Too Christian, Too Pagan: How to Love the World Without Falling For It (Hardcover)

by Dick Staub (Author) "IN AN AGE OF UNPARALLELED MATERIAL prosperity, our world is unraveling..." (more)
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From Publishers Weekly
Should Christians be engaged in, or disengaged from, their world? This is the prevailing question that Staub, president of the Center for Faith and Culture, asks Christians who are commanded by Jesus Christ to participate fully in the world without falling for its subtle, yet destructive charms. Staub insists that modern-day Christians frequently resist partaking in the culture around them because they are "too Christian" or fear being labeled "too pagan" by other followers of Christ. This attitude, Staub claims, rejects Christ's edict to go into the world and share the Christian message. Masterfully told, Staub's 25 readings weave biblical principles of loving others as oneself from within the confines of workplace, school, neighborhood and family. Staub challenges Christians to fearlessly enter their world of influence and meet those of different beliefs at a place of common understanding. Specifically, Staub encourages readers to go to the movies, read current literature, listen to the latest music craze, attend a co-worker's party, check out a neighbor's interests and then discerningly look for the theological truth within each form of communication so as to converse intelligently and with caring grace. With deepening intensity, Staub's storytelling skill builds chapter by chapter until the dubious labels of either "too Christian" or "too pagan" are cast off in favor of a reckless love for a hurting world. (Nov.)
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Product Description
A thought-provoking blend of personal experience and compelling stories gently encourage Christians to follow Jesus into the world without getting conformed to it in the process.

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Product Details

• Hardcover: 208 pages
• Publisher: Zondervan (November 1, 2000)
• Language: English
• ISBN-10: 0310233151
• ISBN-13: 978-0310233152
• Product Dimensions: 8.8 x 5.8 x 0.8 inches
• Shipping Weight: 12.3 ounces
• Average Customer Review: 4.1 out of 5 stars See all reviews (16 customer reviews)
• Amazon.com Sales Rank: #632,319 in Books (See Bestsellers in Books)

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12 of 12 people found the following review helpful:

5.0 out of 5 stars challenging book, February 28, 2002

By	"brian65" (Elk Grove Village, IL United States) - See all my reviews

Dick Staub's insights go against the grain of what Christians are usually taught about evangelism. Often it appears that we are encouraged to shout out the Gospel message from our safe Christian subculture across the great divide to the rest of the world. We talk to people in our language, from a perspective that has little to do with the way most people think and act and then we wonder why their hearts are "hardened" to our message. Staub poses an interesting theory. Maybe it's we who need to change. Maybe we need to start seeing God in places we didn't think he would appear, such as popular movies and music. Instead of separating ourselves from the rest of the world, maybe it's time to find commonalitites and go from there. He uses numerous antecdotes and stories, many from his own life, which help prove his point. I highly recommend this book. You may not like everything you hear and you may feel that a lot of Staub's suggestions are downright dangerous, but perhaps it's time for a little danger! Staub encourages the Church to come out of hiding and participate in our world and present culture without compromising who we are as believers. This is a delicate balance but the author navigates through this tough task deftly and wisely. Check it out!

29 of 36 people found the following review helpful:

3.0 out of 5 stars Some difficult issues here..., May 9, 2001

By	Soozie4Him (Chicago suburbs) - See all my reviews (TOP 1000 REVIEWER)

Subtitled "How to love the world without falling for it", Dick Staub's book really makes you think. The author says that if we are truly following Jesus, we will seem too Christian to pagans, and too pagan for our fellow Christians.

The author is correct in saying that if we stay in our safe and secure Christian bubble, we won't have much influence on the world. We must be aware of what secular culture is like out there. And while Dick says that we must be discerning, I think there are some problems with becoming as involved in the world's culture as Dick suggests.

He encourages Christians to meet people where they are - go to those parties which you would rather not attend, read the secular bestselling books so you can talk to people about them, see the movies everyone is seeing, listen to the popular secular music so you can identify with what people are listening to.

While I see the advantages of being aware of popular culture, I do think there are problems with Christians immersing themselves in secular culture. I think there's a fine line that we need to walk as Christians impacting the world, but not getting dragged down by it.

Dick Staub is the Founder and Chairman of "The Center for Faith and Culture". So researching secular culture is his main job. Most of us would not have the time or energy to take part in all this, let alone WANT TO. There are many Christians who have come out of a background where music with explicit lyrics and movies depicting sex and violence were part of their lives. I don't believe it would be a good idea of these people to start taking part in these things again.

Most of us have very limited time what with careers, families, etc. Our own walk with God (reading the Scriptures, praying, reading other Christian books, meeting with other Christians) mustn't be neglected. I do think there are ways of being aware of popular culture without taking it all in ourselves. There are many websites that review movies from a Christian perspective and you can find out what a movie is about that way. I'm not saying this is the same as seeing a movie, but I don't think that's a feasible thing for most people to do, for various reasons.

I do think we can share our faith and bring into our stories samples of how a secular worldview doesn't work without immersing ourselves in such things. We can know what Marilyn Manson and Eminem are singing about without purchasing their music! If we spend out time reading all the bestselling books, will there be time left for books that draw us closer to God?

I'm sorry to be a downer when the other reviews are so positive -but I think this is a side that needs considering. Perhaps you've heard the story about how FBI agents learn to discern counterfeit money - they study the REAL THING, not the counterfeit! I think we should concentrate on the REAL THING - JESUS, and remember:

The Holy Bible, New International Version Philippians 4:8 (NIV) 8Finally, brothers, whatever is true, whatever is noble, whatever is right, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is admirable-if anything is excellent or praiseworthy-think about such things.

7 of 7 people found the following review helpful:

5.0 out of 5 stars Best of the Year!, November 30, 2000

By	David K. Clark (West Richland, WA USA) - See all my reviews (REAL NAME)

Let me get to the bottom-line first: This volume gets my vote for Christian book of the year! In twenty-five brief chapters, talk radio host Dick Staub adresses the issue of cultural engangement, which has plagued believers of every era. In other words, how does one effectively live as "salt" and "light" in the world without either becoming compromised or resorting to isolationism?

Virtually no stone is left unturned. Staub discusses how to practice cultural discernment when watching films, listening to the Top 40, or reading the latest hit from Oprah's Book Club. He offers wise counsel on what it means to really love your neighbor. This book offers a wealth of insight and practical application.

As a pastor for more than thirty years (who "moonlights" as a jazz musician), Staub's book resonates deep within my soul. I am recommending it to all my friends, and will soon use it as the basis for a class in my church.