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We Killed: The Rise of Women in American Comedy [Hardcover]

Yael Kohen
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Book Description

October 16, 2012

No matter how many times female comedians buck the conventional wisdom, people continue to ask: “Are women funny?” The question has been nagging at women off and on (mostly on) for the past sixty years. It’s incendiary, much discussed, and, as proven in Yael Kohen’s fascinating oral history, totally wrongheaded.

In We Killed, Kohen pieces together the revolution that happened to (and by) women in American comedy, gathering the country’s most prominent comediennes and the writers, producers, nightclub owners, and colleagues who revolved around them. She starts in the 1950s, when comic success meant ridiculing and desexualizing yourself; when Joan Rivers and Phyllis Diller emerged as America’s favorite frustrated ladies; when the joke was always on them. Kohen brings us into the sixties and seventies, when the appearance of smart, edgy comedians (Elaine May, Lily Tomlin) and the women’s movement brought a new wave of radicals: the women of SNL, tough-ass stand-ups, and a more independent breed on TV (Mary Tyler Moore and her sisters). There were battles to fight and preconceptions to shake before we could arrive in a world in which women like Chelsea Handler, Sarah Silverman, and Tina Fey can be smart, attractive, sexually confident—and, most of all, flat-out funny.

As the more than 150 people interviewed for this riveting oral history make clear, women have always been funny. It’s just that every success has been called an exception and every failure an example of the rule. And as each generation of women has developed its own style of comedy, the coups of the previous era are washed away and a new set of challenges arises. But the result is the same: They kill. A chorus of creative voices and hilarious storytelling, We Killed is essential cultural and social history, and—as it should be!—great entertainment.


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From Booklist

Kohen’s lively oral history traces female comedians in America during the last six decades, showing how women doggedly fought their way into what was considered a male arena and thrived. The chronicle begins with the late, great Phyllis Diller, whom Kohen interviewed before her death, in August. Diller turned her own life into comedy, offering up joke after joke about being housewife to a loutish husband. While Diller mastered rapid-fire stand-up, Joan Rivers got her start lamenting her single status, and Lily Tomlin created eccentric characters. When Saturday Night Live came on the scene in 1975, Gilda Radner’s caricatures of public figures and original creations made an impression. Men largely dominated the show until the mid–1990s, when Molly Shannon’s hyperactive Catholic teen, Mary-Catherine Gallagher, became a sensation, paving the way for funny ladies Tina Fey, Amy Poehler, Maya Rudolph, and Kristen Wiig to make it big in the next decade. Filled with recollections from comedians, comedy-club owners, and writers, this remarkable oral history is a must-read for entertainment buffs. --Kristine Huntley

From Bookforum

Kohen winds up presenting a sort of Mr. Toad's Wild Ride of female comedy, one that inadvertently advances the notion that sorting comics based on a pair of chromosomes makes more sense than, say, tossing them into one of two groups: Funny and Not That Funny. From the hot-pink cover to the emotional high five of a title, Kohen's book has that whiff of feminist rallying that renders so much of the for-women, about-women universe faintly uncomfortable. —Heather Havrilesky

Product Details

  • Hardcover: 336 pages
  • Publisher: Sarah Crichton Books (October 16, 2012)
  • Language: English
  • ISBN-10: 0374287236
  • ISBN-13: 978-0374287238
  • Product Dimensions: 9.4 x 6.3 x 1.3 inches
  • Shipping Weight: 1.2 pounds (View shipping rates and policies)
  • Average Customer Review: 4.2 out of 5 stars  See all reviews (15 customer reviews)
  • Amazon Best Sellers Rank: #68,447 in Books (See Top 100 in Books)

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13 of 13 people found the following review helpful
5.0 out of 5 stars Do These Jokes Make Me Look Fat? October 16, 2012
Format:Hardcover
We Killed is like reading a good documentary film. It's organized roughly chronologically, from the 1960s to the present. The emphasis is on stand up comedy and TV. Author Yael Kohen introduces each chapter with a little background, then lets everyone speak for herself. Sometimes it seems as if there are several people in the same room, reminiscing and telling stories. Just as with the documentary film, the filmmaker, or in this case, the writer, is almost invisible to the viewer. Her questions aren't included and her remarks at the beginning of each chapter are brief.

At first, I thought the format was a awkward and I wanted a little more to connect the conversations, but then I forgot the format and was just enjoying reading about all these women (and a few men) talking about what it was like to write, perform, and get a foot in the door.

If you ever mistakenly thought that women aren't funny, you just have to read the lineup in this book to remind you of all the women who have made us laugh since the 1960s. Carol Burnett, Penny Marshall, Lily Tomlin, Mary Tyler Moore, and dozens more are all here. Even though Kohen includes a wide cross-section of women in comedy, you're bound to notice some of the women who aren't in the book, such as Julia Louis-Dreyfus, Tina Fey, Amy Poehler, and Betty White. The sheer number of notable women in comedy should prove the point that women are funny, and these are just the women on screen.

Reading about how some of my favorites got their starts was fun, but the real power of this book is in how the women dealt with the various degrees of sexism that existed in the 1960s and in many cases still exist today.

In addition to some surprising (and some not so surprising) stories about dealing with people who thought comedy was for boys only, I found myself thinking about some old favorites in a whole new way. For instance, The Dick Van Dyke Show included the first example of a career woman on TV, other than schoolteachers. And although much was made of her unsuccessful love life, the character Sally Rogers was an independent woman, dressed for success, had her own apartment in Manhattan, and was acknowledged as one of the best in her field as a TV comedy writer. There was no mention of her parents (as with That Girl, Ann Marie played by Marlo Thomas). Carl Reiner, the series creator, is to credit for the decision to include a credible career woman in the Dick Van Dyke Show. Since he had been a writer for Sid Caesar's Show of Shows back in the 1950s, which included the writer/comedian Imogene Coca, it seemed natural to him that a woman would be slinging jokes with the best of them. Now it seems funny that there was no talk about breaking barriers or being a token - Imogene Coca and Sally Rogers were just writers who were also women.
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7 of 7 people found the following review helpful
3.0 out of 5 stars Missing some history November 15, 2012
Format:Hardcover
While I think this book is an important one, I wish the author had concentrated just on women in stand-up comedy, especially since her historical knowledge of other fields, like TV broadcasting history, is greatly lacking. She begins her look at women as a force in the sitcom genre with "Mary Tyler Moore" which didn't debut until 1970! ?She thereby erases many important women on the screen and behind the scenes who were on the air long before "MTM." After all what about Madelyn Pugh Davies, she wrote a little show called "I Love Lucy." Other early female comedy writers include Selma Diamond, Lucille Kallen (from "Your Show of Shows"), Gertrude Berg and Peg Lynch, just to name a few. Furthermore to state that sitcoms pre-"MTM" never featured any single working women beyond "school teachers" (like Eve Arden in "Our Miss Brooks") is inaccurate as well. What about Ann Sothern as a hotel manager on her second sitcom, "The Ann Sothern Show" or Gale Storm as a ship's cruise director on her sitcom? Such narrow historical recounting doesn't do any favors for the readers and certainly not for women.
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3 of 4 people found the following review helpful
5.0 out of 5 stars essential history October 21, 2012
Format:Hardcover
Author Yael Kohen presents here an easy to access history of comedy, place and personality. It's all here in one place. 'We Killed' takes you behind the scenes of some of our most famous talents and is, quite naturally, hilarious. A great gift idea (for mom, for sis) for the upcoming holidays.
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Most Recent Customer Reviews
4.0 out of 5 stars WONDERFUL INSIDE VIEW OF LIVE TV COMEDY
Reading the personal accounts of some of our beloved comedians who were brave enough to do live and "on the cuff" comedy is what this is all about -- Very enjoyable and... Read more
Published 2 months ago by Frances D. Robertson
3.0 out of 5 stars Selective??
I read this book and found it mildly interesting. Does anyone know why there is absolutely no mention of Rosie O'Donnell in the book? Read more
Published 2 months ago by R. Surprenant
3.0 out of 5 stars Adequate coverage but not much more.
In general, this seemed a bit superficial to me, but material covering the environment in which these women had to function was of interest.
Published 3 months ago by Ranger
5.0 out of 5 stars Mandatory Read
All comedy nerds great and small need to read this.

All ladies great and small looking for inspiration regardless of career should read this.
Published 3 months ago by S. ONEILL
3.0 out of 5 stars Interesting Back Stories
If you enjoy comedy, you'll appreciate this synopsis of how women comics broke into a business dominated by men for decades.
Published 3 months ago by Kevin Curtis
3.0 out of 5 stars It's Hard Out Here for a Chick
Some chronicles of breaking into the comedy 'business' are interesting, most particularly two secretaries concluding that they could write for a major network show, and doing so. Read more
Published 4 months ago by letters2mary
5.0 out of 5 stars Super fun read
Author did a great job assembling pieces into an entertaining and cohesive whole. Illuminating first-person accounts of all these talents and characters and scenes. Dig it!
Published 4 months ago by J. Miller
5.0 out of 5 stars We Killed by Yael Kohen
You would not believe how excited I was for this book when I first saw the cover for it at BEA. I was waiting in line for the Katherine Applegate/Michael Grant signing and spent... Read more
Published 5 months ago by James F. Booth
4.0 out of 5 stars Interesting overview of women in comedy.
This book is full of first-hand accounts of the history of women in comedy. Stand-up, sketch, improv, and scripted shows are all covered. Read more
Published 5 months ago by Linda A. Marlia
5.0 out of 5 stars excellent and funny
What a great read! I loved the style of the historical book. The interviews between comedians were juxtaposed to feel like all these comedians were sitting in a room talking about... Read more
Published 6 months ago by jewbana
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