It had its similarities to the first book of The Mortal Instrument Series; the characters seemed somewhat to shadow the same ones as in the series as well. For example, Will was Jace, Jem was Alec, and Tessa was Clary. There were differences in the characters actions, but Jace and Will seemed to be exactly the same. Both afraid of attachments because of what they've lost before.
The storyline isn't the same though, I love that. It was a very pleasant book to read!
Thoughts on the book: I really enjoyed it! No matter how much the automatons creeped me out. I'm glad that it's not the same as The Mortal Instruments, and I actually like Tessa a lot more than I ever liked Clary. I thought that Mortmain turning out t be the bad guy was a bit predictable, but I didn't see Nate coming! I actually didn't expect him to be rescued until the last book, or thought that maybe he'd be killed off early on.
My feelings for Will are confusing; a like him, but at the same time, he bothers me. It's just...he's Jace, but with a different color scheme. Now, don't get me wrong, I love Jace, but the prospect of having another Jace-character as the central love interest is a bit boring. I'm hoping that Tessa will ultimately go for Jem (my favorite character), but I have a nagging feeling that she'll end up with Will.
At first I was worried that Will would turn out to be a dark-haired Jace but by the end of the book I saw them as very different characters. Jace is basically very honest which Will is definitely not. And Will is a lot darker and beneath that awful humor of his he always seems sad.
I don't see anything of Alec in Jem by the way. Except for the parabatai thing of course. But otherwise I don't see that they have a lot in common. The same goes for Clary and Tessa. Tessa is a deliberate decision maker while Clary is almost always impulsive. But I guess that is something everybody sees differently.
J. Kaufman: I like Will :) Like a lot! And I don't think that Tessa is going to end up with him (though I wish they would), I think she'll choose no one. I have a bad feeling both of the boys will die.
Nina: I see what you're saying about the differences between Will and Jace--hopefully those differences will become more apparent in the next book. It's just that I want to like Will for Will, not because he's Jace with an English accent, and I'm having a tough time doing that. At the moment, it's difficult for me to see past the characteristics that they both share.
Also, I completely agree with what you had to say about Jem and Tessa being different from Alec and Clary. Just thought I'd throw that out there. Oh, and I'm going to be really sad if Jem or Will die :'(
One last thing: I know it's a little early on, but what are your theories for the rest of the series? For example, the significance of the clockwork angel, and why Tessa is a warlock with no mark and such.
@J. Kaufman I know what you mean about Will. I really hope the differences between him and Jace will become more apparent as well and according to CC they will. I think I liked him LESS because he reminded me of Jace at first. There is only once Jace ;) But now I really like him for himself and I guess it will only get better.
I don't want either of the boys to die as well. But I don't think it will go down so smoothly this time. Somebody might die or the love triangle isn't going to be solved in a way we like.
For the theories: I have no idea :D Of course I've been thinking about it, especially about Tessa, but I've come to no logical conclusion. I think the actual mystery lies in Tessa's mom, not in Tessa herself. Especially since the Clockwork Angel was hers. And I'm pretty sure Tessa has to Change into her mom sooner or later. I mean I'm sure she can tell her a lot about what's going on and Tessa has the Angel as "medium". Maybe there's even Shadowhunter blood involved as well? I mean the Angel seems to have a will of its own and when you need demon energy to make the other creatures work, maybe this one is running on, idk, Shadowhunter or angel energy or something^^ A friend brought up the thought that Tessa isn't immortal but that her appearance in the end of CoG has something to do with time travelling. I don't think so but it has been itching on the back of my mind since she mentioned it.
(PS: Sorry btw for any grammatical mistakes or typos or something ;)
I never thought about Tessa Changing into her mom! It crossed my mind that she might Change into Will at some point just to figure out what was going on in his head, but her mom...yeah, you're right. But then she'd have to go through how her mother died. Poor Tessa :/ Also, I was thing that maybe the Angel is made out of electrum or some such because of the way it sliced through those automatons like butter, which I gues would make it a Shadowhunter weapon. Which would perhaps make Tessa's mother a Shadowhunter, but then wouldn't Nate be a Shadowhunter as well? But he's obviously not Nephilim...and now I've confused myself o_O
Tessa appears in the end of CoG!? Oh my God, where!?!
Oh yeah, that might be right with the electrum. I was wondering if her mom was Nephilim as well but Nate can't be Nephilim - ugh! So maybe it has something to do with the father? It would be horrible for her to Change into her mom but I thought about that pretty much from the beginning. It would provide important information after all. I thought about Changing into Will as well but he would probably know about that (just like Camille did) and he would feel really betrayed I guess.
Yeah, Tessa has a cameo apprearance in CoG. Remember when they're at that party in the end? Magnus is talking to a girl and she looked faintly familiar to Clary but she couldn't put her finger on it. CC later revealed that this was Tessa.
Okay ... So I really liked this book... and now I'm trying to tie everything together. Will is Jace's Great Great Great Something... and I wonder if Tessa and Will really do end up together and maybe their relationship could explain the strange scar on all of the Hernondales?!?!?! And I also think Henry perfects his Sensor because Jace is using it in the first book. Those have been my biggest thoughts so far! I can't wait for more... It sucks that we have to wait a year for the next one. Oh and I don't remember in CoG when Clary sees someone she recognizes so I'll have to re read that part!!!! Can't wait!!!
Well by the end of Clockwork, I know one thing for sure, Will is in love with Tessa. She's the reason he goes to Magnus for help or his catalyst for seeking a better way than pushing everyone away. I also think that Tessa and Will end up together, after their required angsty separation period of course, and a straining parabatai love triangle.
I know what Courtney meant when she pointed out the parallels between Jace, Alec, Clary, Izzy, Jessie, Tessa, Will, and Jem. Not so much as all the personalities match up but that the formula's the same three teen demon slayers one what is she wildcard. Tessa I think is a stronger heroine than Clary, she's more independent, sturdier. Clary was fragile, coddled and protected all her life until the blindfold fell away. Tessa's life was an opposite of that with her poverty and having to protect and deal with Nate and his vices. I do think they reacted the same to their environment differently, but in much the same way. Clary was magically bound and steered toward the mundane, in an unrestricted society where she could be anything, she was remarkably just like her mom. Like she was trying to claim that part of herself her mom had been trying to repress. Tess on the other hand was completely bound by society and her place in it that she flourished with her mind. Her wit and inability to hold back any passionate comments with reguard to wether it was lady like is what I liked most about her. I feel like Jem is more of a combination of Alec and Simon in that he's Wills best friend, and the possible unrequited witty love interest. Plus Jem and Simon have the afflictions, demon illness and vampirism that works against them. Izzy aand Jessie are the most unlike each other so far. I find Jessie's character one of the most interesting. Kinda wish Clare would have written a book just about her, the reluctant shadowhunter. I do hope her line is further explored in future books I would love to follow her in her journey to excepting herself. As for WIll and Jace I do think they are a lot a like but they are related so I was expecting that. To me their motivations are different. Jace is a bit of an adrenaline junkie. He was brought up to be a soldier, and conditioned not to love or be attached. Jace is wild and reckless, but I think it was more so he could feel something, he reminds me of that lyric " you bleed just to know your alive". Will on the other hand only appears to be wild and reckless. Like Jem said he says and does what casts him in the worst light. He wants everyone to think lowly of him, even though he is far from it, to push everyone way. Where Jace doesn't want anyone to get close to him so he doesn't get hurt, Will doesn't want anyone too close so he can't hurt them.
My favorite parts in the book were when everyone was sitting around eating their meals. I loved the conversations and bickering. It was hilarious, and they really felt like a family. It was in those moments that I connected to the book. I went back and started reading CoB again because the Pandemonium Club brought back memories of when Clary first met Jace, and I had to know, I am not sure if it's the same cat but they are both named Church.
As far as theories, I don't believe or am not convinced Tess is a warlock. I think Will killed or harmed his sister (maybe friend) then ran away to the institute. I think the infernal devices are a success but not until Jace and Clary's time and they will show up in the next trilogy of Mortal Instruments.
There are other intriguing bits or things I would like to read about or am excited to read about : 1. If Jem does make it, how would his "condition" and demon treatment affect his offspring? 2. I want to meet Wills parents. Know if they are alive. And I am not convinced Will's mother is human. It was never really confirmed that she was just human, and could contribute to whatever his problem is. 3. I would like to hear more about the young Mr. Lightwood, he was a bit of a jackass and well I would like to see him humbled. 4. Jessie I think her resentment is really from the loss of her parents. She says she wants a mundane life with a mundie man but the minute Nate turned coward she was disgusted. She wants and needs someone who is her equal but she doesn't know it yet. Jess seems Scared, traumatized, and in denial, and well I would like to know why. 5. I can't wait to see how MI and ID will come together with all the tie ins CC has been hinting about.
While I am eager to read the next book in the series, I find the release of MI4 in April helps sooth my anticipation. I prefer when books are released bi-yearly, and like that in about every six months for the next 2 years I will have a new MI or ID book to read.
@Kelli I'm still wondering about that scar. Clary and Jace both have it and CC explained that it meant they both had contact with an angel (or with angel blood in their case). But since Imogen Herondale recognized Jace's heritage by that scar, a lot more Herondales have to have it.
@Kale I don't think Will's parents are dead either. And I'm pretty sure Cecily is his sister as well. Maybe he opened a Pyxis (he refers to 'a box' and screams afterwards) and that's how he lost her. Oh and I do think Gabriel Lightwood (as well as his brothers) will have bigger roles in the next book. Though he seemed to be pretty mean I think I liked him.
I'm not convinced anymore that Will and Tessa will end up together, as much as I'd like that to happen.
I must have missed something at the end of the book when Tessa changes to trick Mortmain. I thought she had to have an item belonging to the person before she could change into them....what did she have of this woman's? Did the knife have something to do with this that I missed somewhere? I thought the woman died by being shot, though? Can someone clear this up for me? Thanks
She needs an item to Change into another person, but only when she does it for the first time. Once she had changed into that person she can do it again and again. And I don't know if she actually stabbed herself but the blood kept spreading from that shot wound so it was at least a distraction. And she changed back in a fraction of a second so she was herself again as soon as Mortmain turned her around.
Oh, you think she's his sister? How so? I mean she had to be a Shadowhunter then as well since their blood is dominant...but what clues do you mean? I think she just doesn't like him because she doesn't trust these arrogant pretty boys (and has every reason not to) and maybe is a little afraid, that he has some bad influence on Jem. I think that Cecily was his sister.
I think Sophie might be Will's sister because in chapter 17 (page 392 in my book) when Sophie enters the room "something about the way she looked, for a moment, reminded Tessa of the way Will had looked at her in the courtyard." Then when Will finds Thomas dying in chapter 19 (page 433) Thomas' last words are: "Take care of Sophie, Will. Sophie is....." Do you think I'm reading too much into it?
Janis I believe Will and Sophie are related about as much as I believed Jace and Clary were siblings.
I think the passage your referring too is not about physical likeness, but instead emotional. You have to understand that Sophie is in love with Jem, and Tessa just received a show of affection, the very tame by present standards but more like halfway to 1st base in victorian time. I think Will was looking at the exchange between Jem and Tess with a mix of longing, jealousy, indecision, since he himself for whatever reason won't allow himself close to her, and he wants to. Plus he could be jealous of Jem for doing what he cannot, and being a bit torn because he loves Jem too (as a friend/brother, not in an Alec/Magnus way).
I think Sophie would feel the same way as Will. She already admitted to thinking Jem was worthy of her affection, but does not feel her station or she herself is not. So I can see her wishing it was her hand he kissed, or her desire to be Tess at that moment. I can also see her jealous of Tess for having caught Jem's attentions.
As for Thomas I think he was a real loss, and a tragedy. It seems that Jem inadvertently took everything away from him. Will and Thomas were friends, until Jem arrive, then Will ditched Thomas. And Jem had the eye of Sophie the girl he loved from afar. He had a lonely life, that ended just as sadly. I think Tess was the only one to notice or see him until he was gone. He was a far better man than any who were allowed to live. To be honest by the end of the book I really didn't like Sophie, for all her talk of knowing a man would truly love her for her and not her beauty, she was totally blind to a really wonderful man who had seen through her from the start. I don't feel she deserves anything because of the way she treated Thomas. Thomas was way too good for Sophie. She was too caught up in her assumptions and prejudices in the people around her to see who they really were and not just different versions of people from her past. Or to not follow her own believes in appearances, by not seeing the beauty in Thomas as he had done for her. The reason Thomas asked will to watch out for her is cause he was in love with her and I think his last words would have been Sophie is.... my love, or any equally positive phrase about what she was to him.
Well there is suppose to be a lot of cross over between the Mortal Instruments and the Infernal Devices series, so you might find some things out in April. But it will probably be replaced with even more unanswered long awaiting questions. I think the duel series released about every six months dulls the excruciatingly wait. Or a least that's what I tell myself.
If I had to guess I think that the victorian crew doesn't succeed in vanquishing the infernal devices (I think the series title refers to the automations) and Jace, Clary, and the rest of the modern cast of players will have to deal with Mortmain's robotics version 2011. It would be interesting considering technology today to see how far his clogs have come. Also there is the aversion to modern tech the shadowhunters have, that could be problematic. They seemed much more industrious in the 19th century than the 21st. We'll see. Preferably sooner rather than later.
But I will make you a promise Janis if I come across an ARC ( which is very unlikely ) I will send it to you after I read it. I was very disappointed in another one of the discussions to read about the unfortunate luck of a person who received such a coveted book back in like June, and apparently they never like MI and found CLockwork much the same. Tragedy. It would have been much better loved with us.
I don't think Jace and Will are similar. They are both a bit abrasive and don't allow for love, but that is as far as it goes for me. Will isn't brutally honest, he's full of mysteries and lies. He also knows who he is and what he has done. He doesn't care to hurt people - and does so all through the book. He has a better strategic mind and a better planner. Jace lived by the seat of his pants, didn't really plan or plot. He only pushed Clary away when he thought they were siblings, but he stayed close to her and nicer.
Jem and Alec are completely different. Jem is physically afflicted by something that doesn't make him as good as other shadow hunters his age at killing things. With that affliction, he is still a capable killer, just doesn't have the stamina. Alec didn't kill a demon and hid behind his sister instead of being himself. He wasn't a likable character until the middle of the second book. Jem is, for now, 'the other' love interest for Tessa, Alec was just a jack ass until Magnus got hold of him. I can't wait to read more about Alec in MI, I think Magnus' past comes into play, since he is the only one 'so far' to physically live in both worlds. I just don't see the similarities.
Isabelle and Jessamine are completely different. They're both gorgeous and both are capable of killing demons if they wanted to. The difference is, Isabelle liked being a Shadow Hunter, the only thing she didn't like is being tall. Jessamine doesn't like being tall and she doesn't like being a shadow hunter. They are both a bit self-involved, but Isabelle stills shows love for her brother, Jace, Clary, and eventually Simon. I really liked Isabelle's character and strength through the whole series. I am intrigued by the mystery of Jessamine and her reluctance to being a Shadow Hunter. Oh and Isabelle has dark black hair and Jessamine is a blonde. ;)
Tessa and Clary: Clary doesn't follow rules, she isn't someone that likes change, but she liked and was even a bit envious of the world she fell into. Neither of them liked that things changed so dramatically and didn't like being alone and away from the people they loved. I chalk that down to just being a human reaction to change that everyone will demonstrate when a world they liked fell into chaos. Tessa had determination and strength. Clary a lot of the times fumbled through her feelings and intentions and was somewhat annoying at times. I liked both characters over all, but Tessa's strength, determination, and maturity makes her completely different.
The surrounding/supporting characters in both series is interesting, but in ID, Charlotte, Henry, Nate, Thomas, and the others were a lot more likable. I hated when Thomas died. I liked that Henry was hilarious, and Charlotte was a strong leader/teacher unlike Hodge/Maryse - although she made mistakes.
Valentine is a more convincing "evil" for now, but I bet Mortmain will become more of a villain in the other books.
I saw the similarities between Will and Jace. But I think Will may be Jace's great-great grandpa or something like that. I didn't like how there were the same amount of teen characters in the Institute. Three, 2 boys and one girl. I would have liked more. Tessa was more likable than Clary. I liked this book better than the Mortal Instruments to be honest.
I just hope there is no more of an incest storyline thing because we don't know who Tessa's real father is. And Will is hiding a secret. It seems like he may have some demon blood in him also. What if it's the same thing again? Let's hope not. I'm looking forward to the 2nd book.