If you're asking us to list down worse bestsellers, then I think we would all be remiss not to list down Twilight, as it gave birth to this disgusting spawn (speaking of birth...*shudders*). It is also just as horribly written, boring, and glorifies all the things that are wrong with humanity. And half the world's obsessed with it.
Now for less obvious picks, I choose Eragon. Paulini is a better writer than either Meyer or James, but he was still a tween when he wrote this derivative Star Wars knock off, and it shows. Too bad his writing NEVER improved when he actually grew up, probably since he's well insulated from criticism and think he's the next Tolkien (barf). Well, at least he actually wrote like his age at one point, unlike those two middle aged twits.
HOW did this get published instead of rightfully rejected, much less become #1 bestseller?!! I am STUNNED! Was the publisher illiterate? Or did they get enticed by the boring sex scenes and decided to sacrifice the English language in its entirety?!
So if I write a porno book, does that mean I will become #1 bestselling author? Oh, why haven't I thought of that?! *mental head slap* The reason being is that I thought our society valued a plot and strong leading characters. if I thought that all they wanted was boring sex scenes that looked like they were torn from a teenager's diary, then I should have gotten together with my girlfriends in the girls' locker room ten years ago and wrote down our sexual fantasies. Plus my heroine would be spunky and feisty, unlike Bella... I mean Ana and her pathetic self.
this is what i said earlier, if i knew anyone could be an author these days i would have already written a book (which would be alot better than James I tell ya) and I would be happy sitting on my millions!!!!!!!! are you kidding me?????
I do not understand you Marianne, if you HATED FSOG so much, why would you even attempt to read BTY, I am sure you looked at the reviews first, almost everyone compares it to FSOG, so why would you even bother. Anytime someone asks what to read after FSOG, for those who enjoyed it, someone will say, including myself, read "Bared to You". Is is possible that the erotica genre is not for you, because I really can't think of any book you would not find offensive.
No, they are both equally controlling, she is not a pushover like Ana. Eva is nothing like Ana, she doesn't take any crap from Gideon. But, there is ALOT of gratuitous sex, and the plot does center around past abuse, on both sides.
Scout i have nothing to say to you! So as a result of this ive put you on ignore just like i did with frankie! I dont owe you an explanation about the way I feel about anything in here! My responses will be to Sara and Westphal and anyone else who comes in here that wishes to discuss these books! The comments on BTY and FSOG no longer are directed to you!
Sara, if youre referring to the male character in Bared To You he is a carbon copy of Christian and is very controlling like him! This book is a spinoff of FSOG! If you hated FSOG you will detest Bared To You! Like I said before I couldnt even finish the book!! But again everyone is entitled to their opinion on this subject! :)
Sara, the male character in BTY is not like Christian, because the female character is not like Ana, and there lies the difference. Plus there is no BDSM. The story is somewhat similiar, yet the differences are the reason why I don't think you would have a problem with it.
Marianne, I don't know what is wrong with you. You obviously cannot stand when people disagree with you and this is the just you behaving badly when that happens. I never said anything to you other then I do not agree with your assessment, which as you said about your opinion, I am entitled to my own. I do not feel that Ana was raped, and I was truly interested in why you felt that way and asked you to point out where and when this happened. I like to think if I make such a statement I could back it up. You called me terrible names and said very mean things, causing me to say you sound like a mean old lady, and I think your comments at the time warranted that. When Sara and W asked my why I like FSOG I really tried to explain, I did not bash them for disagreeing with me, no one should be bashed for their opinion. I don't think that saying someone was raped is an opinion, therefore I stand by my statement, saying someone was raped when they weren't is irresponsible and you should retract that statement. Ignore me all you want, I don't care, why should I, I don't even know you. But maybe you should put your big girl panties on and back-up your statement, you owe it to everyone who reads what you write!
I want to add, the comments about BTY were for Sara, not for you Marianne, so I do not know what you are talking about!
Thanks for your input. I do not hate fsog for the BDSM. I think it's very arousing to have a guy control a woman in the bedroom. The role of a sub in my opinion is sexually exciting. One of my sexual fantasies is to be bossed around and commanded in the bedroom. I like the thought of transferring all control to the guy and to be helpless. I consider myself a feminist (not a hard core one). I believe every woman is a feminist on some level. Anyway, I digress. The reason I hate fsog is that it enrages the feminist in me and has an abusive theme. It is the controlling outside the bedroom that I have a problem with. Therein lies the abuse and manipulation. I agree with L'tl Scout, I think I might like Bared to You because the heroine is not spineless like Ana. Plus, I don't mind the dark backgrounds in either characters as long as they don't use it as an excuse for continuing the abuse.
Afterthought: if Ana was sexually excited by Christian's sexual lifestyle and not turned off by it and if she didn't tolerate his manipulation and insufferable manner and showed some spunk, I would have most likely given the book a three star rating instead of a one star rating.The way an author paints her heroine really affects the enjoyability of a novel.
Sara, i think we interpret this book as we see fit, we pick different things out of this book that maybe others do not! If you read BTY and you like it thats fine with me, youre entitled to read and think whatever you want and so am I! I did not like the book and i will not be insulted by others for not liking it! You didnt do that but others did! and my sexual abuse happened, no ifs and or buts! I dont like being told i was lying about something so horrific and this is why Frankie is on ignore and will stay that way! Scout and I dont get along and thats fine with me too, I dont have to explain to her or any1 how i feel, my take on these books is what I feel and thats that! To constantly be criticized the way Ive been is so wrong and this is why Ive put Scout on ignore because I will not take the brunt of her insults anymore either! My choice! I dont come here to be put down and the ones that do that to me are not worth my time and effort to keep posting to them and trying to get my points across. Ive done that and I will do it no more!!! The thing is, I dont care anymore what people say about me, i know whats true and my opinions are my own! I dont have to justify myself to these people! You and Westphal have always been kind to me whether we agree about these books or not,right? and so it should be! I will continue to look forward to reading your posts minus the ones I no longer care to associate with for obvious reasons! :)
Marianne you are so full of it. First, I never insulted you, I just didn't agree with you, I guess in your world that is taken as an insult. I don't see where asking you to explain something that I or maybe someone else did not see when reading FSOG, especially something so serious as rape, maybe as an adult, an explaination is warranted, especially since you are so passionate about it. No you do not have to explain how you feel, that is your choice, but when you make a comment that someone does not agree with you about, on an open to the public board, you can expect to be called out on it. You have said terrible, mean things to anyone who does not agree with you, then when it gets tough, there you go with the poor me everyone is so mean to me speech, give me a break. You can ignore me all you want, but I want anyone who see's my name in your posts to know what they will be getting into. So I give a heads up, if you engage Marianne on any boards and you do not agree with her, prepare for her foul language and mean insults, and if you try to give any back just like any true bully, she will put you on ignore.
I can see why rape is being used here. Ana is a stupid, ignorant girl. Christian is a master at manipulation. He coerced Ana into engaging in the sexual activities. He manipulated Ana into having sex with him. Some may call that rape. I despise Christian. Their relationship is toxic and the author is glorifying abuse. He took advantage of Ana's naivete. However, with all that being said, I think there was no rape. Legally, rape is when the other party does not consent to it. Ana may have the mind of a fourteen year old, but she was legally an adult. Even though she may have never been interested or looked at any man in a lustful way before Christian (which is unbelievable), her hormones melted at the sight of Fifty Shades of Messed Up's beauty. It's like all of a sudden her sex hormones had awakened from their deep slumber. She wanted to have sex with him, despite her confusion and uncertainty. Her zillion orgasms were inserted in the book to emphasize that Ana was enjoying the sex, despite her conflicting thoughts. Personally, I never pictured Ana as a twenty-one year old girl; I saw her as a socially awkward teenager who's just gotten her period. So whenever Christian made sexual advances on Ana, it seemed like statutory rape. I blame the author for not being able to narrate the story with finesse. She's smudged the concept of consensual sex. She's equated BDSM with abuse and glorified unhealthy relationships. Ana is the wrong character for a BDSM-centered novel. She constantly dithers, complains, doesn't know what she wants, she tolerates what Christian does to her because she's afraid of him (that can potentially be seen as rape, because a victim can consent to sex against her will out of fear of being beaten and punished), tries to "cure" the BDSM out of Christian's lifestyle, and is infuriatingly ambivalent about the Red Room of Pain. In my opinion, there was no rape in the legal term, but Christian's coercion and manipulation and his sexually exploiting Ana because of the fact that she's unwordly and stupid paints an unpleasant picture that resembles rape. As I said, it's the author's fault for not having the ability to depict the story in a finer way. Anyway, that's my opinion.
*I have purchased Bared to You. If I don't like that, then I'll steer clear of erotica.*
I did not ever see her as a teenager, I did see her as naive. I will say that after they broke up the first time, after she left at the end of the first book, Christian never, as he told her, never would lay a hand on her, there would be no "red room" unless she asked or initiated it first, he never wavered on that. He also told her that she always had the safe word that she choose not to use which would have stopped the spanking in the first place, as what happened later on, she used the safe word and their play stopped immediately. I have never disagreed that the book could have been written so much better, a good editor could have pointed out the problems and fixed a lot of issues. There were a lot of "ick" moments for me. I don't feel he exploited Ana because as it is written he really did love her, but he did not know how to handle being truly in love, it was new to him. Ana, in my opinion was as much to blame for their problems as he was, she was written with too much conflict with what she wanted or didn't, she never stopped complaining. I guess for me, because he never did anything to her without her consent, for me there was no rape and I always looked at her as a college girl, so her age never factored in for me, he was young also. I didn't like the way she described the way he dressed, sounded like the way a women in her 40's to 50's would find a man attractive, she should have drove around where 20 somethings hang out and check out their dress codes, lol! She kind of made a 26 yr old sound creepy, when I am sure that is not what she meant to do. After reading so much on these boards, I can't say I haven't been influenced, there were things I had not considered before that I do now, but I will not bend on the rape thing, badly written yes, rape, absolutely not, which is the most vile act one person could do to another and should not be used unless it really happened, real or fiction.
Christian sounds more like a pimp to me. I have no problem with the sex, but the storyline was just weak and teenagerish! If anyone has read the "Clan of the Cave Bear" series by Jane Auel, you know that there are quite a bit of sex between the main characters, but the books had storylines which were well developed. The FSOG reads more like a porno novel. I am a reader so I expect more from a Bestseller.
i agree with you James, its very frustrating to read a book that is worth less, I expect so much more too! A good book has to have a good plot and characters which in this case of FSOG missed the mark totally!
I think I'm traumatized. Whenever I read words such as "gasp," "blush," "flush," etc (in another book), I instantly remember Fifty Shades of Horrific Writing and how I struggled through it. Thanks to Ms. James, I've read those words enough times which caused a neural pathway to form. UGH! How can I UNREAD this book! :(
i know what you mean Sara, 50shades leaves a very bad taste in your mouth doesnt it? Try reading the Bronze Horseman by Paullina Simons and I guarantee you wont think of 50 shades again! This book is wonderful! A true love story with alot of history! This author knows how to write!!!!
Thanks, Marianne. I checked the reviews, and it looks like a great story. I'm glad to hear you enjoyed it. However, I'm not much into romance or historical/war stories. I enjoy mainly chic lit, horror, thrillers, and mysteries. Having a bit of romance splashed into these books is my cup of tea.
im not into historical romances either but i had to buy it and given the great reviews on it im glad I did! Try it sometime (if you care to!) Thrillers are my favorite, do you recommend any??? horror too! :)