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Initial post: Jun 2, 2014 12:41:30 PM PDT
I've attended countless YES concerts in my long life and it was always my version of church. I always felt joy no matter the various lineups. As long as Jon and Chris were present, it was complete. Now we have what sounds like a good YES cover band.
I'm sad. Is Rick Dagger the new singer for the Rolling Stones ?

Posted on Jun 2, 2014 1:17:59 PM PDT
Kirk Lott says:
Go post on Jon's page and ask him why he's quit Yes 3 times? Wanker.

Posted on Jun 3, 2014 1:50:37 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on Jun 3, 2014 1:52:12 PM PDT
zlh67 says:
I can see this view of "No Anderson = No "Yes", but since the Anderson-less Yes is the only one touring, I actually went and saw them last year. I'm a drummer and big fan of Alan White and of Squire and Howe too, so while I would have much preferred to have had Anderson aboard, he wasn't, so there ya go. I was definitely concerned about how well ANYONE could fill his shoes -- it hadn't gone so well with Trevor Horn the first time they tried it -- I went anyway. And I have to say, based on what I saw and heard that night and what Jon Anderson's voice sounds like on the last thing I heard him sing on (The Living Tree album w-Rick Wakeman), I have to say I think they would not have sounded as good with Jon Anderson singing as they did with the new guy. Jon Anderson from 20 or even 10 years ago would have mopped the floor with Davison but Anderson's voice seems to have weakened after his recent health problems.

Of course Anderson is the unquestioned heart and soul of Yes' classic catalog so for forging ahead with new material etc, I'd much rather have Anderson's songwriting and lyrics, but this was the band playing 3 of their classic albums (The Yes Album, CTTE & GFT1) and I thought the new kid nailed it at least as good and probably better than the Jon Anderson of 2013 could have. Sorry...

I'm a big Roger Waters fan and could never get into Pink Floyd without him even a little bit, so I *do* hear where you're coming from, but the bottom line is Squire owns the "Yes" name and Anderson was unable/unwilling to record and tour when they needed him to, so.... they carried on same as Pink Floyd did when Roger Waters left. If you don't like it, don't buy the albums or see the shows, but as I told a friend of mine who was contemplating getting tickets to their upcoming tour in Michigan, "Go see them. They are surprisingly good even without Anderson and you won't be disappointed." And Anderson-Wakeman are his two favorite members, so it'll be interesting to see how he likes the show. I'd go see 'em again but they're not coming to my town this time around....

Posted on Jun 3, 2014 8:33:55 PM PDT
Richard H. says:
Anderson hasn't been with Yes for a number of years now. It is time to get over it. The replacement lead singers have done a pretty good job filling in the very large vocal shoes of Anderson. If you don't like it, go home, put on Yessongs and listen to the good ole days.

Posted on Jun 5, 2014 6:36:25 AM PDT
Phil Palmer says:
K. Lott's assessment of Jon 1 was a tad harsh, I think - Squire essentially asked him to sit out the last time, as he was hot to tour and Jon wasn't immediately ready or willing - and then Wakeman, who's made a career of quitting this band and then trashing it, was undoubtedly the little red guy on Jon's left shoulder...I too, as a lifelong fan, am not holding my breath for anything as fresh and risky as CTTE or Relayer with the new lineup...but if you get past the whole 'Chris Squire's Yes/Sorta/Maybe Tent Show' arguing, just listen objectively - "Fly From Here" and the aptly-named "Drama" had really good stuff - and there are also Jon 1 albums that totally suck ( "Open your Eyes"?! I'm still trying to close my ears! ) Give the new lad a chance, and remember - RTB is behind the board this time - worth a listen for that, at least! Like the great bop and avante jazz bands that these guys were weaned on knew, fresh blood can be good - I just hope they 'pump' the blood hard enough to keep them off the state fair circuit...( but then at least normal people could afford tickets )!

Posted on Jun 5, 2014 9:15:07 AM PDT
Tigran Haas says:
Geoff Downes has filled Wakeman's shoes in a big way and maybe, just maybe better this time around as he brings a sound that YES needs now...Actually one can live without Jon Anderson and this lineup is great...when u hear them u will know...last studio album was the best thing after Trevor Rabin's times so YES PROGRESSIVELY ROCKS!

Posted on Jun 5, 2014 7:53:13 PM PDT
I just heard the new single -- "Believe Again" -- and thought I'd add my two cents with a preliminary review:

Yes' "Heaven & Earth" isn't due out until July, but the opening track "Believe Again" has already surfaced on Soundcloud. So, how does the new Yes music sound? Overall, my impression is positive, even if the track does sound like it was made by a band playing it safe. The song begins with some haunting but graceful notes from Steve followed by some uplifting keyboard riffs from Geoff. Singer Jon Davison makes a strong entry and he is soon supported by Chris Squire's spot on backing vocals. "Believe Again" begins in promising fashion; the music is fresh, melodic, and seems firmly within the tradition of 70's Yes. So far, so good. The song also features a nifty instrumental interlude, a typically tasteful guitar solo from maestro Howe, an economic keyboard solo and fine textural work by Downes, and some classy percussion from White. Did I forget to mention the peerless bass work from Squire?

At nearly 8 minutes long, however, the song ultimately seems to meander. With Anderson at the helm, Yes' best music had a structure and vision. "Believe Again" is certainly pleasant - and at times genuinely uplifting and impressive - but the song lacks a certain edge and gravitas. An enjoyable musical ride, to be sure, but there is not much here that pushes the envelope or really grabs the listener.
Reviewed by Scott O'Reilly author of "Yes and Philosophy."

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 6, 2014 12:17:19 PM PDT
Kirk Lott says:
Phil - my comment was not harsh at all, and totally true.

Anderson didn't need income like the rest, since he invariably grabbed writing credits for himself - at the expense of others - and makes about $300,000 per year, mostly off Yes publishing categories.

Since HSW often didn't get sufficient publishing credits, they need to tour to make a living. After Anderson put the band on ice for 4 years, he finally decided they could tour again in 2008 - and then whoops, he got sick!

HSW wisely decided if they don't go out now, Yes would die. I will also remind you that in fall 2008 with B. David and O. Wakeman they toured as "Howe Squire White of Yes" - NOT as Yes.

It wasn't until 2009 when it was clear that Anderson couldn't tour again - ever - that they went on as Yes.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 6, 2014 12:18:34 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on Jun 6, 2014 12:19:08 PM PDT
Kirk Lott says:
Scott - your assessment is a bit harsh. Believe Again is easily one of the best Yessongs since the 70s. For post-70s, it's up there with Endless Dream, Mind Drive, That That Is, Homeworld, In the Presence Of, Dreamtime, etc.

A very good track, and much better than *anything* on FFH. Fans will be pleased.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 6, 2014 1:11:59 PM PDT
zlh67 says:
"...he invariably grabbed writing credits for himself - at the expense of others"


Kirk -- mind if I ask where you're getting this? I'm not disputing it because I don't know the inner workings of Yes, but it is the first time I've heard this allegation leveled at Anderson. I do see many classic songs with just his name but I see an equal number that have one or more of the other members so I'd always assumed credit was given where credit was due...

Posted on Jun 6, 2014 5:16:28 PM PDT
Peace says:
Yes fans...DEEP Yes fans know the bright energy and creativity Jon Anderson has added to classic Yes music and that is his contribution and legacy. No one will ever replace Jon A's artistry in Yes music...even those substitute singers who step in for the honor of front man for Yes....(unless Chris fires them). There are no parallels to Jon A. Let's awaken to that fact. But Yes survives into their sixth decade. What a blessing for both the band and the fans! We have heaven, don'cha think?

But as the hands of time pass in perpetual change, I'm very pleased to see Steve master his guitars live, Chris finding the broadest spectrum of sounds a bass can make face to face from the front row of the local theater or cruise, Alan snapping off amazing riffs like lightning strikes, and whoever else has the credentials to join core-Yes in the big leagues of the most artful music this side of Mozart, Ray Charles, and scores of other gentle giant progressive rock geniuses. Yes music is just the best there is...and so is the respect that I have for Yes fans...DEEP Yes fans as well as the band, alumni included.

Let's face the fact that as time marches onward, Yes music does not have to be over if new artists take the baton. Listening to Yes live is a ritual. I hope that future Yes in the decades ahead will be, for us Yes fans and all good people, not to be over but the remembering, as we will know, we have heaven.

Yes forever! C2T EDGE PA!

Posted on Jun 7, 2014 1:49:36 PM PDT
relay says:
Those of us who have heard "Believe Again" (before it was pulled-- reportedly the band, management and label very unhappy that this was leaked) need to remember that it was a rip from an online radio station, the audio quality was pretty poor and compressed to death, so it shouldn't be held up as any sort of barometer as to what the new material will *sound* like. Keeping this in mind, I was pleased by both melody & arrangement & have already pre-ordered my copy, roll on July!

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 14, 2014 3:44:34 AM PDT
See you at CTTE2015. You really gave it a shock to the system here.

Posted on Jun 14, 2014 8:14:34 AM PDT
R. L. MILLER says:
Actually the "No Anderson = No Yes" purist fascists are forgetting the 90125 Yes, which started out as "Cinema" after the original Yes had disbanded, with Squire, White, Tony Kaye and Trevor Rabin on guitars & vocals. So at that point, the name Yes was part of ancient history. Until somebody tempted Anderson away from his solo career and the resulting change in the vocal sound prompted them to re-adopt the Yes name.

Posted on Jun 14, 2014 3:34:24 PM PDT
The most recent three albums from "Glass Hammer" (Jon Davison vocal) are just excellent.... (The album titles are "IF" , "COR CORDIUM" and "PERILOUS"). Before these three albums Glass Hammer moved in a different direction and had a different vocalist. It's a mistake to write them off as merely a YES rip off... (I did for some time) as they are now producing better material than anything YES has done in recent times in my opinion..... AND I think I'd probably rate myself as a deep Yes fan from they're very earliest days by the way....

By "recent times" I mean albums like Union, Magnification, The Ladder, Open Your Eyes, Fly From Here, etc. Those albums all had good stuff and some excellent individual tracks on them (I still enjoy them)... but for a long time there hasn't been a really excellent body of work released apart from the Keys Studio material.

The fact that Jon Davison has had a big part in the writing of "Heaven and Earth" is good news for Yes I think.... I hope people are encouraged to check out some recent Glass Hammer. It was a real happy surprise for me... I recommend you start with "IF" and "COR CORDIUM".

New blood isn't always a bad thing.... Patrick Moraz did wonders on the Relayer album and was so fresh compared to the frilly flourishes of Wakeman at the time. I for one have high hopes for the upcoming Heaven and Earth album and will listen to it on it's own merits. Jon Davison is no Benoit David..... this is a totally different situation.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 14, 2014 10:24:56 PM PDT
hybernation says:
Well said!

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Posted on Jun 24, 2014 11:40:03 AM PDT
J. GARRATT says:
So many opinions. And as of this writing, no sound samples.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 25, 2014 5:22:25 AM PDT
BJ says:
You need to listen to Jon Anderson's recording "Survival and Other Stories". Jon has regained his voice again, and it still retains much of the lovely quality he has always possessed! As for me, I'm afraid that no Jon Anderson indeed equals "No Yes"!

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 26, 2014 7:08:37 AM PDT
Spotify version sounds good

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In reply to an earlier post on Jun 26, 2014 7:10:23 AM PDT
check here too

Posted on Jun 29, 2014 6:01:50 PM PDT
Jon Anderson is no longer in yes. And he may never be again. Time for all to get over it and move on. If you don't like Yes without JA , then move on and find a new band to support.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 30, 2014 12:57:36 PM PDT
poxy says:
ahhhhhh..yeah...... this is not the fox news site where you can make up facts.

Posted on Jun 30, 2014 4:18:24 PM PDT
L. Stehling says:
I saw Jon Anderson a few months ago at One World Theatre in Austin. Front row seats in a very small venue with Jon literally feet away. His 2 hour solo acoustic set and his audience interaction made for one of the greatest concert experiences I've had. His voice, while aged and not as crisp as the past, is still very much classic Jon.

I've attended a few Yes concerts over the years, Yessongs, Union, Keys to Accension not to mention the infamous ABWH tour when Chris was touring the Yes name without Anderson, Bruford, Wakeman and Howe. While I'm one of those guys that thinks Yes without Anderson isn't Yes, I'm willing to give Jon Davison a chance. I've got tickets for the August show in Houston and I'm looking forward to seeing some of the old faces (Squire, Howe, White) and some new ones (Davison and Downes... yeah I know Downes was with them before but for only a short while).
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