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Talk of the Devil: Encounters with Seven Dictators [Paperback]

Riccardo Orizio (Author), Avril Bardoni (Translator)
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March 1, 2004
Inspired by newspaper clippings he had kept about two former African dictators accused of cannibalism, journalist Riccardo Orizio set out to track down tyrants around the world who had fallen from power—to see if they had gained any perspective on their actions, or if their lives and thoughts could shed any light on our own. The seven encounters chronicled in Talk of the Devil reveal Orizio’s gift as an observer and his skill at getting people to reveal themselves. They are also, each of them, memorable stories in their own right.

Thanks to his conversion to Islam, the unrepentant Idi Amin lives in exile in Saudi Arabia and laughs off his murderous past while still attempting to meddle in Uganda. Jean-Bedel Bokassa, the bloody former emperor of Central Africa, boasts astonishingly that Pope Paul VI had nominated him as the thirteenth apostle of the Catholic Church. Nexhmije Hoxha defends her husband’s brutal Stalinist regime from her Albanian prison cell and proudly explains how it worked. Paris-based Jean-Claude “Baby Doc” Duvalier—in his first interview since fleeing Haiti in 1986—speaks about voodoo and the women of his life, and laments the loss of his fortune. Colonel Mengistu Haile-Mariam of Ethiopia, Mira Markovic (Slobodan Milosevic’s wife), and General Wojciech Jaruzelski, the former Polish head of state, all claim, in one way or another, that history will do them justice.

By turns chilling and comical, rational and absurd, Talk of the Devil brings back into focus forgotten history and people we have viewed as evil incarnate. Stripped of their power and titles, they are oddly human, and in Orizio’s hands, their stories, and his own, are compulsively readable.

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The "devils" in this series of stakeouts are disgraced, deposed dictators, and one thing's for sure: they're not about to apologize for the atrocities they and their underlings committed. An Italian journalist, Orizio travels around the world to speak with leaders ranging from Uganda's Idi Amin to the Polish Communist Gen. Wojciech Jaruzelski. Only those leaders who have not truly been rehabilitated qualify under Orizio's criteria. The results, while generally strong, are a bit uneven. Some of the interviews are stunning-the current wife of former Haitian ruler "Baby Doc" Duvalier defends her husband's regime as bringing equality to darker-skinned Haitians, while the former Ethiopian ruler Haile Mengistu defends his reign of terror as necessary to fight "chaos." These aren't people about to reform their ways. In fact, several of the leaders, or in some cases their wives, appear to be planning for dictatorship redux. In Albania, for instance, the wife of Stalinist Enver Hoxha gets out of jail and begins campaigning for a return to power. "The forces of obscurantism have destroyed the Socialist system in Albania," she says. Other trips are less fruitful. Orizio's search for Idi Amin in Jedda, Saudi Arabia, where he now lives as a fervent Muslim, seems like a wild goose chase until, as Orizio's about to give up and leave, he's granted a few minutes with the notorious Amin. But even there, the author weaves in enough history to make the chapter worthwhile. This tale of a journalist looking for former tyrants now living in relative obscurity is entertaining and raises provocative questions about what these men deserve for their cruel reigns. 7 b&w photos.
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Here's an interesting project for a journalist: track down notorious former dictators, and see how they're doing these days. Orizio's unusual odyssey took him from Paris to Africa and deep--sometimes too deep--inside the minds of several men and women who once held entire countries in the palms of their hands. Here's Idi Amin, living in exile in Saudi Arabia but still, or so it seems, believing he can influence Uganda, the country he once ruled. Here's Mira Markovic, the wife and co-conspirator of Slobodan Milosovic. Here are Jead-Bedel Bokassa, who once ruled Central Africa, and "Baby Doc" Duvalier, in his first interview since leaving Haiti 17 years ago. The author approaches his subjects objectively; if he were tempted to paint them as monsters, or as cartoonish villains, he ignored the temptation completely. If these men and women come off as villains, they are hung by their own words, by their own distorted views of the world and their places in it. An immensely valuable and memorable book. David Pitt
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Product Details

  • Paperback: 224 pages
  • Publisher: Walker & Company (March 1, 2004)
  • Language: English
  • ISBN-10: 0802776922
  • ISBN-13: 978-0802776921
  • Product Dimensions: 8.1 x 5.3 x 0.7 inches
  • Shipping Weight: 6.4 ounces
  • Average Customer Review: 3.7 out of 5 stars  See all reviews (13 customer reviews)
  • Amazon Best Sellers Rank: #780,367 in Books (See Top 100 in Books)

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4.0 out of 5 stars Where Are They Now?, August 21, 2003
Those seeking detailed biographies of the dictators Italian journalist Orizio tracks down, or penetrating histories and analyses of the years of their respective rule should turn elsewhere, as this is not the book for them. Instead, this is an oddly compelling mix of investigatory reportage and "Where Are They Now?" for readers with an interest in international events. Anyone looking for rigor and meticulous detail will not be pleased with the short chapters such as those on Idi Amin or Bokassa, in which Orizio spends more time recounting his efforts to find his quarry than actually talking to them. This is not necessarily a bad thing though, for the sad truth of the book is that these dictators may have come from a range of cultural and economic backgrounds, but they all end up saying the same thing.

In his preface, Orizio writes that "I deliberately chose those who had fallen from power in disgrace, because those who fall on their feet tend not to examine their own conscience." However, the cliché of the banality of evil fulfills itself, as every single interviewee has the same lies, excuses, and delusions as the others (except for Bokassa, who insists the Pope secretly proclaimed him the 13th Apostle). Unrepentence is rife, as the interviewees trot out the same old chestnuts:"history will vindicate me", "the crimes I'm accused of are all lies perpetrated by my enemies", "my country was better off under me, " "I love my people/country." Clearly none of them have any interest in or incentive for honest examination of their rule, indeed, at this point belief in their own mythology is probably an ingrained psychological self-defense mechanism.

Orizio does present a brief sketch of each dictator's country, and of the history of their rule. We find that hand in hand with the psychological similarity is a methodological similarity in rule. Rise to power based on ideology (or voodoo in the case of Baby Doc), consolidation of power via construction of cult of personality enforced by secret police, leading to corruption, cronyism, and systematic transfer of national wealth to Swiss bank accounts. The odd man out in all this is General Jaruzelski, who instituted martial law in Poland in 1981, and whose hands are vastly less bloody than those of the six others in the book. Indeed, one is almost tempted into feeling sorry for him, lumped in with the half-dozen Marxists, Maoists, Ultranationalists, and nut cases who ruined their countries. The book is an excellent introduction to some creepy, and yes, evil, figures from the recent past. Mengistu, for example, is completely forgotten in the U.S., and the distinctly creepy Hoxha couple of Albania are totally unknown.

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10 of 12 people found the following review helpful:
2.0 out of 5 stars Good but Light Read, June 10, 2003
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"Talk of the Devil" by Riccardo Orizio is a journalist's quest to interview famous past dictators. The focus of the book is both on the subjects and on author's efforts to find them, and this detracts from the result.

The dictators (or their spouses) are an interesting assortment, but certainly not expansive. There are three from Africa (Idi Amin Dada, Mengistu Haile-Mariam and Jean-Bedel Bokassa), three from Europe (Wojciech Jaruzelski, Nexhimije Hoxha and Mira Markovic) and one from the Western Hemisphere (Jean-Claude Duvalier). The author omitted South American dictators from his sample, and no Asian or Arab dictators are sought or found.

My interest in ethics drew me to the book: I had hoped to find some concepts or ideas that drove these people to make such terrible choices. However, while Orizio is a fine journalist, his writing and interview style did not easily aid me in my goal. Generally, most denied they did anything unethical, called their accusors liars, and appeared unable to distinguish between their own fortunes and that of their countries.

The Africans in particular were very uneven: Dada was not sufficiently interviewed and Bokassa came across as clinically insane. Mariam claims to be a dedicated Marxist, but he also oddly admits to have shopped around for superpower allies after taking power. One almost gets the impression that, had the US been willing to assist him, he might have been a Capitalist. But neither the US nor Maoist China provided support, and Russia's Marxism-Leninism won him over by default.

Like the others, Haiti's Jean-Claude Duvalier appeared to seriously believe he was good for his nation, and beloved there still.

Orizio never really interviewed three European dictators. He interviewed the two wives (albeit strong-willed and perhaps powerful) and Poland's Jaruzelski. Of these, Jaruzelski clearly does not belong in this company (and probably does not belong in the book): of all of the persons interviewed, he is introspective and thoughtful. His lapdog-like devotion to the Soviet Union, even after that nation so brutalized him and his family, reminds one of a person suffering from Stockholm Syndrome.

And there is what the book lacks: footnotes, endnotes, an index, decent photographs, consistent organization, good historical information on the dictatorships and their horrors, and a better editor. But what the journalist needed most was probably a fixed set of good questions to ask each individual, and perhaps a psychologist sidekick to join in the travels.

While Orizio certainly crafted a readable book, he provides little new to help us understand what happened, and why.

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10 of 12 people found the following review helpful:
5.0 out of 5 stars A sort of VH-1 Behind the Despot, May 21, 2003
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sporkdude "sporkdude" (San Jose, Ca United States) - See all my reviews
This book is based on a great concept. Throughout recent history, there have been notorious dictators who, though years ago, dominated our headlines while now are merely footnotes in history books. Riccardo Orizio decides to find seven of these dictators ,interview them, find out what they have been up to, and what they feel about there reign.

Each dictator takes a chapter, and the readers learns about their past, their feelings, and their own view of themselves, which proves extremely fascinating. In each chapter, Riccardo details his ordeals on reaching these fallen dictators, a short history of what they did, and what they are currently up to. Riccardo does a great job of simultaneously making fun of and humanizing these individuals. He also provides insight into there current lives, from Idi Amin's sons, one of whom played basketball in Boston College, the other being a military terrorist being help by Idi himself, to Slobadon Milosevic's wife, who plays the role of a tortured, loyal wife.

I think the main problem of this book is that it is too addictive. It's a short book, so while I intended to have this book last me a week, I couldn't put in down. I bought at noon, and I finished before dinner. One complaint might be that the interviews and background information are not thorough. While true, I think that by leaving out the text book information, he was able to immerse the reader with the dictator's lives and provide great fluidity.

All in all, it's a great idea that proves too addictive to put down.

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