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35 of 36 people found the following review helpful:
5.0 out of 5 stars A passionate polemic against industrial civilization
While I'm going to disagree with a lot of what Derrick Jensen and his co-author Aric McBay have to say, I am in substantial agreement with their central thesis which is that industrial civilization is not sustainable as it currently exists. Whether industrial civilization can be altered to make it sustainable is what is arguable. Personally I believe it can be. Jensen...
Published on September 1, 2009 by Dennis Littrell

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2.0 out of 5 stars Careless writing
While Jensen is clearly passionate and energizes people towards activism, I agree with Bill McKibben who is quoted on the back cover of Jensen's book that he is "...occasionally unfair...." I know McKibben's judgment is accurate because of what Jensen writes about Buckminster Fuller, in which he completely misinterprets Fuller. Fuller was not a "technotopian." Fuller...
Published on November 23, 2009 by G. Milliken


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35 of 36 people found the following review helpful:
5.0 out of 5 stars A passionate polemic against industrial civilization, September 1, 2009
This review is from: What We Leave Behind (Paperback)
While I'm going to disagree with a lot of what Derrick Jensen and his co-author Aric McBay have to say, I am in substantial agreement with their central thesis which is that industrial civilization is not sustainable as it currently exists. Whether industrial civilization can be altered to make it sustainable is what is arguable. Personally I believe it can be. Jensen does not.

I'm giving five stars to this book because it is passionately written and full of insights and knowledge that I wish were more widely known and appreciated. Jensen is an extremely knowledgeable and brilliant man. He is also a bitter and angry man. This book is a long polemic against what he sees as the on-going destruction of this planet by an unsustainable industrial society, a society willfully ignorant of what it is doing.

Where I part company with Jensen is in the identification of the underlying problem, which to me is too many people on the planet. For some reason, although he obliquely acknowledges that we have too many people, Jensen deemphasizes the crucial importance of this fact and even ignores it to concentrate on mostly industrial pollution and the destruction of the planet's ecosystems by the industrial machine. Implicit and central to Jensen's understanding is the idea that if you are spending 10 calories of energy for every one calorie of food produced (see pages 339 and 361 for this claim, which I suspect is close to correct) you have a situation that is headed for collapse in a world with 6.5-billion people. If however the same ratio were applied to a world with say half a billion people, it might be sustainable since there would be a surplus of energy available. Of course it would be much better if we were to both reduce our numbers and to employ more economic and sustainable means of subsistence.

"What We Leave Behind" are the waste products of industrialized society. Jensen makes a distinction between the natural wastes from our bodies--including our bodies!--which help to sustain the planet's ecosystems, and the wastes from our industrial machines which mostly do not. These wastes include everything from toxic metals to rank poisons to plastics to spent nuclear materials. He seems to believe that we cannot keep these wastes from harming the planet whereas I believe we can. It is a question of the proper use of technology and a political willingness to do things in a non-polluting and sustainable manner. In part Jensen's cynicism stems from his observation that corporations which account for most of the pollution are psychopathic entities that exist to maximize profits while externalizing costs. That is their nature: they cannot behave otherwise. Externalizing costs means dumping wastes onto somebody else's backyard or onto the laps of future generations. Make no mistake about it: that is what our giant corporations are doing today and have been doing since their inception.

Let me jump ahead to Jensen's solution. He has a five point plan for resistance in the pen-ultimate chapter, "Fighting Back." I won't outline it here except to mention that for Jensen the goal does indeed justify the means. He wants the culture to be "dismantled completely" (p. 381) and he wants to employ and disrupt the "centralized industrial and economic systems" themselves. (p. 382). He believes that fighting back "means not using violence when it's appropriate to not use violence..." and "using violence when it is appropriate to use violence." (p. 383) Jensen justifies his extreme position with this rationale: "Do you think that Martin Luther King, Jr. would have been so successful if the government hadn't been afraid of Malcolm X?" (p. 397)

Jensen's argument rests on two presumptions, one, that things really are so bad and the planet's situation really so desperate that an overthrow of the system is imperative--now. And two, it is impossible for the system to change by its own accord. Like a junkie, industrial civilization must crash and burn before it has even a glimmer that change is necessary. After rejecting the possibility of a sustainable "technotopia"--a society in which technology is used in a sustainable way--Jensen comes to what he considers is most likely to happen: collapse. He recalls that Rome collapsed because it ran out of people and resources to exploit. He sees the same thing happening to industrial civilization. In this I think he may very well be correct because of the short-sightedness of our leaders and our institutions that are unable to look much past the next quarter's economic numbers.

Jensen argues that it is not enough to conserve energy and recycle wastes as individuals. Most of the waste and pollution comes from industry itself, as Jensen points out, not from individuals. His clarion call is nothing less than a call to revolution. I think this is correct (and probably inevitable) when the situation is truly desperate. But to take arms against the system when one's belly is full one must have the true believer's mentality, which in this case is the system will not change without the use of force. If there is a revolution against industrial civilization I suspect it will come from without, from those people in the exploited world who may very well be going to bed hungry and who have little to lose. In fact we may be seeing the scattered, disconnected and sporadic beginnings of a planetary revolution in the acts of terrorism that are today instigated by religious extremists. When the Vandals crash through the gates, we'll know. Until then it's unlikely that people in the industrialized world are going to heed Jensen's call to arms.

What I hope happens is that we have enough far-sighted, aware and educated people to bring about a change without having to go through the horrors of collapse or revolution. History suggests however that I am wrong and that Jensen is right.

Read or not read this extraordinary book at your peril.
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15 of 17 people found the following review helpful:
5.0 out of 5 stars The right book at the right time, April 23, 2009
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It sounds funny but I've been really waiting for a book about garbage. Anybody's who done a little bit of roadside clean up and wondered what the world will eventually look like if this continues will be discomforted to learn that we are creating the equivalent of several Manhattan's stacked end to end with garbage filled World Trade Centers a year and then some. This country alone.

Anybody's who's been smacking his or her head in the last year or two about eco-chic weddings, hybrid cars and biofuel will also be in good company. What's so incredible about this book is that the authors unmask not only the usual propagandists at work, but more importantly our own desires to delude ourselves.

This book also analyzes our relationship to the earth via decay and decomposition. I had never thought so much about these processes on such a microscopic scale. Anyone who's marveled at the collaboration happening in nature will be enthralled by this book's window into some of life's less savory collaborations (the conversion of the dead into food, of our own waste into food).

This book is not cheery reading but it's good medicine.

If you've read _Endgame_ by the way, this book goes into some new and very interesting places and I would say is ultimately more motivating. I also whole-heartedly recommend "How Shall I Live My Life?" which despite the overearnest title is the best collection of interviews I've ever read on the subject of not just environmentalism but also on living a full and beautiful life.
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6 of 6 people found the following review helpful:
5.0 out of 5 stars Only 8 reviews??, December 5, 2009
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This book NEEDS to be required reading for HUMANITY. Thank God these two gentlemen had the guts and the passion to research and write with such heartbreaking and bone-chilling force about the most pertinent topic there is - the future of this planet. There will be none to speak of if we continue to snuggle into our ignorance. The writing is magnificent and the sentiment is beyond provoking/eye-opening/upsetting. I couldn't put it down. I also highly recommend seeing the urgent and mind-bogglingly rendered "Age of Stupid." [...]
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3 of 3 people found the following review helpful:
5.0 out of 5 stars Reading it is like having a conversation with your own heart, May 31, 2010
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I have begun to read many environmental books. Often, I don't finish them, either because the treatment of the subject is too superficial, or because the writing makes them unappealing to read.

I picked up a copy of What we Leave Behind at my local library, intending to decide if it was worth checking out. This book was so good and so comfortable to read, that I ended up standing next to the book shelf for nearly an hour, until the library closed. I finished the book in one sitting at home that night.

The book's words are intelligent, humorous and very touching. The experience of reading them is even more profound than having a conversation with a trusted friend - it is like having a conversation with your own heart. That is a unique reading experience!

The book shows the dangers of compartmentalization. Compartmentalization is how Nazi doctors could try to help concentration camp inmates without ever challenging the system and assumptions that brought the victims to the camps.

Anyone who loves the natural world has noticed its decline - many species gone extinct, lakes so poisonous we can't even swim in them, let alone drink out of them as our ancestors did, an 80% reduction in birds over the past ten years, rises in cancer, a pile of garbage in the ocean the size of a continent, a dangerous decline in honey bees and now the horrendous BP oil spill - to name just a few. Compartmentalization allows us to care about the nonhuman animals on the planet and the lives of our children and grandchildren, without ever challenging the cultural assumptions that brought the world to this sickening (literally), sad and dangerous place.

What we Leave Behind rips down those compartments. Without those these barriers, the knowledge we already have can flow freely (which I suppose is why it feels like the authors' message comes from inside your own heart). The reader is left with a stunning clarity of vision.

What we Leave Behind makes a more than compelling case that we can and must stand up to this culture and radically change it. If we want to spare any life on earth, including our own, we have no choice.

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2 of 2 people found the following review helpful:
5.0 out of 5 stars A brilliant call to action, December 21, 2009
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This book (like all of Derrick Jensen's books), opens the reader's eyes and heart to the ways we connect to the natural world, and to the destructiveness of the civilized way of life. Our understanding of this is essential -- nothing less than the fate of the planet is at stake. Jensen's writing is personal, insightful and poetic, and the truth he speaks can not be denied.
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4 of 5 people found the following review helpful:
5.0 out of 5 stars scariest book I've ever read, June 1, 2009
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It's easily the most depressing book I could read . . .on the other hand, Jensen has ideas for remediation of the mess we're making. Read, weep, and learn.
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1 of 1 people found the following review helpful:
5.0 out of 5 stars a must read., May 2, 2011
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Turns the microscope on the dominant culture with unflinching honesty, a real wake up call for climate change ostriches and armchair environmentalists alike. An easy read and an effective combination of humour (satire being so effective at getting your point across), startling facts, polemic language and courage.
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3 of 4 people found the following review helpful:
5.0 out of 5 stars A title perfect for sociology, general-interest or ecology libraries, June 16, 2009
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Responsible living on the planet is the theme of a reflective survey on the line of Thoreau and Mumford in scope. It offers reflections on basic beliefs leading to living clean, natural lives and it comes from an award-winning author and activist who blend history with such ecological philosophy for a title perfect for sociology, general-interest or ecology libraries.
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7 of 12 people found the following review helpful:
2.0 out of 5 stars Careless writing, November 23, 2009
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While Jensen is clearly passionate and energizes people towards activism, I agree with Bill McKibben who is quoted on the back cover of Jensen's book that he is "...occasionally unfair...." I know McKibben's judgment is accurate because of what Jensen writes about Buckminster Fuller, in which he completely misinterprets Fuller. Fuller was not a "technotopian." Fuller considered a tree or a dragonfly as the most exquisite technology, so when he uses the word technology he is not suggesting some future machine world; he's talking about our entire physical environment. Fuller simply shows that by reforming our physical world we can bring out the best in every individual. That's why Fuller embraced the ideas of Maria Montessori, for example. Fuller's ideas begin and end with a reverence and awe of nature. Fuller's roots go back to the transcendentalists of Emerson and his great aunt Margaret Fuller who celebrated enlightenment ideas not divorced from their spiritual underpinnings. When Jensen writes, "If the ultimate Fullerian future did exist, it wouldn't include humans." Or, "In short, technotopians are insane: out of touch with physical reality," he is so wrong about Fuller that it calls everything else he writes into question. Perhaps Jensen's reckless qualities are what make him a well-known activist and instigator. I have nothing against activists. We need more of them. But in this case, Jensen is not a thoughtful writer. If we are serious about a better future we need to work with the principles of nature, take a very close look at design as Fuller, and the following generation such as William McDonough, Amory Lovins, and John Todd have done.
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17 of 36 people found the following review helpful:
3.0 out of 5 stars Nothing like a little preaching to the choir., March 25, 2009
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Maybe it's the goal of books like this to whip the readership into a frenzy. Problem is, the readership is already in a frenzy.

The intended audience for this book is the problem. We're already there, and scaring us further is mainly a good way to make the fight look futile and un-winnable. No matter how brilliantly deployed, reality in the face of idealistic dogma will never, ever win. The idealistic dogma of might makes right, human kind os the only kind...those sorts of anti-science blinders...are what require change, but facts never changed good fiction. God still exists thanks to that.

I've yet to make it through one of the author's books without feeling just overwhelmed by the truckload of sad, depressing things that are also common knowledge. Yes, he's good at spinning the words in new ways, but the message is the same one we already know. It won't change minds. It won't change the way you live.

Don't buy a book for that. Write a list. Then go do something about it.
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