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16 of 16 people found the following review helpful:
5.0 out of 5 stars Great Introduction to CBT and REBT
"The Therapy of Desire" is without doubt one of the best written, most erudite, and exhaustive studies of Hellenistic practical philosophy available, beginning with Plato and concluding with the Stoics. Nussbaum's focus, however, is not all the philosophical concepts touched upon during this enormous stretch of time, but with human flourishing (i.e., eudaimonia) and the...
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2.0 out of 5 stars good but a little boring
i found this book interesting in places but boring in others. author is sorely in need of an editor.
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16 of 16 people found the following review helpful:
5.0 out of 5 stars Great Introduction to CBT and REBT, February 27, 2005
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"The Therapy of Desire" is without doubt one of the best written, most erudite, and exhaustive studies of Hellenistic practical philosophy available, beginning with Plato and concluding with the Stoics. Nussbaum's focus, however, is not all the philosophical concepts touched upon during this enormous stretch of time, but with human flourishing (i.e., eudaimonia) and the important ethical insights of this period. Using the medical paradigm that the philosophers themselves used, she approaches Aristotle, the Epicureans, the Skeptics, and finally the Stoics conception of the good life well lived. Each of these philosophical schools attempted to "treat" the disorders of the mind (i.e., psyche), particularly the emotions and how they divert the soul from health to disease.

She begins with Plato's and Aristotle's belief that the emotions are a "part" of the soul, separate and distinct from the ratiocinative part. Plato thought all emotions needed to be controlled by reason (the charioteer and the two steeds), while Aristotle thought the emotions, distinct from the appetites and reason, need to find the golden mean through the process of using the intellect to control the passions from excess or deficiency. The Epicureans, on the other hand, make no such distinction, arguing instead that all emotions are flawed if they don't have the right premises (usually the "universal" premise) of practical thinking. Change the universal premise, usually by rote memory of rules of inference, and the emotions are tamed. The Skeptics took the approach that all passionate and deliberative thought was premised on false premises; citing Sextus Empiricus and his extreme Pyrrhonism, she illustrates how their resistance to all forms of dogmatism, e.g., certainty about the truth in any form, was a ruse. (I think Nussbaum could have explored the Skeptics more thoroughly than she does.) The Skeptics insisted that no two people perceive the same thing in the same way; even emotional responses were entirely unique and based upon the "belief" that something was true, when in fact, no belief is true. Their approach was simply to "suspend" all judgments altogether, thereby not being committed to one way of thinking or another.

The Stoics, on the other hand, alight onto something Nussbaum finds both intriguing and true. The emotions are not a separate faculty of the soul, but the same faculty involved in ratiocination. Emotions are nothing more than "internal" cognitive reactions to external stimuli. Treatment of the soul, for the Stoics, was apathy (i.e., ataraxia): Don't let the soul (i.e., mind) become "disturbed" by external factors. By simply extirpating emotive reactions, the Stoic "therapy" involves the complete the annihilation of the emotions altogether. External (cf., internal) conditions are simply a matter of fate or whim, neither within nor without one's control. Why get exercised over them? It only begets anger, frustration, and depression. Only our internal reaction to them are controllable. The only way to deal with our reactions is to ignore or repress them, or else they will take control over the self -- and almost always for the worse. Anger, fear, frustration, anxiety, love,pity,compassion,grandiosity, our finitude, etc., do not come form the outside; they are emotions that cognitively react to outside events beyond the self's control. But what good do they serve? None. They only make one react to things that are outside the agent's control. The tonic: Overcome them through extirpation, and thus lead a calm, dispassionate, and equipoised life.

Nussbaum's erudite, sophisticated, and elegant evaluation of these schools of thought ought to engender the person of the twenty-first century into "current" modalities for the treatment of mental disorders. In the "Therapy of Desire" she lays the intellectual and historical foundations of current cognitive modalities. (This she explores in greater detail into her sequel "Upheavals of Thought.") But, by confining ourselves to this rich intellectual, hermeneutic, and "medical" history of the Hellenistic period, we can already anticipate the use of both Epicurean and Stoic thought in Cognitive Behavior and Rational-Emotive Behavior Therapies, and how successful both paradigms have become. (For example, see Elliot Cohen's "What Would Aristotle Do?" and Albert Ellis' "A Guide to Rational Living.") Nussbaum not only weaves a coherent, intelligent, and persuasive understanding of Hellenistic thought, she provides the ancient, and yet contemporary, underpinnings of modern cognitive psychology. Her book is rich in quotes from both periods, and is an excellent introduction into why the ancient Greek/Roman philosophers still speak to us today.
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13 of 14 people found the following review helpful:
5.0 out of 5 stars comprehensive and relevant, February 28, 2000
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It is rare for a survey of classical philosophy (in this case the Hellenistic period) to be both scholarly and engaging. But this is the fault of commentators, not of the ancient authors themselves, as Martha Nussbaum shows -- not by attacking other scholars but by bringing out the undying relevance of the works in question. She ranges from Aristotle through the Stoics, covering such schools as the Epicureans and the Skeptics along the way. The narrative brings each of these schools to life by imagining a female student in search of wisdom, testing out each possibility and comparing it with the others with regard to how well it answers such urgent human questions as: how should I live?; or, how am I to love without compromising my dignity or rendering myself vulnerable to suffering? Each of the Hellenistic schools has a practical answer to such questions, and in an age (ours) which (like theirs) laments the absence of guidance for the individual, the consideration of philosophical schools like these, which do not lie about the negative aspects of existence, remain a superior alternative to those in search of wisdom and frustrated with the easy oversimplifing pseudo-wisdom of the week. The statement is too often made, but in this case it applies: this book will be highly valuable to both the student of ancient philosophy and the general reader.
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13 of 15 people found the following review helpful:
5.0 out of 5 stars A good textbook, but more moving, April 25, 2003
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This review is from: The Therapy of Desire (Paperback)
In "The Fragility of Goodness," Nussbaum structured a good introduction to Greek philosophy around a notion that had started to get attention in philosophy (thanks to Bernard Williams and Robert Nozick especially): moral luck. If we hope our acts will bring happiness, what does it say of virtue if events and attachments can bring ruin? If morality lies in our choice or character, what does it say if good people, as in Greek tragedy, are driven to terrible acts?

"The Therapy of Desire" extends the argument in two ways. First, it focuses on the part of our vulnerability we ordinarily think of as within: our attachments to ourselves and to others, with the intense emotions of anger and love these entail. Second, it moves past the major works of Plato and Aristotle to the Stoics, Skeptics, and Epicureans. For that alone, it may well be a more useful book. She writes very clearly indeed, making the arguments of each credible, and the arrangement by school and thematic approach make it easier to follow than such well-known surveys as Annas's "Morality of Happiness," even as she responds to each one in her own way.

She continues, as in the previous book, to argue that both her themes and Greek thought forbid a separation of philosophy from literary writing (a notion that sounds contemporary now, too, with Derrida and others), and so she gives much space to Lucretius (whereas others stick to the fragments of strictly philosophical writings that are left us). It made me read him. She also again makes the case that post-Classical philosophy, concerned with moral imperatives or the greatest happiness of others, slights a key question.

I have to say that the complaint in an earlier review that she's too Marxist just has me puzzled at the red-baiting. As I say, she thinks something serious got lost starting at least with Kant, and the rare reference to Marx is dismissive. Similarly, using "he" and "she" interchangeably is pretty much the norm in such presentations these days. Perhaps just finding someone who believes in affections and human community as part of virtue annoys a neo-con.

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2 of 2 people found the following review helpful:
5.0 out of 5 stars Excellent and careful exploration of the ancient philosophy of emotions, January 19, 2008
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In harmony with her earlier and ongoing philosophical work, this book by Nussbaum explores the examination of philosophical psychology, the mind and the emotions and rationality by various ancient philosophical schools. Nussbaum focuses particularly on the Epicurans, Skeptics and Stoic schools of philosophy, passing by the Peripatectic and Neo-Platonic schools along the way. Nussbaum offers a number of interesting ideas, particularly that for these schools of philosophy, philosophy was not just about gaining objective knowledge or insight about the world in a scientific manner, but also about 'therapy' which cures the soul.

As well as examining the techniques of these philosophical schools to help people overcome suffering and find peace and contentment, Nussbaum also examines what relevance these schools have to philosophy today, and her assessment is quite positive.

This book is well worth reading by anyone interested in ancient philosophy, and also philosophers interested in the mind, the emotions, and rationality.
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31 of 51 people found the following review helpful:
4.0 out of 5 stars A wonderful though politically slanted book, July 29, 2000
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The phrase "Hellenistic philosophy" encompasses three schools of Ancient Greece and Rome: the Epicureans, the Skeptics and the Stoics- whose philosophical achievements had been largely underestimated until very recently, and whose work on the emotions, according to the author, represents "the best material in the Western tradition."

In *The Therapy of Desire*, Nussbaum evaluates the therapeutic aspects of the ethical teachings of these three schools, showing how each of them addresses the emotional needs and vulnerabilities of its disciples and guides them towards eudaimonia, or human flourishing. Using Aristotle as her starting point and foil, she shows what insights the three Hellenistic schools added to his psychology (such as, for instance, the crucial discovery of the unconscious), what dangers they identified in the passionate life he advocated, and what ways they found to avert them. One thing I learned in this book for instance is that the original Skeptics were not as nihilistic as their contemporary equivalents, but that their all-encompassing doubting was a means of protecting themselves from intellectual vulnerability and fostering a eudaimonistic equanimity.

Rather disturbingly, Nussbaum concludes that each individual has to choose between a life of deep emotional commitments that might lead to destructive anger and a life freed from the risk of such anger at the cost of his humanity. She herself seems to favor the former.

*The Therapy of Desire* is unlike most modern philosophy books in that it attempts to move philosophy "beyond the academy to take its place in the daily lives of human beings". Combining abstract arguments with insightful real-life illustrations and the literary analysis of works such as Lucretius's *De Rerum Natura* and Seneca's *Medea*, it weaves a very intricate picture of man's emotional life and the profound moral choices it involves.

My only reservation about the book concerns the author's feminist and Marxist leanings.

The former manifest themselves in an obsessive infatuation with the pronoun "she" (to the point of inserting it in quotes from the Stoics) and occasional diatribes against our patriarcal society which "turns half of its members into possessions, both deified and hated, the other half into sadistic keepers, tormented by anxiety".

As for Nussbaum's Marxism, it reveals itself in citations from Marx and Engels' writings, which seem designed solely to give them visibility, and a general tendency to see people as "victims of false social advertising... convinced in their hearts that they cannot possibly live without their hoards of money, their imported delicacies, their social standing, their lovers". According to her, "nothing is more urgent in contemporary society than the reasoned critique of limitless wealth-maximizing and power-seeking" (notice the package deal). Moreover, Nussbaum's sympathies for ancient philosophers seem to be dictated mostly by the openness of their schools to women and "the excluded"- which means that even though she turns out to be closer to Aristotle than the other schools, she clearly dislikes him. As for her brief forays into political philosophy, they remain strategically vague, but it is not difficult, given the context, to guess what she means when she advocates "a politics of gradualism and mercy".

For all its biases, I highly recommend this marvellous exploration of hellenistic philosophy. But I sincerely hope that in the future, scholars uncontaminated by Marxism will intervene to prevent the recuperation of Epicureanism and especially Stoicism by the academic left.

(As antidotes to Nussbaum's attacks on "greed", I recommend Edwin Locke's *The Prime Movers*; George Reisman's *Capitalism*; and the complete works of Ayn Rand.)

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2.0 out of 5 stars good but a little boring, March 8, 2003
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i found this book interesting in places but boring in others. author is sorely in need of an editor.
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