." Which is not at all true. We have this life to share with all the other people and living things on our planet. But meaningful relations with others and joy in living itself do not appear to be enough for Krasny.

He tells the story of his esteemed cardiologist friend who "had saved many lives" and also watched many people die: "`I know,' he said to me with the kind of confidence that has helped make him a trusted and gifted physician and a good and loving husband, father, and grandfather, `that were I to die today, it would be okay. I would be fine with it. I've lived nearly seventy years and had a full and fulfilling life and done most everything I set out to do. I could die without regret.'" In response to this, Krasny writes, "Does it, I wonder, get any better than that? Can one ask for more from topsy-turvy life, which can seem like a cosmic joke, doomed to conclude yet yield no answers?" I don't see how one could expect life to get any better than to feel personally fulfilled at a healthy old age by one's relationships and contributions to one's community. What more is Krasny thinking there reasonably could be? The answers are in the living itself.

But Krasny questions whether one can even find the sacred in daily life, "The kinds of activities I write of here are hardly sacred or capable of elevating me to anything beyond the quotidian--as opposed to a higher realm of consciousness that comes close to what traditionally has been called God. Or are they? Is watching a gorgeous sunset, or seeing a deer on a mountain, or looking in awe at the heavenly constellations, or seeing resplendent flowers blooming, or watching a cheetah racing gracefully not a way of feeling elevation that approaches what at least seems like a higher source?" One can cherish the sense of elevation from these experiences without searching for "a higher source."

Krasny longs for powerful insight to be imposed on him from without. "[A]gnostics need to find a way to fill time and amuse and entertain and invent for themselves while waiting for a higher authority or higher meaning that may not arrive." In this yearnful waiting, Krasny appears to cede his own spiritual agency, as if he were not the ultimate author of his own spiritual state. Krasny "would welcome a spiritual regimen, to feel spiritual nourishment or satiety or simply discover an abiding or even an evanescent faith, to experience transcendence or simply to feel the drive to seek enlightenment or follow after some trustworthy pied piper of spirituality, a guru or master strong enough to bend my cognition as well as my will." A suitable spiritual regimen would clearly do Krasny some good but passively "welcoming" it will not. The Buddha did not just happen to sit under a tree one day and have a good idea just serendipitously pop into his head. Spiritual satisfaction, in any tradition, is an ongoing practice of focus, commitment and discipline. And I would not recommend surrendering one's own good judgment over to any other person (pied piper, master, guru, whatever) in the ultimately individual quest for it.

At the end, Krasny pleads, "I still want to know how I, or any agnostic, can feed what may well be innate spiritual hunger when faced with an unremitting vision of spiritual and metaphysical uncertainty and a life fated to expire and a species and a planet all quite possibly moving toward extinction."

In answer to Krasny's quest, I invite him to read the Buddha's poison arrow parable (also called "A Brief Talk to Malukya") and to consider taking up any practices of Buddhism he comes to find nourishing, while leaving aside the metaphysical beliefs, as the Buddha himself suggested: "Whether the world is or is not eternal or the life force is or is not the same as the body, still there is birth, aging, death, sadness, regret, unease, depression, and anxiety. It is the destruction of all of this, in this very world, that I make known." (Culamalukya Sutta; Majjhimanikaya 63, which can be found in Glenn Wallis's Basic Teachings of the Buddha, available at Basic Teachings of the Buddha (Modern Library Classics) ) Coming to terms with the impermanence of existence is one of the focuses of Buddhist practice, and one does not have to buy a word of any of Buddhism's metaphysics (reincarnation, karma, nirvana, etc.) to find great benefit in its practices. Read more ›
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3.0 out of 5 stars Strong on the "Envy" but Weak on the "Quest"
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