Yeah, I get the feeling that people that are only fans of the original trilogy can't fathom the idea that a fan of the prequels could want an unaltered set as well...I became a fan long ago when I first watched the original movies (before the SE even came out) and I have been a fan ever sense like I said I was born in the early 90s so I wasnt very old when The Phantom Menace came out, and I always liked it...my dad who took me there opening weekend who was very excited to see it didn't and he never liked any of the prequel films....his problem actually was that he didn't like Lucas's writing...the dialogue was what he had a problem with...but Lucas knows how to tell a story.
But were all fans here, so I don't see any reason to have a war about it.
I really enjoy discussing other fans views of the situation, its changing my own perspective of it as well....but all these arrogant people can't seem to just have a calm discussion on the subject....
Again, is it wrong to not have a problem with the special editions (and even dare I say it like them) and like the prequels.....and want an original trilogy theatrical release?
I'm just a star wars fan in general...I'm not one of those people that only like the original trilogy, and I'm not one of those people that doesn't want a "better" version of the theatrical release ether...
"So that means that people object to the fact that we also happen to be interested in the new, updated version of the films including the prequels. They don't seem to recognize there there is a whole range of opinions about Star Wars, all of which are valid."
That's why I get so frusrated with the OOT "purists" sometimes. I think their arguement is completely valid, BUT...some of their behavior speaks for itself. Some of them are so quick to throw insults at Lucas and anyone who dares mention they like the SEs and/or prequels. I love these movies just as much as the next person, and no, I don't agree with all the changes. But at the end of the day, it is only a movie, and there's no need for that type of thing. Like you guys said, we're all fans here. I've been disappointed with the way WB has handled some of the Scooby Doo series on DVD, but I'm not bending over a internet message board throwing eggs at anyone who disagrees with me.
@Steve Lewis That has absolutely nothing to add to this discussion
@ScoobyDooFan Yeah I guess thats just something we have to deal with, most of my friends that are bug star wars fans agree with me on most of my opinions...I do have a few friends though that just hate the prequels in general but whatever, I don't have to convince other people that the prequels are good movies. But I hate how they think they need to try and convince ME that the prequels are bad movies when I ALREADY really like them...
"??? Why didn't you say that all in one post, instead of 5?"
Because I decided to answer them one at a time. Sorry about that.
".......I started this discussion for responses and I have been getting several good ones lately, I'm not sure what exactly you have added to the discussion."
Oh, I agree to a point, but I think that other opinions should be counted as valid if you want yours to be.
"And I don't see how I am feeding the argument...."
You could say that once you feed a troll, the troll will never leave. If one of the posters that you were complaining about comes on here and decides to take your cue to complain to you, then you just perpetuated what you claim you didn't want to perpetuate.
"I'm still trying to figure out wether or not you agree with me or if you are disliking what I'm saying....anyway thanks for your post...."
I am only stating what I've seen, it's an observation. Take this analogy: Batman wants to clean up the streets of Gotham. He puts many-a bad guy away. But that just incites the Joker to go from simple bank robbery to infiltrating the mob and he takes it to the next level. All I'm saying is just you don't like it doesn't mean others shouldn't respond harshly if they end up doing it that way, especially if they are insulted.
That ain't to say that you don't have the right to say what you want to say, just don't expect every reply to be nice. If you continue to ask those who hate the SEs of Star Wars why they hate it, you're just stirring it up all over again.
"And I don't see how I am feeding the argument....I WANT THE THEATRICAL RELEASE IN GOOD QUALITY TO!!!! And I also dont really have a problem with most of the changes and I REALLY LIKE the prequel trilogy....I feel like I keep saying this over, and over again...but no one seems to get that so I keep repeating myself. "
That's one thing that bringing up a post like this will do. You can explain yourself till the cows come home, L. Canepari, but if someone else has an opinion other than your own, you must open yourself up to those comments, too, even if they are hardboiled and rough. But doing just that will attract more flaming.
You do make your point over and over again, but that's just suggesting to the other posters to do the same. If you keep stating your opinion over and over again within the same thread, it becomes useless. --------------------------------------------------------------- C'mon you guys, Star Was might be a masterpiece in it's OTT form, but it's not worth it to keep fighting over it. Or, maybe it is...
I'm a strange Star Wars fan. I'm hopelessly in love the OTT. But, for some reason unknown to the psychiatric community (that's sarcasm, by the way), I happen to love the prequels, too, even though the story deviates here and there, but it's all very much eye candy to me, and I sometimes like candy. I also liked the SEs. So, I'm one who wants THEM ALL. But I can't stand to see people taking it out on others who don't view it the same way.
--------------------------------------------------------- Anyone here heard that song "My Way" by Sid Vicious? For some reason it reminds me of these Star Wars threads. Look it up on youtube.
--------------------------------------------------------- L. Canepari says: "I'm not trying to defend everything George Lucas is doing, I'm just stating my opinion"
You could say that that's what the "haters" are doing, stating their opinion, but for some reason you think that you should be able to complain without others doing just that. It's a symptom of people that you can say anything that you want but no one else can do the same without your perspective attached without you getting on them for it, then you just don't get it when you make an opinion and you get shot down.
------------------------------------------------------- But now having read through this whole thread I see that the OP has become less like he was when he began his thread.
L. Canepari says: "I didn't realize I insulted anyone, I didn't mean your not a true star wars fan if you don't buy this."
Yes you did, because that is what you said.
"I meant that people that are always complaining about George Lucas just don't seem like star wars fans...I don't really care what other people say, I just think this is very one sided."
If you don't care what other people say there's no reason dragging around in this here thread, nor should you have then created it. Making a thread is only to hope for opinions of varrying results. Not caring what others say would make this a one sided arguement, now wouldn't it? Makes it all very moot.
"and the people that don't like the re-visions and such seem to be the people whining all the time"
That's not true, because here you are doing more complaining and whining. It doesn't bother me, though. What DOES bother me is when those so-called "non complainers/non whiners" go on and on complaining and whining, and then they claim that they aren't the ones doing the complaining/whining, because they are, just as the others were before them. If you want those who don't share your views to take a look at your views, then you need to stop complaining when they don't share your own perspective, instead you keep doing what you claim they are solely doing.
"all I know is I can't wait for this to come out. And I have a huge star wars marathon planed with a bunch of friends and I'm really looking forward to it...."
Aw, aren't you dedicated. That's so special. Sorry for being sarcastic, I hope you're adult enough to see that I'm just teasing you. But now I want to say something serious: And because you say this you can pretend that you didn't actually say what you did actually say in that 1st post that was deemed that it didn't help with the discussion. That, my friend, should tell you just how one sided this argument can get when you don't care what others have to say.
"and I'm not a Lucas social media troll"
You wanna know what I think is funny? You. It's funny that you think that that poster really meant that. It was sarcasm, because if you are who George Lucas decided to put out there to spin your side of the story, then he's wasting his money because your posts are less coherent than I'd think they'd want to see. (I've been told mine can get incoherent, so don't feel too badly.) Or, maybe you're disgruntled because Lucas fired you because he saw that you can't sell what he wanted you to sell.
I'm, of course, being sarcastic...about thinking that you were fired; I'm sure that Lucas thinks you're doing a standup job, how stupid he is. And I'll admit I'm being pretty mean with my sarcasm, so please don't take too much offence. I hate it when I can't get it through to others that I'm being sarcastic and they don't like it and do some real insulting...
"And BTW ScoobyDooFan thanks for being the only man here to actually agree with me"
HEY! I agree with you. But I guess I didn't get here quickly enough to say so. As for the man himself, Scooby, I think he thinks that he can take your comments and print them better than yourself. He likes to jump on the bandwagon. He's done so with me a few times already. He likes a good altercation.
"Get over, quit whining, etc".
Don't wanna, and you can't make me! :) :) :)
I wish that those who say this would just get over it, too, meaning they should get over the fact that their's isn't the only opinion, and if they can continue making these posts/threads, than the rest of us should be able to defend ourselves, and should be able to have an opinion posted, even if it's in some place that one or many members do not agree about. Free speech, man, get over it.
And you know what, the only reason I even post here from time to time is because I just like to read the nonsense that everyone who hates the complainers have to write, because they don't seem to believe in anything than their own side of the story, or whatever.
They'll never get that what they're doing is pushing the discussion/altercation on and on and on, and on and on, too. But they still complain about those who complain. What's wrong with this picture?
In short, if you wish that the haters stop complaining, then you should stop complaining too. But there's this thing I mentioned above called free speech, which some think only applies to themselves, anyway. And if you can throw comments around, then eveyone else, regardless of what they say, should be able to do the same.
------------------------------------------------------- "I've read on other message boards that some fans were sending threats to Lucas and harassing his daughter on Twitter because of the recent Blu-ray changes.. I don't like a few of the new changes, but that's going WAY too far in my book."
At last someone is really trying to get my beloved movies out there...no matter what it takes, is what I say. By the way, I'm kidding here. I completely agree with Scooby here; because that isn't way too far, it's far way too far.
--------------------------------------------------------- firefire's quote: "Of course, I won't buy them or any other of his merchandise, including lame parodies, TV shows and movies that reference it, which he gets royalties off of."
Scooby's response: Good, don't. I wouldn't want your money either.
Scooby is trying to be clever here, but to someone else's expense. Scooby's simply trying to provoke him further by saying this, which isn't mature at all.
"You refuse to buy anything Star Wars, yet you illeagally download them. Nice."
And yet again, Scooby refuses to back down. The other guy, though, refuses to buy what Lucas wants him to buy, so he had to cut corners. I say, good for him.
"Like I said, do I need to define what a opinion is for you? Or do you need me to hold your hand? Sorry if the truth hurts for ya."
The posts that you and he were arguing in have been deleted, so I'm not certain what either of you said in between there, I can only imagine. But I can observe that you're just trying to instigate the altercation further. Even if he did insult you, you are insulting as well when you go about with your way of response. Although yours is a bit more subtle, it's still an insult, I'll have you know.
"I was just trying to defend Canepari and HIS right to his opinion."
No, you really weren't, although it may have seemed that way...all the while taking the time to condescend to others opinions at the same time. You aren't just trying to defend another's thoughts. You are bringing your own thoughts into it, and thus it's all about what you think, and you use as much bullying as possible. That's not to say that others don't do the same, because they do.
"At least I'm not throwing insults around like a 12 year old."
Calling your oppenant something close to a 12 year old IS, in fact, an insult. Again, trying for subtlety, actually was less subtle this time around.
"I've already reported you to Amazon"
Which is awfully school yard of you. But maybe the other guy did indeed deserve that, if so, please disregard this statement.
"But hey, if you wanna try this dicussion again, why don't you come back when you've grown up a bit."
You see, there you go again insulting others, but you clearly don't see it.
"WOW, it seems like a war has broken out here wall I've been gone..."
(I'll admit in this next reply that I'm being somewhat harsh with the accusation made.) Don't be so humble, L. Canepari, you're the one who started it with starting this innocuous thread. So, in essense, one might be able to provide evidence that you could have stopped it before it started. Sure, the others can be blamed for taking it to a higher ground assault, but your the originator. But pointing fingers is unfair - though it isn't like no one on these forums hasn't been pointing - so I will nominate myself for even posting this post.
---------------------------------------------------- "My problem with some people on this thread is that the OT fanatics seem to want to pretend that the prequels don't exist."
Why does that have to be a problem, or, rather, your problem? You can't make them like what you like, can you?
"But in the meantime, perhaps we should all enjoy what we are being given"
No, perhaps YOU should enjoy them. And we aren't being given these movies, we have to buy them. That's on the way to pointing a gun to someone's face telling them to be happy with what they've been given to buy. Which is not being fair.
---------------------------------------------------- "And to go along with what you said, the main reason Lucas changed them was for the newer audience..."
That's not true. The initial idea of the SEs were to give those OTT Star Wars fans something that Lucas wanted to do from the beginning. It was, as titled suggested, a special edition. Now, if what you're saying is true, then he lied, because he didn't say what you think he said once upon a time. It wasn't supposed to get out of hand like it has.
"and he wouldn't even understand anything we are talking about, nor give a crap about it, and 10, 15, 20 years from now....I doubt even then he would care."
So, you're saying that just because you think that your younger brother, whom loves Star Wars just as much as you do, will feel that way, that means we should all feel that way?
What else is there to say? We're all passionate about Star Wars, that's evident. But some of us need to calm down, looking at you ScoobyDoFan. I said that I only like to read the nonsense, while that is true, I also like to help others out. So, stop complaining you derned complainers, or you'll have Scooby or the OP here breathing down your neckd trying to tell you their opinion on every post they post.
"We will not shut up, try and make us, POS apologist. FU and your mother. We all know he owns the rights(sadly) and can what his narcissistic heart pleases, that doesn't make it right. Apologist
I only wish you and Mr. Lucas were in those towers, the day your mother sh@t your worthless butt out is tragedy itself."
You're right about that, Scooby, I was completely off about that guy. But you, too, say things that aren't nice. I was just trying to tell everyone... Ah, what's the use, anyway? I admited that I like to read the nonsense, and I just wanted to pop my .02 in there, which maybe I should have, but alas, I did.
And I didn't say anything about you saying anything about any argument being invalid or valid. I only mentioned that you can be really the same as the person you are dishing it out at. No more than that. I do get into conversations to see if I can calm someone down, it's like a perverse challange, if you will, to see if you can get in and try to help others with their problems.
But to be honest, you are trying to shove your opinions down other poster's throats every time that you tell them that they are being ridiculous about how they complain about this and that. As is everyone, including myself. Maybe I come on here to gain more perspective of what other's feel. And I interject myself in there to try to defend another person's opinion and to try to tell my own opinion. It's rather hard to say with everyone going off on one another. I just hate to see people fight, but at the same time I half way enjoy it, like that old saying about the car crash, you don't want to see it but you can't help but to look.
I am sorry, Scooby, about cutting you down. I had no idea that that firefire had such harsh words as he had with you. But I suppose it was my failed attempt to gain knowledge of the other guy. I suck at trying to be a psychologist, don't I?
"But to be honest, you are trying to shove your opinions down other poster's throats every time that you tell them that they are being ridiculous about how they complain about this and that. "
It's true that I've been harsh myself, I guess I have a hard time expressing myself, and because of that, I can come off as a ass sometimes. I won't deny that. But I'm not trying to shove any opinion down anyone's throats. I'm on nobody's side here. But in a way, you do it too. You take issue with people complaining about the complaining, but you fail to see that some of us are just trying to make a valid point. It's not the opinion that people like me and the OP take issue with, it's the way some of you OOT fans choose to express those opinions. If you want me to be honest, I could care less if somebody likes the OOT or not, whatever floats your boat. But people like firefire makes me sad to be a SW fan sometimes. Like you, if I see somebody with a opinion, and they're being attacked because of it, I'm gonna come in here and defend the guy.
But you are right, these fights are ridiculous, and I've done my fair share of that. So I'll just eat my hat and take a back seat for now.
Okay guys...let me just say first off that I have read everything you all just posted...and there were some darn big posts.
I now feel like I have much to say, but I am going to try and say it in as few words as I can. First of all Lance Lust, you are complaining to, just the same way you accused me of. There is no way to talk about how others complain without comming off as a complainer yourself. Now that said you did make some valid points...
I just want to say as you mentioned in your very long post, about some of the comments I made in my original post, if you check the dates that was quite some time ago and in the last week this discussion has fired up again, for the better I think. If you read my posts in order you will notice how much I have changed my stance from my orignal post. When I wrote that first post I didn't plan on repyling, and I new I was going to get people angry, later though I got more involved with this discussion...I really find it interesting how you yourself said you like the prequels..It seems that everyone comming into this discussion that really has a lot to say, is also mentioning that they liked the prequels...
I can tell that this discussion has really changed from how it started, I'm not trying to argue with people anymore I don't want to fight about it, when I first started this post I DID I was fueled and enraged and I wanted to get people to respond. I'm really tired right now so I'm going to try and make this short, But again with your post you also come off as a whiner and a complainer, And again @ScoobyDooFan I'm really glad you joined this discusion and I fell that you are one of the only people on it that hasn't argued with me about what I said, but have actually been agreeing with me and I thank you for that
I had more I wanted to say but I started to forget it by the time I actually finnished reading your long resopons, actually Lance half way through your long post there I full agreed with you and I was going to rate up your post, I'm not saying I disagree with you now, but you are poking just as much "fun" as the rest of us...I'm litrally falling asleep as I write this so I will probably edit this post tomorrow if you guys haven't started responding to it already, But thanks guys both of you I feel you have really added to this discussion, And I can tell Lance that the post you made took a really long time to write, but anyways... Good Night...And may the force be with you
"But again with your post you also come off as a whiner and a complainer"
I'm sorry, but I never said I wasn't whining. In a way, I suppose, I was whining and complaining to further my point. If that makes any sense. I came in here to whine about so many whiners, to point out that to complain about complainers is in and of itself the exact same thing. Sorry if I didn't make that clear.
HECK yeah I'm a baby. I whine about everything in this messed up world.
And I just watched a youtube vid of some new changes to the OTT (Come now, ScoobyDooFan, can't you just call it OTT instead of OOT? I suppose that's too much to complain/whine about.) and I must say that that man is like a kid high on ADHD. He can't stop. Just cannot stop altering more and more scenes to his own movies. Isn't there a term for that, like hacking, or something? I mean, he's a hack nowadays, so he wants to hack into his own movies much to the chagrin of me.
I hope we can all get along now. If not, then fine! I quit! ;)
"Oh, c'mon. Well, you know what... Get over it, man."
.......I really don't care that much.
"If you can get over Lucas never giving us all what we want, you'll have to get over crass comments, too."
Its not that I can get over lucas not giving us all what we want, I want it to, I just think some comments are still just rude anyway....but really I don't care to keep picking apart each others comments.
Yeah, I know. Sorry about that. I was going about editing that but the power went out for a few seconds. If you wanna see what it was just go onto youtube and try for "Star Wars Blu-ray changes" and I think you'll find it. It's by blastradiuscomedy.
They are doing this to get the attention of George Lucas. I personally cant blame them as Lucas has lost all touch with reality. He is somewhere in the mindset of where Michael Jackson was prior to his death. In someways it's almost as it Lucas almost seems to do these things to enflame the fans.