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P.D. James (Author)
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October 15, 2009
P. D. James examines the genre of detective fiction from top to bottom, beginning with the mystery plots at the hearts of such novels as Great Expectations and Jane Eyre, and bringing us firmly into the present with such writers as Amanda Cross and Henning Mankell. Along the way she writes about Arthur Conan Doyle, Dorothy L. Sayers, Agatha Christie, Edgar Allan Poe, Wilkie Collins, and Josephine Tey, among many others. She traces the facts of their lives into and out of their work; clarifies their individual styles; and gives us indelible portraits of the characters they've created: from Sherlock Holmes, "the unchallenged Great Detective," to Sara Paretsky's spunky, sexually liberated female investigator, V. I. Warshawski. She compares British and American "Golden Age" mystery writing, including the groundbreaking work of Dashiell Hammett and Raymond Chandler. She discusses detective fiction as social history; the stylistic components of the genre; her own process of writing; how critics have reacted over the years (Edmund Wilson hated it, W.H. Auden was "addicted"); and what she sees as a renewal of detective stories—and of the detective hero—in recent years. Here is the perfect marriage of writer and subject—essential reading for every lover of detective fiction.
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A Q&A with P.D. James

Question: What made you decide to write a book about detective fiction?

P.D. James: I wrote my book, Talking About Detective Fiction, because the Bodleian Library, one of the great libraries of the world, asked me to write about detective fiction in aid of the Library. I said I would do so when I had finished writing The Private Patient. Detective fiction has fascinated me both as a reader and a novelist for over 50 years, and I enjoyed revisiting the books of the Golden Age which have given me such pleasure, and describing how I myself set out on the task of writing a detective story which can be both an exciting mystery and a good novel.

Question: How do you explain our seemingly unending appetite for mysteries? What is it about the mystery that so engages our minds and imagination?

P.D. James: The human race has had an appetite for mysteries from the earliest writings and no doubt tales of mystery and murder were recounted by our remote ancestors round the camp fires by the tribal storyteller. Murder is the unique crime, the only one for which we can make no reparation, and has always been greeted with a mixture of repugnance, horror, fear, and fascination. We are particularly intrigued by the motives which cause a man or woman to step across the invisible line which separates a murderer from the rest of humanity. Human beings also love a puzzle and a strong story, and mysteries have both.

Question: Do you think there is (or was) a Golden Age of detective fiction?

P.D. James: The years between the two world wars are generally regarded as the Golden Age of detective fiction and certainly, in England in particular, there was a surge of excellent writing. The detective story became immensely popular and a number of very talented writers were engaged in the craft. I feel that there are so many good novelists writing mysteries today that we may well be entering a second Golden Age.

Question: Do you feel that your own Adam Dalgliesh owes anything to any particular literary detectives who came before him?

P.D. James: I don't feel that Adam Dalgliesh owes anything to a particular literary detective as the heroes of the mystery novels which I particularly enjoyed in the Golden Age were usually amateurs, and I was anxious to create a professional detective.

Question: If you were to recommend 3 or 4 books that represent the best of detective fiction in all its forms, which books would they be?

P.D. James: It is difficult to know what books to recommend as personal taste plays such a large part and modern readers may feel out of touch with the Golden Age mysteries which I so much enjoyed. Among them are The Moonstone by Wilkie Collins, Tiger in the Smoke by Margery Allingham, Murder Must Advertise by Dorothy L. Sayers, and Tragedy at Law by Cyril Hare. It would take a much longer list to represent the mystery in all its forms, and it would certainly include the American hard-boiled school.

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One of the most widely read and respected writers of detective fiction, James (The Private Patient) explores the genre's origins (focusing primarily on Britain) and its lasting appeal. James cites Wilkie Collins's The Moonstone, published in 1868, as the first detective novel and its hero, Sergeant Cuff, as one of the first literary examples of the professional detective (modeled after a real-life Scotland Yard inspector). As for Conan Doyle's Sherlock Holmes stories, James argues that their staying power has as much to do with the gloomy London atmosphere, the enveloping miasma of mystery and terror, as with the iconic sleuth. Devoting much of her time to writers in the Golden Age of British detective fiction (essentially between the two world wars), James dissects the work of four heavyweights: Agatha Christie, Dorothy L. Sayers, Margery Allingham and Ngaio Marsh. Though she's more appreciative of Marsh and Allingham (declaring them novelists, not merely fabricators of ingenious puzzles), James acknowledges not only the undeniable boost these women gave to the genre but their continuing appeal. For crime fiction fans, this master class from one of the leading practitioners of the art will be a real treat. 9 illus. (Dec.)
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Product Details

  • Paperback: 159 pages
  • Publisher: Imprint unknown (October 15, 2009)
  • Language: English
  • ISBN-10: 0571253555
  • ISBN-13: 978-0571253555
  • Product Dimensions: 8.4 x 5.3 x 0.6 inches
  • Shipping Weight: 7.8 ounces
  • Average Customer Review: 4.4 out of 5 stars  See all reviews (24 customer reviews)
  • Amazon Best Sellers Rank: #2,705,954 in Books (See Top 100 in Books)

More About the Author

P. D. James is the author of twenty previous books, most of which have been filmed and broadcast on television in the United States and other countries. She spent thirty years in various departments of the British Civil Service, including the Police and Criminal Law Departments of Great Britain's Home Office. She has served as a magistrate and as a governor of the BBC. In 2000 she celebrated her eightieth birthday and published her autobiography, Time to Be in Earnest. The recipient of many prizes and honors, she was created Baroness James of Holland Park in 1991 and was inducted into the International Crime Writing Hall of Fame in 2008. She lives in London and Oxford.

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79 of 81 people found the following review helpful:
5.0 out of 5 stars Significant clues from a master of the genre, December 7, 2009
My best birthday present this year is this well written little book by a master [mistress?] of detective fiction. James argues that detective fiction is most popular during difficult times -- reason and ingenuity may again prevail.

"Whether we live in a more violent age than did, for example, the Victorians is a question for statisticians and sociologists, but we certainly feel more threatened by crime and disorder than at any other time I remember in my long life. The detective story deals with the most dramatic and tragic manifestations of man's nature and the ultimate disruption of murder, yet the form itself is orderly, controlled, formulaic, providing a secure structure within which the imaginations of writer and reader alike can confront the unthinkable."

It is great fun to read James's views on her predecessors in the detection writing trade; although most of her subjects were British, she admires Edgar Allan Poe for four great contributions to the form: the locked-room, armchair detection, cryptography and the unlikely perp. (For Kindle owners, Classic American Literature: The Works of Poe, Raven Edition, all 5 volumes in a single file, with active table of contents is a marvelous bargain at only $.99.)

James is troubled that Agatha Christie has eclipsed so many of her contemporaries.

"Agatha Christie hasn't in my view had a profound influence on the later development of the detective story.... She wasn't an innovative writer and had no interest in exploring the possibilities of the genre." She goes on: Christie "is a literary conjuror who places her pasteboard characters face downwards and shuffles them with practiced cunning." Nonetheless, James especially likes female detective writers, especially Margery Allingham, Josephine Tey, Ngaio Marsh, Dorothy L. Sayers and Sara Paretsky.

James finds Dr. Watson a much more honorable and realistic figure than Sherlock Holmes; she bangs away at many of the weaknesses of the series with all the fervor of the most committed Baker Street Irregular. (Sherlock Holmes By Gas Lamp: Highlights from the First Four Decades of the Baker Street Journal contains a number of similar analyses. The first Comment contains a detailed discussion of what troubles James.)

James praises The Moonstone by Wilkie Collins because it introduced elements of everyday life into detective stories. She discusses the influence of real crime stories on the genre (including details about the unsolved murder and investigator that inspired Collins), the popularity of books sold in train stations (quoting the "Times" of London "on the assumption that persons of the better class who constitute the larger portion of railway readers lose their accustomed taste the moment they enter the station,") and the importance of magazines.

She particularly praises the the demise of "the omni-talented amateur with apparently nothing to do with his time but solve murders which interest him." She believes this has occurred "partly because his rich and privileged lifestyle became less admirable, and his deferential acceptance by police less credible, in an age when men were expected to work."

James is particularly compelling when she writes about her own work. An interview on CBCNews is a fair example of her style in this book:

"Q: What has it been like to have Adam Dalgliesh in your life for so long?

"A: When I began, I didn't know he'd be a serial character, and of course there's the challenge of having readers suspend their disbelief. He hasn't aged that much over 40 years and each novel is set in the time of its writing. But I did try to create a character that was someone I'd really like. I gave Dalgliesh the qualities I admire in both men and women: he's good-looking, highly intelligent, compassionate but not sentimental, and reserved. It was important too that he was a character who could develop. I never wanted to know him too well. I think Agatha Christie got rather fed up with Hercule Poirot at the end, because she had made him both too old and just too bizarre."

(She might have said the same of Sherlock Holmes; Sir Conan Doyle certainly complained in public about the great detective's amazing popularity and the later stories show some of his dislike for the character.)

James emphasizes the humanity of the characters and the writers she praises. "Before he even planned the Father Brown stories, Chesterton wrote that `the only thrill, even of a common thriller, is concerned somehow with the conscience and the will.' Those words have been part of my credo as a writer. They may not be framed and on my desk but they are never out of my mind."

James enlives the book with delightful cartoons; for example, the caption for a butler bearing a tray, "Your red herring. My Lord."

The jacket oversells the book -- "[James]" examines the genre from top to bottom." The book is too short to do that, of course, but this is a marvelous sampling of many significant writers, characters and developments in my favorite escapist genre.

Robert C. Ross 2009
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49 of 51 people found the following review helpful:
5.0 out of 5 stars This is a marvelous and instructive work by the mistress of detective fiction, December 11, 2009
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Imagine Copernicus explaining astronomy to you, or Einstein teaching you physics, or Moses clarifying difficult biblical passages that confused clergy and prompted discord and even wars. Imagine also that the expert could write clearly, interestingly and with wit, such as Sigmund Freud explaining the principles of psychology with examples from fascinating case studies.

This is what happens with P.D. James marvelous book. James is the queen of modern detective fiction, certainly, without any doubt, one of the royal family.

James states that mystery novels are composed of several basic elements: a crime, usually murder; a small circle of suspects, each having a motive to commit the crime; opportunity; a detective; and a solution that is inserted into the novel with deceptive cunning, but with fairness. The last point means that readers will realize when they hear the detective's solution that the solution fits what was disclosed previously in the novel.

James describes the differences between detective stories, thrillers and horror tales. Each genre has its own elements and its own purposes. A reader who knows the elements and purposes can appreciate the tale better. Detective stories, she writes, do not, or at least should not, investigate a murder or another crime; nor should they dwell on the bizarre happenings; they should focus on the tragic fate of the people involved.

James describes the history of detective fiction and introduces her readers to over a dozen of the best writers, generally focusing on British women. She gives special attention to Agatha Christie, Dorothy L. Sayers, Margery Allingham and Ngaio Marsh. She discusses the strength and weaknesses of these stories, their history, psychology and sociology.

James is not reluctant to reveal her opinions on the authors she dislikes. She describes Agatha Christie disparagingly. She states that her style is neither original nor elegant and she is not a very good writer. Her characters are pasteboards. James writes cleverly: "Perhaps her greatest strength was that she never overstepped the limits of her talent."

Scholars, she reveals, differ as to who wrote the first detective story. Some say it was Caleb Williams in 1784. Some insist it was Edgar Allan Poe who invented the genre in1841 with The Murder in Rue Morgue. Others vote for Wilkie Collins' The Moonstone in 1860. James prefers the latter. She tells the fascinating true story that prompted The Moonstone.

James identifies the first great detective as the iconic Sherlock Holmes who Conan Doyle introduced in 1887 in A Study in Scarlet. Doyle was so enthralled and naïve that he sold his rights to this masterpiece for twenty five pounds.

James awards second place to G. K. Chesterton who began his Father Brown series in 1911. The tales were so delightful that few readers realized that they were never told the priest's first name.

James' book addresses many interesting questions. Why do some critics disparage some or all detective stories? What about these books attracts readers? Can people read detective stories more than once with pleasure? Do Protestants enjoy the books more than Catholics? How do readers experience relief of tensions? Why do many people like to read these tension filled novels in bed before sleeping? How do today's detective stories differ from those written in the past?

Those readers who enjoy deductive fiction will enjoy James' perceptive descriptions of it written with the same verve that she employs in her dramas.
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27 of 30 people found the following review helpful:
4.0 out of 5 stars Talking Elegantly and Selectively, December 19, 2009
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A typically well-written book by James, though it nowhere comes close to replacing Julian Symons' classic "Bloody Murder" as a comprehensive survey of the detective fiction genre, being quite short (almost pamphlet size) and selective in its coverage. A great deal of "Talking About Detective Fiction" is given over to authors from the so-called British Golden Age of detective fiction (roughly 1920 to 1940), particularly the Crime Queens (Christie, Sayers, Allingham, Marsh and sometimes Tey). James touches on some writers who may not be familiar to her readers, like Gladys Mitchell and Cyril Hare, as well as the American hardboiled triumvirate of Hammett, Chandler and Macdonald, but many significant names are left out (such as S. S. Van Dine, Ellery Queen, Anthony Berkeley/Francis Iles, Freeman Wills Crofts and John Dickson Carr), giving a rather narrow picture of the period. Her readers, for example, might come away with the impression that no American wrote traditional puzzles during the Golden Age, or that British women detective novelists outnumbered the men. Neither impression would be accurate.

As one reviewer has noted, James is rather disparaging toward Christie, though this is nothing new for James, who has been rather disparaging toward Christie for decades now. What is new is that James admits rereading some Christie and finding some of her works, like A Murder Is Announced, better than she recalled. One wishes James had gone back and read, say, Five Little Pigs, And Then There Were None, Endless Night or The Hollow; she might have altered her assertion that Christie simply creates pasteboard characters in whom the reader can have no possible interest apart from their contribution to the puzzle. Christie's continued great sales decade after decade would suggest that many readers are finding something in her books besides puzzles, for many ingenious puzzler contemporaries of Christie's have been forgotten. In Five Little Pigs, for example, Christie clearly has moved closer to a novel of character while at the same time providing readers with a teasing puzzle. Endless Night, published late in Christie's life, actually is more a "crime novel" in the modern mold. Even some of what are commonly seen as her pure puzzles, such as The Murder of Roger Ackroyd and The Murder at the Vicarage, are village satires with clever first person narration. And of course many of her "mere puzzles," like The ABC Murders, are sheer brilliance. And dare I say that Hercule Poirot and Miss Marple, mannerisms and all, are more memorable characters than James' poet-policeman, Adam Dalgleish? Time will tell on that one ultimately, but in the meantime to conclude that Christie was not an innovator and that she had no interest in exploring her chosen genre seems simply wrong to me.

It should surprise no one who has followed James' career over the decades that she is a great admirer of Dorothy L. Sayers, long the pretender to Christie's throne. James not only admires Sayers' novels (though she criticizes some of the murder methods in them on grounds of realism), she emulates Sayers as a critic, elevating, as Sayers did, the Victorian sensation novels of Wilkie Collins as the model for the modern detective novel. Like the novels of Sayers, the novels of James have grown longer and longer over the years, with more and more emphasis on character study and description of place and less and less emphasis on clever puzzle mechanics. James sees this "realism" as making the detective novel stronger, something closer to the mainstream novel. Some mystery fans might feel that James' later books have become too much like mainstream novels and prefer earlier ones where the author placed more emphasis on providing her readers with a clever puzzle. Still, there is no question but that the Baroness remains, at nearly ninety years of age, an articulate and charming writer in "Talking About Detective Fiction"; and her admirers should enjoy this little book.
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