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The God Debates: A 21st Century Guide for Atheists and Believers (and Everyone in Between) [Paperback]

John R. Shook
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October 19, 2010
The God Debates presents a comprehensive, non-technical survey of the quest for knowledge of God, allowing readers to participate in a debate about the existence of God and gain understanding and appreciation of religion?s conceptual foundations.
  • Explains key arguments for and against God's existence in clear ways for readers at all levels
  • Brings theological debates up to the present with current ideas from modernism, postmodernism, fideism, evidentialism, presuppositionalism, and mysticism
  • Updates criticism of theology by dealing with the latest terms of the God debates instead of outdated caricatures of religion
  • Helps nonbelievers to learn important theological standpoints while noting their shortcomings
  • Encourages believers and nonbelievers to enjoy informed dialogue with each other
  • Concludes with an overview of religious and nonreligious worldviews and predictions about the future of faith and reason

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"I do, however, think that the book will enable readers to enter into debates about God in a fully rational way, and with an awareness of the complexities of theistic arguments. It is one for students of the philosophy of religion to study, and they will do so with profit." (Church Times, 20 May 2011)

"The book reminds us, also, of how many of the current debates about God at best beg the question and at worst take the form of ranting dogmatism." (Network, 2011) 

"As a philosophy instructor (who frequently teaches philosophy of religion), I find Shook's book to be comprehensive in its coverage.  The theological arguments, as well as the atheological responses to them, are presented in accessible terms, and analyzed perspicuously."  (Metapsychology, February 2011)

"The God Debates is a clear, accessible, up-to-date account of philosophical wrangles about the existence of God. Shook re-organises the arguments in an interesting way ... [and] takes on more esoteric arguments such as the claim that we must presuppose the existence of God if we are to engage in reasoning and scientific inquiry. In all, this is a lucid, concise, up-to-date, yet comprehensive account of intellectual debates about the existence of God. It is easy enough to be used by senior high school students, and could certainly be useful in undergraduate courses in philosophy of religion." (Metamagician and the Hellfire Club, October 2010)

John Shook, author of The God Debates, will discuss effective ways for nonbelievers to engage believers over that very question: "Does a god exist?" Maybe it's not the old, familiar arguments themselves, but new strategies and tactics that make the atheist message get heard and produce results." (Science in the City, February 2011)

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"If you've been puzzled by the complexity of the recent debates for and against God, this is the place to start. Shook lays out the questions, controversies, and schools of thought with amazing clarity, gradually building his case for a "staunchly naturalistic yet faithfully ethical humanism" ... Clear and blunt, with a light touch of irony."
Philip Clayton, author of In Quest of Freedom and the Oxford Handbook of Religion and Science

"Knowing for sure is not necessarily a virtue. By mapping scriptural, intellectual, and mystical theologies as well as naturalistic ethical worldviews, John Shook helps us to understand the rich range of human ideas and arguments, and hence ourselves and our neighbours. Shook invites us all to become winners when he writes in the preface "real winners are those who think about the questions, reflect on proposed answers, and come up with new questions." A most interesting and valuable book."
Willem B. Drees, professor of philosophy of religion, Leiden University; editor of Zygon: Journal of Religion and Science; author of Religion and Science in Context: A Guide to the Debates


Product Details

  • Paperback: 256 pages
  • Publisher: Wiley-Blackwell; 1 edition (October 19, 2010)
  • Language: English
  • ISBN-10: 1444336428
  • ISBN-13: 978-1444336429
  • Product Dimensions: 6 x 0.6 x 9 inches
  • Shipping Weight: 13.4 ounces (View shipping rates and policies)
  • Average Customer Review: 4.1 out of 5 stars  See all reviews (9 customer reviews)
  • Amazon Best Sellers Rank: #801,449 in Books (See Top 100 in Books)

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5.0 out of 5 stars Finally, an atheist takes a respectful look at religion October 23, 2010
By Sarah H
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The God Debates is a great up-to-date, comprehensive resource in philosophy of religion for both believers and non-believers, and as advertised, "everyone in between." A professional philosopher, Shook meticulously presents and analyzes the validity of the most popular contemporary arguments for the existence of god. These include the "fine-tuning" argument (the contemporary variation of the teleological argument), cosmological and ontological arguments, as well as arguments from religious experience. He evaluates the ability of reason and science to counteract these pro-god arguments. Though the book isn't focused on any one religion, rather on a variety of contemporary, common notions of "god," he does offer a very interesting Biblical analysis in his chapter "Theology from the Scripture." Here, he evaluates the reliability of the gospels against accepted criteria for historical credibility and evidence acceptance. In the chapter "Theology in the Know," Shook covers the epistemology (theory of knowledge) employed by religions e.g., presuppositionalism and evidentialism, and explains how these different epistemologies shape religious beliefs. He takes a look at various mysticisms ("Theology into the Myst") and explains the manner in which mystics prioritize faith over knowledge and even reason itself. He concludes with a discussion on the possible harmonization of reason and faith and the most current trends in religious belief, including liberal Christianity, fundamentalism, panentheism, mysticism, religious humanism, and secular humanism.

This is not another "atheism book." Shook approaches religious arguments with an unbiased yet critical eye. Shook presents the nuances and complexity of various systems of beliefs in god. He provides a fair and balanced inquiry into both traditional religious arguments and new ones, from the last one hundred years down to the present. While Shook's analyses ultimately cannot agree that the arguments for a supernatural being succeed, he only arrives at that conclusion after a comprehensive review and critical examination of purported evidence and argumentative strategies for god. There are no rude jabs at the believer, no tone of either denigration or condescension, which makes the read a refreshing divergence from top-selling "atheist books" such as Dawkins' "The God Delusion," Harris' "The End of Faith," and Hitchens' "God is not Great." (While these are great books that are well-worth reading, their authors can't be commended for their diplomacy or humility.) Shook's goal is not to convert people to atheism but only to educate the reader regardless of his/her religious persuasion on the legitimacy of the arguments on all sides. He has no interest in denouncing belief in god, only to critically examine the wide variety of religious positions and accompanying arguments. A refreshing departure, that he should want us to understand one another's belief systems before we criticize! He understands how religion can't be lumped together as "one thing" so he dissects it and evaluates each piece, a smart strategy indeed.

Whatever side of the debate you're on, you will absolutely benefit from learning the arguments of your intellectual "opponents," as well as arguments posited in your own camp. You might even change your own position! Or, you'll find new ways to strengthen it. Shook's book is a rich tool for anybody who wants to take part in the god debates, wherever one's convictions lie.
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5.0 out of 5 stars A model of clarity January 2, 2011
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John Shook is a professional philosopher and atheist but his real aim in The God Debates is to expose sloppy thinking advanced as knowledge of God. His intended audience is college level and above readers who are interested in whether God can be proved by argument, but he keeps philosophical jargon to a minimum and takes care to make his ideas easy to follow. I was impressed by the sheer clarity of Shook's thought which reminded me of philosopher Malcolm Murray's The Moral Wager: Evolution and Contract (Philosophical Studies Series) and The Atheist's Primer.

Shook casts his net over all theologies generally but focuses most on Christianity. That he has sympathy for spirituality and what lies behind religious sentiment is shown in his final chapter 'Reason and Faith' where he summarizes 12 prevailing religious worldviews, fairly characterizing their theses. Of these, Shook ultimately advocates either liberal modernism - which he defines as "faith in god's transformations through symbolism adaptable with reason", or religious humanism - humanism which gains "inspirational wisdom from religious traditions, spiritual leaders, communal rituals, nature's wonders and extraordinary personal experiences". Shook makes the point that genuine Christian theology cannot stray beyond the boundaries of the proposition: "ITM1: A religious belief about God should not attempt to accurately describe the way God objectively is, so it can't be true or false" (p.187).

Before this, Shook divides his project into an examination of five types of theology: 'Theology From The Scripture'; 'Theology From The World'; 'Theology In The Know'; and 'Theology Into The Myst". These convenient mnemonics cover the principal ways about how God and religion are thought about and justified, and Shook condenses the essential ideas into clearly expressed, numbered propositions which he then analyzes. This was a feature of the book I really liked. He then proceeds to counter the theological arguments with rebutting critiques from atheology.

'Theology From The Scripture' centers on justification taken from scriptual sources in light of the fact that Christians claim that Jesus was God and that the Bible taken by itself is justification for that claim. To begin his analysis Shook advances 12 principles of scientific history/forensic detection - he wants to find out if scripture alone can furnish proof of God from an accepted, reliable methodology. He goes on to examine how far first hand evidence is removed from the textual sources, the credibility of arguments from divine signs, arguments about apostolic faith, the divine character of Jesus and pseudo history - i.e. the Bible as an accurate and uncontroversial account of divine events associated with Jesus. Against the divine claims Shook puts forward a plausible naturalistic account for the start of Christianity, taking care to emphasize he is not giving a definitive alternative. Shook concludes that of themselves the scriptual sources are not up to task of concluding Jesus was god and that it is reasonable to be skeptical.

In 'Theology From The World' Shook examines whether God can be known from a study of nature. Again, as he did in 'Theology From The Scripture' Shook puts forward a set of analytical principles, this time based on scientific methodology. What piqued my interest was Shook's claim that most religious arguments from nature are actually pseudo science: while scientific explanations are cumulatively built upon reliably established background knowledge, observations and theory - and have predictive potential - pseudo scientific explanations insert a mystery God as a universal explanans which lacks such a bridged grounding and has no predictive power. Real cosmologists have the authority to theorize on what preceded the Big Bang, not theologians. Defining God into being through The Ontological Argument is also no answer because it says nothing particular about that God, and does not point out if such a being exists outside of nature. A minor quibble, I would have liked to have seen Shook take on the arguments of 'intelligent design' and 'irreducible complexity' in a little more detail.

In 'Theology Beyond The World' Shook explores justifications for God that arise out of ultimate cause arguments. He highlights the artificiality by which the theologian exempts God from causation by making him the sole 'uncaused cause' and a 'necessary being'. He asks why couldn't nature as a whole be "postulated as a necessary being", removing the need for a supernatural explanation. Again, Shook questions why theologians should be trying their hand at cosmology when in most cases they are not qualified to do so. He notes that the 'fine tuning argument' is based on current scientific knowledge, which is fluid. He points out that "calculations of the 'probability' of our universe are highly speculative and revisable". As an amusing aside he quotes Stenger (2007) as saying if Michael Jordan had been 1 part in 10 to the 16th of a light year shorter he wouldn't have been as great a basketballer (he would have instead been 1 meter tall)! Shook also asks of the theologian, why did God create the universe?, calling for a satisfyingly full explanation, but notes that there are only unsatisfactory possible answers - e.g. "because God is so spiritual God would want to create more spirits and we are just these kinds of spirits", or "god means to create life because creating us is the best way to achieve something god must want". All beg the question.

Shook cites the problem of evil as a defect of design that would not be expected of a perfect designer, and which can only be explained away through theodicy as a means to serve a greater good. He points out the tension in accepting, on the one hand, evil as 'all for the best according to God's plan' and using religious motivation to actively fight against it on the other. Shook also turns the traditional principle of sufficient reason against the theist who provide explanations for God's actions, pointing out these explanations themselves can't pass the test of reason.

In his section 'Theology In The Know' Shook takes on 'anti arguments' for God which insist that nothing about the natural world makes belief in God unreasonable, and therefore, that it is reasonable. He examines the presuppositionalist idea that unless god exists the universe could not be intelligible to anyone, and that knowledge of god is known to Christians, by asking if Christians and other theists give consistent answers about the truth of God - and finds out that they don't. In fact, to avoid the problem of believers having individualistic and possibly conflicting epistemologies of god, religious communities have needed to create social epistemologies to get their facts straight. However, in acceding to the Greek tradition of epistemic inquiry theologians ironically draw attention to the fact that Theology In The Know has assumed what it set out to prove: God's existence.

Shook wraps up his inquiry into theologies by considering one final type: 'Theology Into The Myst'. Theology Into The Myst' draws together theologies that don't appeal to reason for their justification, but rather to faith and mystery inspired by non-intellectual dimensions of human experience. Shook in this section alludes to theologies and philosophies of 'being' advanced by such figures as William James, Heidegger, Buber, Bath, Tillich and Küng. Shook draws attention to the fact that such theologies strip away propositional and conceptual knowledge about God in favor of a transcendental focus that moves uncomfortably away from scripture and traditional doctrine. This kind of move has more in common with eastern faiths such as Sufi Islam, Buddhism and Zen. Within Christianity mysticism is held with a degree of reserve and ambiguity - revelation has always featured in Church teachings but its often individual messages can be at variance with orthodox doctrine.

While steadfast believers may remain unconvinced, anyone open to examining the cogency of traditional and contemporary arguments for God will have much food for thought. Highly recommended.
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5.0 out of 5 stars Profoundly Interesting December 13, 2011
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The God Debates: A 21st Century Guide for Atheists and Believers (and Everyone in Between) by John R. Shook

"The God Debates" is the even-handed, accessible philosophical book about the quest of knowledge of God. Philosopher John R. Shook examines the key arguments for God's existence and the atheological responses. This 256-page book is composed of the following eight chapters: 1. Debating Religion, 2. Five Types of Theologies, 3. Theologies From The Scripture, 4. Theology From The World, 5. Theology Beyond The World, 6. Theology In The Know, 7. Theology Into The Myst, and 8. Reason and Faith.

Positives:
1. Well-researched, well-written book that takes a philosophical look at the arguments for the existence of God and the corresponding refutes.
2. Treats the topic with utmost care and respect. A professional book.
3. Great logical format. Breaks the topics out in a sensible manner.
4. Profound without being unintelligible. Thought-provoking.
5. The author does a good job of defining terms. Really lays the foundation early on for each worldview.
6. Great wisdom throughout, "There is no way to establish whether god exists by criticizing the conduct of believers or nonbelievers."
7. The author references well-known positions held by other authors and/or philosophers throughout the book.
8. All the well-known arguments for the existence of god are here and then some. Ontological, cosmological, teleological, etc...Excellent!
9. A great discussion on naturalism.
10. The best tools that leads to skepticism.
11. The book breaks out Christian theology into five types: Theology From The Scripture, Theology From The World, Theology Beyond The World, Theology In The Know, and Theology Into The Myst.
12. Thought-provoking questions and satisfactory answers.
13. In defense of science..."only scientific method advances science."
14. I've heard of the god of the gaps routine but "god of the surprises"...interesting.
15. A great section on scientific history.
16. A look at the gospels, are they trustworthy? Good stuff.
17. The impact of Paul on Christianity.
18. The supernatural in its proper place, "If hypotheses about the supernatural provide better explanations than any naturalistic hypotheses, then belief in the supernatural would be reasonable."
19. The divine designer debunked.
20. Really enjoyed the section on arguments from morality. The difference between objective moral truth and absolute moral truth.
21. Fine-tuning argument debunked.
22. Problem of evil.
23. Thought-provoking quotes, "The best explanation for the absence of convincing reasons for god's existence is god's nonexistence."
24. A good discussion on diverse worldviews. The author discusses twelve in particular.
25. A thorough references section.

Negatives:
1. No Kindle links.
2. Some of the topics covered here have been covered in more depth from other books. As an example, Victor Stenger has an entire book dedicated to debunking the fine-tuning argument.
3. The use of acronyms sometimes muddles the discussion.

In summary, I was reluctant to purchase the book because of the price but I'm glad that I did. Philosopher John R. Shook does a wonderful job of presenting the best reasoned justifications for the existence of god as well as the best counter arguments. The use of sound reason and logic that is accessible to the masses is the book's greatest strength. It also does a wonderful job of treating the subject with respect. It's a book that can be recommended to all without concern of personal attacks. I highly recommend this book.

Further suggestions: "God? A Debate between a Christian and an Atheist" William Lane Craig, "God and the Burden of Proof" Keith M. Parsons, "Atheism: The Case Against God" by George H. Smith, "Sense and Goodness Without God" by Richard Carrier, "God's Defenders" by S.T. Joshi, "50 Reasons People Give for Believing in a God" by Guy P. Harrison, and "The Cambridge Companion to Atheism" by Michael Martin.
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