They've added features that should have been in the first TL but totally revamped as far as gameplay content? From what I saw in the semi-official play-throughs (gamespot and whatnot) I just don't see it.
"The fact is, Torchlight 2 will be a good game, and Diablo 3 will be a better game. Torchlight 2 might be cheaper and not require an internet connection, but Blizzard has been at this genre for 15+ years."
Dude, Blizzard North is doing Torchlight 2. Diablo 3 was done by Activision and their expirience in the genre is 0 years and it shows a lot in D3. What Activison does have experience in is World of Warcraft and again: it shows A LOT in D3...
Unless of course you believe that games are developed by trademarks, not people.
Ahh yes, Blizzard North also did Hellgate London. Their track record is STELLAR as well.
The fact is TL2 will be Diablo 2.5, if thats what you're looking for you'll enjoy it. Honestly I've been watching some beta "let's plays" on YouTube of TL2 and it really so far looks like a "wait for a sale" game for me. It basically looks like they tried to rip off Diablo 2 and turn it into WoW. All these people throwing fits about D3 being "cartoony" but then saying TL2 is a better game?
TL2 looks EXACTLY like WoW, heck, even a ton of the dungeons/towns the commentators are kind of like "Huh, this looks like a certain town from a certain MMO....." only 5 mins later to be in a "dungeon" that looks extremely like a certain early level instance from same MMO.
and... welcome to corporate structure 101 (it's a mess):
Activision Blizzard, Inc owns both Activision and Blizzard Entertainment. It's a holding company for the other two. Activision does not own Blizzard Ent. Blizzard Ent does not own Activision.
Activision Blizzard Inc is a hold entity that does nothing but own other companies (they own about a dozen individually operated studios). Blizzard Entertainment operates separately from Activision in every way.
The merger occured after Activision bought out Vivendi Games (the previous holding company that owned Blizzard Entertainment & Sierra Entertainment) - formed Activision Blizzard, Inc as the new holding company, and kept all the studios as separate corporate entities.
On that note - it's actually pretty easy to see how the thing can get itself confused of one company owning another. But Activision does not own Blizzard Entertainment, it's a separate company still. Vivendi Games is a defunct corporate entity at this point, it became defunct in 2008.
Corporations are screwy is the end result of all that.
I missed the part where it mentions that Activision owns Blizzard.
I do see that they make an effort to separate Activision's and Blizzard's titles, though.
And, who is "Robert Cotic"?
Here's some help (from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blizzard_Entertainment):
"Blizzard Entertainment, Inc. is an American video game developer and publisher founded on February 8, 1991 under the name Silicon & Synapse by three graduates of UCLA, Michael Morhaime, Allen Adham and Frank Pearce and is currently a subsidiary of American company Activision Blizzard, which itself is owned by French conglomerate Vivendi SA. Based in Irvine, California, the company originally concentrated primarily on the creation of game ports for other studios before beginning development of their own software in 1993 with the development of games like Rock n' Roll Racing and The Lost Vikings. In 1994 the company became Blizzard Entertainment Inc before being acquired by distributor Davidson & Associates and later by Vivendi. Shortly thereafter, Blizzard shipped their breakthrough hit Warcraft: Orcs & Humans. Blizzard went on to create several successful video games, including the Warcraft, StarCraft and Diablo series, and the MMORPG World of Warcraft.
On July 9, 2008, Activision officially merged with Vivendi Games, culminating in the inclusion of the Blizzard brand name in the title of the resulting holding company, though Blizzard Entertainment remains a separate entity with independent management. Blizzard Entertainment offers events to meet players and to announce games: the BlizzCon in California, United States, and the Blizzard Worldwide Invitational in other countries, such as Paris, France and Seoul, South Korea."
And, from (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Activision_Blizzard):
In December 2007, Activision announced that the company and its assets would merge with fellow games developer and publisher, Vivendi Games. René Penisson, formerly a member of the Management Board of Vivendi and Chairman of Vivendi Games, would serve as Chairman of Activision Blizzard. Bobby Kotick, once head of Activision, was announced to become President and CEO of Activision Blizzard.
In April 2008, the European Commission permitted the merger to take place. The commission essentially needed to approve that there weren't any antitrust issues in the merger deal. On July 8, 2008, Activision announced that stockholders had agreed to merge. The deal closed on July 9, 2008, and the total transaction was an estimated $18.9 billion. Activision was the majority shareholder, with a 52% stake in the company. The rest of the shares were held by institutional and private investors and continue to be traded on the NASDAQ stock market, for the first 10 trading days post closing as ATVID, and subsequently as ATVI. Jean-Bernard Levy will replace René Penisson as chairman of Activision Blizzard.
Activision and Blizzard Entertainment still exist as separate entities. The holding company does not publish games under its central name and instead uses its subsidiaries to publish games, similar to how Vivendi Games operated before the merger. The merger makes Activision parent company of Vivendi Games' former divisions.
While Blizzard retained its autonomy and corporate leadership, other Vivendi Games divisions did not. For example, long-time label Sierra ceased operation. With the merger, there was a rumor that if a Sierra product did not meet Activision's requirements, they "won't likely be retained." Some of Sierra's games such as Crash Bandicoot, Spyro the Dragon and Prototype have been retained and are now published by Activision. Also, due to the closure of Sierra, the Sierra Community Forums servers have been shut down as of November 1, 2008."
"Once again NeuroSplicer you have managed to impress me with how stupid you really are."
The one think I like about NeuroSplicer is that he tends to post easily refutable and factually inaccurate information - but when he is called on it, he'll typically disappear the forum he posted it in for a while before popping up somewhere else.