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You Don't Know Me but You Don't Like Me: Phish, Insane Clown Posse, and My Misadventures with Two of Music's Most Maligned Tribes Paperback – June 11, 2013
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“I love this book. Not only is it funny and well written, but it is, dare I say… beautiful. People could learn a thing or two from Nathan. Instead of judging new things and keeping them at bay because they’re 'scary' or 'shitty,' he embraces them and walks away with rich life experiences. So, give yourself a rich life experience of your own and read this book. Then, when you’re finished, go and see a Phish show. What do you have to lose? Nothing. What do you have to gain? – maybe they’ll play a thirty minute “Tweezer” and you’ll get to see god.” (Harris Wittels)
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Top Customer Reviews
I usually finish everything, but I'm going to go with the "life's too short to waste on boring books" philosophy for this one.
It seems like the author (and he admits this) is just trying to fill pages. Very repetitive (how many times can you write that a show was a good time? (Answer:257 pages of times).He admits to being anxious that he would't be able to fill a book and the reader can tell.
Also, there is no mention of his mental illness... just all of a sudden, one day, he is "falling apart" by his own definition. However, there is no evidence of this behaviorally, no explanation of how it came on, if it's ever happened in the past, is he used to it or is this something totally new, It's confusing to the reader. We get 4 chapters of normal mental acuity and then all of a sudden, there are a few pages saying he's crazy. Since it's so out of nowhere, and doesn't have much to back it up, it seems kind of... I hate to say this but... self-indulgent. (For the record, I have a mental illness and I also treat people with MI. I don't look down on it. I just don't think he writes about his experience very convincingly.)
The main topic of the book (the author's experience following two very different bands) is such a weird concept that the writing would have to be really tight and focused to pull that off and it wasn't. It could have been a great book, but he let it slip away. The author rambles and seems lost in his writing. It's one thing to be emotionally lost and write about it, while it's another to have lost your focus and subject matter completely.
I don't give reviews that often and I don't enjoy giving bad ones but I really had to put this book down after giving it a couple of weeks of tries.
After reading this book I have respect for ICP and realized that I'm simply guilty of judging a book by its cover. Judging ICP and their fans is like judging Phish heads for what they do w/o fully understanding why they do what they do. Fact is when music touches you and you find your 'people' it truly is the gift of a lifetime and no one has the right to judge that.
I think the line that really hit me hard was when the author and his girlfriend were standing in line to see ICP and a man with a scar on his face turned around and mentioned that this is the only place where he doesn't feel like a freak. That really hit me because even free thinking people can become jaded and judgmental. Though I don't consider myself a juggalo and probably won't go see ICP my eyes are open and I have respect for them and their tribe.
The Phish portions were great as I feel like the author maintained a presence in the audience/crowd vs. got in the inside. I've been seeing Phish for almost 20 years now and during that time I've bumped into them in the lot, hotels, etc... Each time I found myself with nothing to say. There's something mystique about Phish and sometimes I wonder if meeting the band would ruin it. That's what I found cool about this book is it kind of maintained that aspect and kept it real.Read more ›
Then again, the book didn't turn out to be that, either. Lacking vision, it becomes a druggy travelogue. Basically the author tells his drug stories, which later in the book he admits aren't very interesting if you aren't the one experiencing them. Exactly.
It's a real shame, because I really would like to learn more about ICP fans and Phish fans. I'd like to hear their stories and what motivates them to follow these bands. There's maybe three or four pages in the book that talks about it in a quick summation. The rest of the book is about the author doing drugs and talking about his mental breakdown. The mental breakdown is supposed to be the arc of the story, but it doesn't really work because we're really not invested in the author. The author does seem to have interesting back story, but since it's only hinted at, I don't really know him or care, and therefore really don't care about his mental breakdown.
The writing is hard to follow and changes direction often. When he does talk about certain fans, they're forgotten sentences later as the direction shifts yet again. I wonder if this is more a function of the author being hazy and under the influence during most of the encounters.
The only good thing I'd say about the book is it would make a good beach read -- you know, when the material is light, you can look away often to check out the surf and other beachgoers, and return to it without having to really worry about where you last left off.
Most Recent Customer Reviews
I read this awhile ago, but for anyone who enjoys a memoir-ish ramble through ups and downs while simultaneously engaging with and digging into seriously unique subcultures, I... Read morePublished 3 days ago by Gregory Voll
I actually enjoyed this book (I see a lot of others didn't). I didn't come in to this book with any expectations- I had really enjoyed how he connected his own stories of personal... Read morePublished 2 months ago by margieebee
Interesting concept, poor execution. The author presents as overly dramatic, and his constant references to "my beloved Cadence" were grating. Read morePublished 6 months ago by Judge Smails
This book blew me away and I don't dare say that lightly. Picture hurricane-level winds pushing me from page to page in anticipation. Read morePublished 8 months ago by Brooklyn Young
I'm a Phish fan, and I have no firm opinion on ICP; my rating is not a reflection of the subject matter. Read morePublished 14 months ago by Daniel O.
Great read. Highly recommended for music lovers, fans of good narratives
And phish fans around the globe. C above book for enjoyment
Self-indulgent rambling drug-use anecdotes do not a good book make. Unique subject matter in terms of the bands, but not the protagonist. Read morePublished 16 months ago by Southpaw
Nathan Rabin sets out a critic of these subcultures that, for some reason, infuriate those who don't get them. He goes in with the intention to understand, and dives right in. Read morePublished 20 months ago by Roon