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Symphonies Nos. 5 and 6 in Full Score (Dover Music Scores)

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Being a Mahler lover, composer, timpanist, and conductor, I constantly pour through recordings and scores of his works. This edition, while a fine orchestral score, is full of errors which Mahler later corrected. While the musical ideas and feeling of the works here are present, there are some details which differ from newer editions. Do not be fooled; every note these scores contain are Mahlers own. But these are first-edition, first performance scores. Mahler was notorious--conductor that he was--for editing and revising his works after premieres. I have looked at other scores, later, more difinitive scores, which show errors, and some are quite audiable in recordings. But for any young conductor to get a flavor for the structure of these works, the Dover edition is the most practical and cost effective score to buy.

Dover isn't your best buy if you're looking for Mahler orchestral scores. This is absolutely true of the Seventh Symphony, which Dover reprinted from the original pressing, with its several hundred errors. This pair of reprints isn't nearly so bad. The score of the Fifth is good: there are one or two misprints, but nothing really crucial. The Sixth however is another story. Dover reprints the first edition of the score ~ which is useful ONLY if you're interested in the history of this score, & then you will supplement it. Mahler subsequently issued a second edition, which was replaced by a third edition, both within months of the first edition. The third edition is the one that has been played & recorded from 1906 through the early 1960s, when the awful critical edition was released, & the critical edition is essentially the third edition without the transposition of the two inner movements.
What are the differences between the first & the third editions? Mahler rescored the work so that there are differences of scoring on almost every page: to take one example, the final chord of the first movement in the first edition uses a bass drum & cymbals. These are gone in the third edition. Between the first & the third editions, Mahler reversed the order of the two middle movements, deleted the third hammer blow, & altered the performance instructions on every other page. As just one example of the last, at cue 80 in the Scherzo, where the Scherzo section is repeated for the last time, in the first edition Mahler doesn't instruct the performer to return to the original tempo of the Scherzo (in fact, there's no tempo instruction at all), so that if one is going to perform this as it stands in the score, one reprises the scherzo at the slow tempo of the section before. This is clearly an oversight that Mahler corrected in the third edition, with the instruction Tempo I. subito. & in the bars around this cue, the instructions in the third edition are either not found in the first edition at all or are different.
The third hammer blow is a crucial deletion. I happen to like the third hammer blow, but my view is that these two editions are different & shouldn't be conflated. If you want the third hammer blow, you perform the first edition; if you want to perform the third edition, you do without the third hammer blow. What do these hammer blows mean? That's anyone's guess. It would seem that Mahler started out with five hammer blows: three where we find them in the first edition, the fourth at the first ff of the introduction, & the fifth at the corresponding point in the return of the introduction. Did Mahler delete the third hammer blow (of the first edition) because of some superstitious fear? We don't have his word for it, & if he did start with five hammer blows, then it seems quite unlikely; all we have is Alma's testimony, & Alma is an absolutely unreliable witness. Not only did she arrogate to herself the office of final interpreter of Mahler's works as if they were her property (& work), but she makes assertions that are contrary to fact & simply impossible given the biographical details. So much of what she says about Mahler's music generally, seems like so much fabrication. It's much better to understand Mahler on his own terms & forget about what Alma says. So it would seem that between the first & the third editions, if Mahler did start out with five hammer blows, he decided that the third remaining hammer blow really lacked the structural justification of the other two hammer blows. In any case, the version that Dover has reprinted is historically interesting as a first & subsequently discarded version of the work, but of no interest for the performing history of the Sixth & for what appear to be Mahler's final intentions regarding it. One hopes that there will be a new critical edition of this work that follows a defensible editorial policy.

Although the fifth seems more accurate, the Sixth has so many errors that some times I just get lost. However in dover's defense I haven't found a Mahler score that hasn't left something out. An okay buy for the price range, but could be better

Probably my favorite Mahler Symphony, his Symphony No. 5 was the first I ever saw performed. It's a fantastic work and, unlike his "Tragic" Symphony No. 6, the tragedy from the opening Funeral March is reconciled by the exhuberent and boistrous finale. The very last section of the fourth movement to the end has a triumphant feel (and even sound and structure) reminiscent to Tschaikowsky's Symphonic finales. The Tragic 6th is a great piece to study, but, for me, can be very weary as the symphony does not more then briefly rise above meloncholy.

A great large score, the print is very readable and there a few translations for the German text (though, having a completely German version of the score, there are several instructions that have been left out). It lies flat on the desk or music stand, which is a great plus. Lastly, it's inexpensive, which makes it a must for Music students and I highly reccommend it to professionals and listeners alike.

It is ok to buy this, if you don't have to conduct it. For listening and "just" studying it's ok, but it has so different orchestration in some places, errors and stuff like that that if you make a mistake going in front of an orchestra with it, you're in trouble.
Better buy Universal Edition (or try to get some library score), if you are seriously interested.
Of course the real edition price is probably 5 times bigger but in conductor's wages it doesn't matter, doesn't it :) ?
Of the music: both symphonies are great masterpieces, the Adagietto from 5th is heavenly...

If you can read a score and want to figure out how Mahler achieves his tonal textures as you're listening to a performance, a pocket score isn't much use; this one fills the bill. If you're more interested in posturing about which version of the various ones available is the most "authentic", a Dover score is at least cost-effective as a strawman. To me, it doesn't matter if all the notes aren't exactly the same as what I'm hearing as I go through it. This version is cleanly printed and handles nicely. I purchased it because I didn't like the one that the library had. Although I got it for the sixth, I'm looking forward to using it on the fifth someday downstream.

notes are easy to read. The scores are large, so the book has several hundred pages....Overall a good bargain for such large works. The quality pretty good I think and the durability is about the best you could expect from paperback or softcover...The usual from Dover. No complaints here....I've ordered scores from Dover for several years, and if nothing else, the quality is very consistent.

Any music fan of Mahler, should get this excellent Full Score of his 5th and 6th Symphonies. It has a great little German to English Dictionary in the front of the book and explains what the terms in the score that Mahler wrote in German. I highly suggest this book to any Mahler fan, to any classical music listener, student, or conductor!!!

All three of these books are a gift for my grandson so I cannot comment on the content of them. This one was received on time.