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Wong on Dice

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I have enjoyed reading all of Frank Scoblete's craps books, "Forever Craps," "Beat the Craps Out of the Casinos," and "The Craps Underground," and I respect his judgment as a gambling authority. But I have to disagree with his five-star review of this particular book.

The book is written by someone who has just learned to practice a controlled throw having taken a class from golden touch and the book is therefore the early judgments of someone who really doesn't have a full grasp of the technique of dice control as would someone who has been involved with the skill as would Sharpshooter and Scoblete. These are the thoughts of a novice and as such you have to take them with a big grain of salt. In another year his thoughts might be different.

Maybe writers stick together and that's why Scoblete gave the book such a good rating. There is a tremendous amount of fluff in the book about dice challenges between Wong and unbelievers that are truly boring and comments throughout by people who are not themselves controlled shooters. Who cares what these people think? They don't know anything! Their ideas and opinions are worthless but they do take up space in an otherwise somewhat skimpy book.

If you want to read a book on precision dice shooting, then get Sharpshooter's book before you get this one.

Here are my ratings of the dice books available for sale on Amazon. I've read them all.

1. Forever Craps (five stars)
2. The Craps Underground (five stars)
3. Beat the Craps Out of the Casinos (Expanded Version - Five Stars)
4. Get the Edge at Craps (three stars)
5. Beat the Craps Out of the Casinos - original version (three stars)
6. Wong on Dice (two stars)
7. Dice Control for Casino Craps (one star)
8. John Patrick's Advanced Craps (one star)
9. Tina Trapp's Guide to Craps (one star)
10. Gamble to Win: Advanced Craps (one star)

You must own this book if you are considering dice control!!! Stanford Wong is giving you info not trying to you sell something else. His practice tips are spot on and of course the math is perfect.

This was the first book I read on precision shooting and advantage craps play. At a time when I was ready to give up on craps as hopelessly random, this book drove home the basic concepts of precision shooting and advantage play. The advice paid immediate dividends only a month after reading; I realized consistent, improved results on my throws, and was able to classify and bet smartly on other players. As a result, I'm now enjoying the game much more and seeing improved dollar returns.
The key is that it delivered the concepts in dosages that I could digest as a newbie. This made it less daunting to get started on practicing/training at home. Also, the book gave me the "hooks" upon which to hang the more expansive knowledge I'm now getting in books such as the "Mad Professor's Crapshooting Bible", and "Beating the Craps Out of the Casinos". I honestly don't think I could handle the Mad Prof if I hadn't read Wong first!
All that being said, I thing Wong could probably use a better ghost-writer or editor to help him organize the information a little more logically. You may find yourself jumping around this book from section-to-section.
Also, be warned that about half the book is spent on "front-line" tales that, while somewhat entertaining journalism, are less educational about how to get the job done.
So, I would classify this book as Advantage Craps Play 101, and let readers know to plan on shopping for deeper follow-up information.

If you're no nonsense, like the facts straightforward this is your book. Also for the number crunches there's plenty of pages of odds and payouts.

Read this book BEFORE you try to develop dice setting skill. It will save you alot of time. It is one of two books that should be in the library of any crap shooter. The other book is The Mad Professor's Crapshooter Bible.

Stanford Wong has been one of the great gambling minds of the past quarter century with expertise in blackjack, sports betting, and tournament strategies. In 2004, he decided to see if there was anything to dice control, the advantage-play method at craps, first formulated by the Captain of Craps in the late 1970s for the modern casino environment.

Stanford signed up to take the two-day Golden Touch Craps dice control seminar that was offered in Las Vegas in 2004. I was one of the instructors at that seminar and I was able to watch an astute mind come to the realization that indeed dice control was the real thing and with hard work and many weeks, if not many months of practice, a good dice controller could get an edge over the casinos.

Getting such an edge required three things:

1. A controlled throw that offset the normal probabilities of two dice
2. A betting system that could be overcome by such a throw
3. How to handle other players at the tables, players who shot the dice in a random way

As with many a skeptic who has seen the light, Wong has become a strong advocate of dice control as the way to beat the game of casino craps. He has indeed gained an edge with his shooting and has been frequenting the casinos putting into practice in the casinos what he practiced at home.

He has now written a book about dice control and his experiences since he took the Golden Touch Craps dice control two-day seminar and a follow-up lesson two months later with Beau Parker. Wong on Dice is an excellent book that shows novice players how to approach dice control at the game of craps. He opens the book with a discussion of how craps is played and then moves on to the more salient material. Wong covers many of the common elements that must be mastered in order to turn the game of craps in your favor, including: the grip, the alignment, and the delivery. He discusses several good dice sets as well as the need for backspin and softness in the landing.

One of his especially good sections has to do with practice techniques and how to judge whether your dice are behaving as they should. His betting advice is intelligent and quite conservative, an important ingredient because even some of the best dice controllers can't overcome the high house edges on some of the bets at craps. Chapter 11 goes into how to find your seven-to-rolls ratio using various dice sets.

Wong on Dice is definitely a book that serious craps players should consider buying. Stanford Wong was a good student and he has written a good book.

Frank Scoblete
Author of Golden Touch Dice Control Revolution

This book is great if you want to learn the statistical probabilities of throwing a 3 on your 40th throw of the dice but not very informative if you're trying to learn how to win at craps.

If you are going to buy a book on Dice setting I think that Scoblete's books are much more informative and interesting