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Would we even have this discusion if President Obama was white?


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In reply to an earlier post on Jun 1, 2012 2:28:08 PM PDT
C. Gonzales says:
Let's see HIPAA for one covers medical records which birthers have asked access to. FERPA covers college records. Hawaii birth records are protected by Hawaiian Statute HRS 338-18. Those are just a few. He's spent no money "hiding" records you don't have the right to access.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 2, 2012 12:27:34 AM PDT
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Posted on Jun 2, 2012 12:47:40 AM PDT
Sophist says:
"the changes of name, the Barry Soetoro"

Every time you people bring this up I ask for you to show me some evidence Obama ever had his name legally changed, and you ignore me. Please, PLEASE, just show me something, ANYTHING, that indicates his name was ever officially "Barry Soetoro".

Put up or shut up.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 2, 2012 4:50:47 AM PDT
Dalekmaster says:
"...the changes of name, the Barry Soetoro..."

Prove it, Juneberry.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 2, 2012 10:51:11 AM PDT
C. Gonzales says:
No legal namechange. No actual documentation from the Indonesian government nor American government indicating he was ever known as Barry Soetoro. You say you trust no one Jack then why do you trust crazy nutjob blogs who lie to you?

She didn't come back with Barack. He travelled about a year or 2 before her so he had his own US passport.

You have the document from every state or is this just another of your claims?

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 2, 2012 11:57:46 AM PDT
Jimmy E. says:
Psst...there is no law on the books in ANY state requiring the verification of a candidate's birth. It is the responsibility of those running against a candidate to challenge their opponent's credentials to hold office.
One of Barack Obama's opponents did challenge his credentials to hold office, America's Independent Party candidate, Allen Keyes. Keyes lost his challenge.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 2, 2012 4:48:37 PM PDT
Raedwulf says:
No name changes.

No need to verify the birth certificate before anyone asked (at least, beyond the verification that is inherent in the document itself).

Your Pelosi myth is not true.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 2, 2012 4:57:33 PM PDT
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In reply to an earlier post on Jun 2, 2012 5:03:32 PM PDT
If you have never had a U.S. Passport before and are least 16 years of age, you are a New Passport Applicant. A New Passport Applicant is also someone who currently has a U.S. Passport that was issued more than 15 years ago.

So, you are saying that he had a US Passport at the age of 10, are you?

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 2, 2012 5:05:59 PM PDT
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In reply to an earlier post on Jun 2, 2012 5:23:13 PM PDT
"And you don't think that the mother and father registering him is school under the name of Barry Soetoro is an official name change."

An "official name change" requires filling out the proper documentation to legally change your name. Your parent filling your name out as something different on an unrelated form doesn't count. It's really very simple. An "official name change" means only one thing, and there's simply no paperwork indicating an official name change. Doesn't mean it's -impossible-, there's just nothing to support the claim.

"Or is it an alias that he must report when they ask if you have ever used anyother name?"

When organizations like the Bar ask about any other names you've used, they typically mean names you've used as an adult. They don't care what your parents called you when you were a little kid, unless it was a different -legal- name. What they're concerned about is activities you may be hiding under different names -- you know, criminal aliases and the like. What your parents called you when you were 5-6 doesn't raise those kinds of concerns.

Of course, this is all wholly irrelevant to the overarching point of this forum, which is Obama's eligibility. Doesn't really matter if he had a secret alias or even if his name was legally changed. Having a name change doesn't affect your eligibility in the slightest.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 2, 2012 5:50:13 PM PDT
Sophist says:
"And you don't think that the mother and father registering him is school under the name of Barry Soetoro is an official name change."

Because it isn't. You legal name is your legal name, unless and until you go through the process of having it officially changed to something else. What your parents write on a school admission form carries no legal weight. They could have written anything on there, *anything*, and it's effect on any part of Obama's legal status would be nil.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 2, 2012 7:45:50 PM PDT
Jimmy E. says:
I don't. I think it was parents trying to help a six year old fit in going to school in a foreign country.

Posted on Jun 2, 2012 7:54:13 PM PDT
Jimmy E. says:
We had a president who was born with the name Leslie Lynch King but the world knew him as Gerald R. Ford.

We had a President who was born with the name Wiiiam Blythe but the world knows him as Bill Clinton.

Those are OFFICIAL name changes not unofficial.

All that matters is that Barack Obama has official documents showing that he was born in Honolulu, Hawaii on August 4, 1961 and no one has been able to counter those facts in evidence in four years of trying.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 2, 2012 8:51:00 PM PDT
Tuli Reno says:
Uppity??? No one ever says that about a white person. I would like to weigh in on the answer to the question "Would we be having this discussion if President Obama were white?" The answer is entirely too obvious:

NO

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 2, 2012 10:29:09 PM PDT
Ah, but that is the point, if Soetoro adopted Barack and in the adoption changed the name to Barry soetoro then it would be a valid claim.
But we can not verify the name either way because adoption records are secret in this country.
And that may be why they won't show the bc because it was amended when BO was adopted by Soetoro.

His stepfather may have the right to change the name in Indonesia as that may be a Muslim right in that country!

But we do know he called himself Barry Soetoro at some time don't we?

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 2, 2012 10:30:08 PM PDT
Why did we have it about McCain then? Oh, he is multi-racial also and should have been investigated.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 2, 2012 11:44:25 PM PDT
Sophist says:
"Ah, but that is the point, if Soetoro adopted Barack and in the adoption changed the name to Barry soetoro then it would be a valid claim."

If if if. The mantra of the birther.

"But we can not verify the name either way because adoption records are secret in this country."

That's. Not. How. It. Works.

The secret part of adoption records is the the part relating to who the child is adopted FROM, not who the child it adopted BY. The BIRTH PARENT is the secret. If Lolo Soetoro had adopted Obama, the fact that Obama was adopted might be privileged, but that fact that Soetoro was his parent and legal guardian wouldn't be.

"But we do know he called himself Barry Soetoro at some time don't we?"

And?

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 2, 2012 11:48:27 PM PDT
Sophist says:
"Why did we have it about McCain then?"

We didn't. A few people wondered about it, looked into it a little, and when they saw that the evidence suggested he was a NBC, that was that, and basically nobody ever thought about it again.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 3, 2012 4:28:41 AM PDT
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Dalekmaster says:
"Ah, but that is the point, if Soetoro adopted Barack and in the adoption changed the name to Barry soetoro then it would be a valid claim."

There's the magic "if" again.

"And that may be why they won't show the bc because it was amended when BO was adopted by Soetoro."

Boy, are you wrong. (Shocking, I know.) Adoption doesn't change birth records. Besides, you've never shown any evidence of Soetoro adopting Obama. Not that it matters anyway as he was still born in Hawaii.

"His stepfather may have the right to change the name in Indonesia as that may be a Muslim right in that country!"

Sounds like someone has a tiny little hangup about Muslims.

"But we do know he called himself Barry Soetoro at some time don't we?"

In third grade, Jovicentric.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 3, 2012 4:30:59 AM PDT
Dalekmaster says:
"Why did we have it about McCain then?"

We didn't. Someone asked why he was eligible if he wasn't born in the US, it was pointed out that both his parents were US citizens and that was the end of that.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 3, 2012 6:40:04 AM PDT
J. Potter says:
Hmmm, why wouldn't the predominantly WASP birthers object to McCain? Yet they feel compelled to object to Obama, Rubio, Romney .... a few of the diehards made a murmur about Santorum. Gosh, if this keeps up too long, this birther game might get a bit transparent.

Posted on Jun 3, 2012 10:25:52 AM PDT
Bookgirl says:
To my knowledge, he's as much white as he is black.
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