In the end, Joker has the same eyes as TIM does, and he clearly has cybernetics on his arms as well. Even the plants on that planet are cyborgs (have the same appearance, before the camera pans to the Normandy). Joker is no longer an organic, he is a cyborg.
No, all organic DNA is now partially synthetic. Look at jokers arms and his hat and his eyes as he steps off the Normandy. It's five minutes after getting hit by the beam which -- for some unexplained reason crashes the Normandy AS WELL AS SCRAMBLES DNA -- and he's already got circuit-veins, as does EDI.
Because SPACE MAGIC.
All of his DNA has become "new DNA." Direct quote.
And why did jumping off that ledge allow for Joker's DNA to be rewritten? Why does EDI suddenly have DNA? Why does your jumping off that ledge crash the Normandy? Why is the Normandy even running away from the epic final battle, despite the fact that it has Thannix cannons, which makes it as effective in battle as a capital dreadnought? Why does Joker bailout without so much as calling you on the radio?
Because they wrote the new ending after the voice actors were done -- which is a stupid reason. Martin Sheen only came in to do his lines in November, at the last possible second for the team to ship it out the door.
Where was the final boss battle? That one slow motion marauder?
No -- they ran out of time and had to remove it. Which is a stupid reason not to have a final fight -- or any fight -- in the last hour of a game with an awesome new combat system.
Instant new DNA that takes five minutes to work, and which is able to spread across the entire galaxy -- all 100,000 light years of it -- in minutes. SPACE MAGIC.
If Shep had jumped on a grenade to save Liara, that would have been "sacrifice". He didn't even ask the space god child a single question before jumping off that ledge -- which is stupid.
Hey, I wish that I had loved the ending and thought that it was brilliant.
However, I dont intend to buy dlc giving me the indoctrination ending. If it comes out and reviews here state that its the best thing since sliced bread, I'll consider it, but only then. Otherwise Bioware has burned it bridges with me.
It's not a matter of not listening; just a miscommunication. I meant that if organics and synthetics were merged, EDI and Joker would have somehow blended together and became just one person. That seemed abundantly silly to me. What actually happened was that organics became partly synthetic and synthetics became partly organic. That wasn't my initial take-away from the discussion, but apparently we're still stuck on an earlier comment where we were on two different proverbial pages.
I have to give this discussion heading credit for directly addressing "Those who want a new ending". I think people (on BOTH sides of the argument) are under false assumptions that they speak for all gamers or "the majority" of gamers.
"Daniel Gonzalez, director of marketing and public relations for EA Latin America, says that they will release no DLC with a different ending. There will be a DLC to better explain the details of the ending, but the ending will remain the same.
Regarding the future of the franchise, he declared that ME3 was the end of Shepard but not the end of the game, and promised that news about more DLC would be forthcoming in two weeks' time.
I don't think that leaves an awful lot of room for interpretation. For anyone who was hoping for a different ending and not a clarification of the dreadful current one, it doesn't look good"
Actually what I am hoping for his clarification; alot of it. I have always felt that the endings are incomplete. If they would release something that at least better explains them in detail. I would probably be content. There is so many rumors right now and that is what sucks.
To be honest I don't know what to believe is the "true" ending. At first I liked that it was left up to interpretation but now people are saying there's this "indoctrinated" theory and that It's the "true ending" which just makes things more confusing. Clarification would be nice, especially if Bioware felt they had a specific direction but at this point I'm ready to move onto another game.
More complete endings would be a nice addition, but if they are just going for clarification, then they are still ignoring all the plot-holes that Starchild's existence created. To be honest though, I don't know how they can make a satisfactory ending without just scrapping the entire Earth final mission and re-doing it. There was literally nothing enjoyable or well done in that mission, but I seriously doubt Bioware would go that far. I want to give Bioware more credit than this, because they gave me two of my top five all-time games (KOTOR and ME1), but I might have to join Jason and give up on this one. All the PR double-talk and theories are starting to really burn me out.
My guess is they release an epilouge DLC, which leaves us with more questions than answers. No way they can release a totaly new ending after so many people already played this game. If they did and charged $$ for it than a high percentage of the people with the game wouldnt buy it. And those 5 guys with no online would be screwed. So basically only a small few would see the new ending.
Like most people I was really expecting a huge battle with harbinger after listening to his big mouth all thru ME2. Hopefully, this post ending DLC isnt a total waste of time and gives us some of the answers we want. Either way I think we're going to be left with this dissapointing ending.
Yea i was expecting that also. How can Harbinger not be involved in ME3. You hear him talking in the end of ME1 (if i remember correctly) and he is all throughout the second game. Then basically non existent in the 3rd game. So i dont know how they can do a good ending without that being addressed and the relays being destroyed. i guess we will see