Symphonies 7 & 8

Beethoven (Artist), Zinman (Artist), Tonhalle Orchestra Zurich (Artist) | Format: Audio CD

Product Details

• Audio CD (June 16, 1998)
• Number of Discs: 1
• Label: Arte Nova Records
• ASIN: B000007RST
• Average Customer Review: 4.0 out of 5 stars  See all reviews (4 customer reviews)
• Amazon Best Sellers Rank: #565,579 in Music (See Top 100 in Music)

Track Listings

1. Symphony No. 7 In A Major Op. 92: Poco Sostenuto - Vivace

2. Symphony No. 7 In A Major Op. 92: Allegretto

3. Symphony No. 7 In A Major Op. 92: Presto

4. Symphony No. 7 In A Major Op. 92: Allegro Con Brio

5. Symphony No. 8 In F Major Op. 93: Allegro Vivace E Con Brio

6. Symphony No. 8 In F Major Op. 93: Allegretto Scherzando

7. Symphony No. 8 In F Major Op. 93: Tempo Di Menuetto

8. Symphony No. 8 In F Major Op. 93: Allegro Vivace

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11 of 15 people found the following review helpful:

3.0 out of 5 stars Definitely unique, May 1, 2000

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J. Buxton "cantabile" (Waltham, MA United States) - See all my reviews
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This review is from: Symphonies 7 & 8 (Audio CD)

The Penguin Guide lavishes high praise on Zinman's new Beethoven cycle and so I thought I would check it out. For this price, why not? I decided to start with 7 & 8. Zinman is a considerable musical scholar and conductor and there is much to enjoy in these performances. Some of the detail normally glossed over by large orchestras can be heard very well here due to the Zurich Tonhalle's relatively small forces. But in several places in the Seventh and a few places in the Eighth I found myself wondering what I was listening to. Zinman does some strange things with speeds (even by "authentic" standards). I think he follows the metronome markings pretty closely, but to me it just came across as cold. Also, the orchestra sounded thin to me, as if there were only two or three violins and maybe a few woodwinds and brass. In some places this works to advantage, but overall it loses some weight. Definitely a different view of these works, not entirely satisfactory to these ears.

1 of 1 people found the following review helpful:

5.0 out of 5 stars Exploring the Beethoven Symphonies -- Nos. 7 and 8, October 16, 2007

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Robin Friedman (Washington, D.C. United States) - See all my reviews
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This review is from: Symphonies 7 & 8 (Audio CD)

David Zinman and the Tonhalle Orchester Zurich recorded the nine Beethoven symphonies in the mid-1990s using the new "Barenreiter" edition of the scores edited by Jonathan Del Mar. This recording of symphonies 7 and 8 is among the best of the set; and,for symphony no. 7, one of the best available. In his recording of the Seventh, Zinman brings something new to this score: a sense of lightness and grace that is sometimes missing from more ponderous accounts. Zinman endeavors to give period-style performances on modern instruments using tempos that some listeners find too fast. In this recording, he succeeds admirably in bringing out new aspects of this beloved music.

Beethoven's seventh and eighth symphonies date from 1811 -- 1812. He would not compose his final symphony for another 12 years. The symphony no. 7 in A major was famously described by Wagner as the "apotheosis of the dance." The Seventh does not have the "heroic" character of the Third and Fifth Symphonies. Rather, it is a work of never-ending rhythm and movement, of short, repeated and varied themes that speak of ecstasy, gaiety, bacchanalic passion, and tragedy. In his book, "Late Beethoven", Maynard Solomon devotes a learned chapter to the Seventh as the predecessor of Beethoven's late style. Solomon finds the Seventh a mix of classicism and romanticism, and he tries to show the relationship of the musical pulse of each movement with the varied rhythmic patterns of Classical Greek poetry.

I don't know of any recording that captures the swirling lightness of the Seventh in the way that Zinman's does. The highlight of the Seventh is the famous second movement, the Alegretto, which recalls the Funeral March of the the Third Symphony. Zinman takes this movement at a true allegretto -- none too slow -- and in his quicker-paced than customary reading he brings out the beauty and grace of this movement together with its high seriousness. The reading made me want to reflect and to weep, but it also made me want to move with joy -- a rare combination beautifully realized. (I felt something of this in Zinman's reading of Beethoven's late work, the Missa Solemnis).

The remainder of the symphony receives a similarly incandescent reading. This is the last Beethoven symphony with a slow introduction, and Zinman plays it admirably to build up tension and expectation for the swirling Vivace which follows. (Hector Berlioz described the opening movement as a "peasant dance", and Carl Maria von Weber wrote, upon hearing the repeated rhythmic phrase in the bass and cello near the end of the movement that Beethoven was "ready for the madhouse".) The third movement is a vigorous scherzo with a lead role for the horns and a repetition of the trio, similar to that of the Fourth Symphony. And the finale of the Seventh is a movement of true orgiastic frenzy. This is a freshly outstanding reading of a great symphony.

The Symphony no. 8 in F major is the shortest of the nine and, as is the Symphony no. 4, is sometimes unfairly overlooked in favor of its larger companion. After the Eighth failed to win the immediate public approbation that was accorded to the Seventh, Beethoven reputedly told his pupil Carl Czerny, "That's because it's so much better." The Eighth is a work in which classical form is pushed to extreme with its two rough, rowdy and humorous outer movements surrounding two short movements of lyricism. The Eighth is the only one of the symphonies without a true slow movement. The second movement is a lightly-paced allegretto with a lacy, flowing theme over a tick-tock accompaniment. (For many years, this movement was thought to be based upon the invention of the metronome.) The lovely minuet (a recollection of an earlier day) is also graceful and dance-like in character. These two movements are surrounded by a brusque, syncopated and humorous opening movement, the longest in the work, and by a perpetuum mobile finale full of surprises and high humor. The Eighth deserves more accolades than it has received in the pantheon of Beethoven's symphonies, and, if it does not shed new light on the work as does his reading of the Seventh, Zinman's performance is highly convincing and satisfying.

Robin Friedman

3 of 4 people found the following review helpful:

5.0 out of 5 stars Oddly wonderful and unique, September 8, 2006

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David Marsden (Atlanta, GA USA) - See all my reviews
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This review is from: Symphonies 7 & 8 (Audio CD)

Having read the two reviews of this recording, I must voice my disagreement. The key to the seventh is not simply the Allegretto. I prefer to think of the seventh as the apotheosis of the dance, the Allegretto movement simple taking its place as a part of the whole. The marking of Allegretto certain does not imply "funereal forboding" as one writer desires. Certainly the Marcia funebre from the Eroica is more forboding, but its marking is Adagio assai. No, the Allegretto movement should have lilt. It should feel awkwardly proper yet free. Zinman is one of the few interpreters who has captured the Allegretto as a true dance. Gardiner's recording on Archiv with period instruments is another. Regarding tempi, neither Zinman or Gardiner is extraordinarily fast when compared with other conductors. All three of Karajan's contributions tend to move forward, though the legato playing in the strings tends to bog down the momentum. Perhaps the search for the dirge can be found with Bernstein's Vienna Philhamonic recording. His tempo is too slow, certainly not Allegretto, and as usual he reads more into the music than was perhaps intended. Perhaps some remember a poignant moment from the movie Mr. Holland's Opus when Richard Dreyfuss laments Beethoven's loss of hearing while playing an agonizingly slow recording by the Seattle Symphony. Leave the lamentation to Hollywood. Had Beethoven wallowed in his own sorrow, the world may never have known the marvel of his Choral symphony. Had he not gone deaf, the world may never have known the singular masterpieces of his late string quartets. While not a purist, I prefer to enjoy Beethoven symphonies for what they are, rather than find disappointment in what they are not. Sometimes the greatest mystery of all is the realization that there is no mystery. Zinman's interpretation is certainly full of liberties while holding firm to new research by Jonathan Del Mar. I certainly welcome a critical edition recording on modern instruments, and feel that the reduced forces of the Tonhalle Orchestra are more in line with Beethoven's ideal orchestra. Zinman finds the dance in all four movements of the seventh and provides a buoyant, Haydnesque reading of the eighth that is difficult to match.