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Initial post: Jun 16, 2007 1:00:40 AM PDT
Allan 1967 says:
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In reply to an earlier post on Dec 13, 2007 9:46:50 PM PST
Jonathan Fu says:
read isaiah 53.

In reply to an earlier post on Oct 16, 2008 1:40:43 PM PDT
D. DeMAR says:
whatever your faith tradition (or lack of faith tradition) might be, try to be kinder, try to be less critical, try to be more humble--your life will probably be more fruitful that way.
Act with love in all things,
David

In reply to an earlier post on Jan 6, 2009 8:33:19 PM PST
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Posted on Mar 1, 2009 1:30:55 PM PST
Kayla Walsh says:
Oh please. I get your point Hawk moon but please, leave us alone. Do a little more scientific reading, not this delusional crap and maybe, just maybe, you can be a critical thinker too.

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 7, 2009 7:43:51 AM PDT
These are really insensitive posts AWC and Minerva Fionnlagh...Regardless of how someone responds Minerva, do you really think they should be "nailed to a tree deep in a dry climate in a forest in the summertime and left there."? AWC, the original post, whatever the intention, was rude, antagonistic and anti-Semitic. Why not also pick on Muslims, Hindus, Atheists? is this the appropriate forum for such a post? I think not. I am a vegan. Should i create posts deriding people for eating meat. Absolutely not!

Posted on Nov 16, 2009 5:14:58 AM PST
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Jews don't believe in Hell. Most Jews also believe that God, in His infinite wisdom, deliberately made the world imperfect because a perfect world would be static, unchanging, and pointless. Its very perfection would be its imperfection. Thus Jewish philosophy neatly solves the problem of evil - the world is the way it is, not because Man is a sinner, but because God made it that way on purpose.

More importantly, Jews believe that God put Man here to help Him complete Creation - to "repair the world." God deliberately made the world imperfect and he gave Man a purpose, to be his partner in helping finish the job. Thus, Jews know what their purpose is - to get up every morning and try to make the world a better place. But Jews also believe that until the world is improved to a certain level, the Messiah cannot come. That is why they know Jesus could not be the Messiah - the world is obviously still too much of a mess.

There is an important nuanced point here that most Christians do not grasp regarding the Jewish Messiah concept, largely because they have been using the Christian definition of the Messiah their whole lives, which they arrive at based on the Jesus story. The Christian view of the Messiah is the Son of God who appears to lead a group of rudderless, leaderless, shiftless people in the right direction toward salvation. The Jewish view of the Messiah is that he is the mortal man who will emerge to lead Mankind AFTER we, collectively, have gotten it all right and fixed the world. Do you see the difference? In the Jewish view, responsibility falls on each and every one of us to grow up, act like adults, and fix the world, and only then can we ever see a Messiah. The Christian view is that one simply has to follow Jesus, no matter how child-like and irresponsible we are, and everything will be okay. That is a BIG difference, actually.

This cosmology is why Jews are indifferent to Jesus. They don't believe in Hell. They don't believe they need to be "saved" from anything. They don't know or care if there is an afterlife, but if there is, they know that whatever happens, God will take care of them. Thus, they don't worry about an afterlife other than out of idle curiosity. They are 100% certain that when they die, everything will be okay - it is going to be either like falling asleep forever (if there is no afterlife), or else it will be a happy place because God is good and kind and will take care of all His children (if there is an afterlife).

What is interesting is that the vast majority of Jews manage to live moral, successful, worthwhile lives without the supernatural threat of Hell hanging over their heads.

AWC - I think this explains why you don't get too many takers when you ask Jews to renounce their world view for Christianity. They find Christian cosmology overly complex, and they think the Christian God is not truly a loving God, because he allows Hell to exist.

Posted on Dec 28, 2009 2:16:41 PM PST
If I'm not mistaken, some sects of Orthodox Jews do believe in hell.

In reply to an earlier post on May 26, 2010 5:16:06 PM PDT
compsciguy says:
Lasher, why are you so angry? This post was meant for JEWISH people, NOT atheists!!!

In reply to an earlier post on May 26, 2010 5:17:48 PM PDT
compsciguy says:
religion isn't science. Just saying. Some science is bad. SCIENTology, anyone?

In reply to an earlier post on May 26, 2010 5:21:25 PM PDT
compsciguy says:
Jews have to believe in Hell. They beleive in God, and God is in the Bible, AND the Tora, and both talk about afterlife. Just saying.

Posted on May 27, 2010 4:34:34 PM PDT
Kayla Walsh says:
science isn't bad. People who try to pass baseless and delusional ideas as science are bad.
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