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~ Charles Murray (Author) "OUR TOPIC is the poor and the discriminated-against as they have been affected by "social policy..." (more)
Key Phrases: latent poverty, unintended reward, hardcore unemployed, United States, Food Stamps, Great Society (more...)
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Murray, coauthor of The Bell Curve, argued that the social programs of the '60s and the '70s worsened the plight of the poor and minorities. This 10th anniversary issue includes a new introduction by the author.
Copyright 1994 Reed Business Information, Inc.


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With a new introduction by the author, this tenth anniversary edition of the classic book argues that the ambitious social programs of the Great Society designed to help the poor and disadvantaged often made things worse.

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  • Paperback: 352 pages
  • Publisher: Basic Books; Anniversary edition (January 1, 1994)
  • Language: English
  • ISBN-10: 0465042333
  • ISBN-13: 978-0465042333
  • Product Dimensions: 8.8 x 6 x 0.8 inches
  • Shipping Weight: 1.1 pounds (View shipping rates and policies)
  • Average Customer Review: 3.5 out of 5 stars  See all reviews (24 customer reviews)
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5.0 out of 5 stars Could we have been that wrong?, January 22, 2000
By Joe Curran (Northampton, Massachusetts) - See all my reviews
Mr. Murray's analysis of government social programs in the past half century was an eye-opener for a born-and-raised liberal Democrat like myself. It is difficult to disagree with his overall conclusion that these programs have generally been failures, and in many cases did more harm than good. This is not easy to swallow if you were raised with the firmly entrenched (and deeply righteous) belief that people who "really care" always support well-intentioned government programs that aim to solve social problems. It has always been an assumption in my thinking that those who opposed virtually any new government agency or social program lacked compassion, or worse. But, as Mr. Murray points out, these programs, including welfare, housing projects, medicaid, and other twentieth century experiments, must be judged as objectively as possible based on results. And the results are not impressive.
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5.0 out of 5 stars Much needed debate, March 29, 1998
By KSwed@aol.com (Wilmington, DE) - See all my reviews
While the President and the Congress debate the levels of funding for the welfare state in the coming century, Charles Murray makes a very convincing arguement for why it should be done away with altogether. Replete with statistical analysis (including the raw data from federal government sources), Murray argues that should an outside observer review the statistics on the economic progress of blacks and the poor from about 1963 onward, without any social context, they would have to conclude that a systematic effort was afoot to ensnare a large group of people in perpetual poverty. Murray explains the dynamics behind the failure of welfare policy and argues a more generic case as to why nearly all government efforts to induce behavioral change in the population are doomed to failure. Murray's account is well supported, crystal clear, and highly thought-provoking. Recommended for all who wish to be involved in welfare policy or its debate for the coming century.
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5.0 out of 5 stars Convincing, July 24, 2000
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It is not often that you read a perfectly convincing argument, but this book did it for me. The charts alone tell the whole story: increased spending on welfare while poverty is decreasing, coupled with higher crime, illegitimacy, unemployment, low birth weight all beginning within the years 1964-68. I've never cried at a movie, but if any book deserved a few tears, this would be it. Apart from the increase in birth rates, which Murray tries but fails to explain as a function of rational choices (can it ever?), every other statistic is shown by Murray to be the indirect result of well-intentioned and perfectly disastrous policies. Beginning with the indifference to poverty in 1954, to the modest programs under Kennedy, to the whole-hearted expansion under Johnson, to the institution of a permanent minimum income under Nixon, the war on poverty was lost within three years without anyone bothering to call off the troops. Murray makes the point that any slight "variance" in the statistics, even if only a tenth of a percent, is considered significant, but illegitimacy among poor blacks, for instance, drops from 80% to 40% in a matter of a few years. How human behavior, perfectly stable for decades, can change in a matter of a few years is, in fact, shocking, and Murray engages in a little detective work that is entirely convincing. The reason is in fact no mystery: if you pay people to stay unmarried, live apart, and not work, they will do precisely that. If, on top of that, you stop jailing criminals and seal their juvenile records, crime will also go up. That the Watts riots occured just two weeks after the 1964 civil rights legislation, and the new welfare poliicies were instituted the same year, is no accident either. Murray is perhaps so hard for liberals to swallow because he fingers precisely their liberal guilt and its attendant policies for the subsequent underclass epidemic. When the lawyers and social workers start justifying handouts and remove the stigma from welfare, the poor are made to feel that only chumps work for a living, and that feeling can only be exacerbated by what they see of white wealth on tv. (No one is more attuned in America to the magical power of brand names than the poor). Which brings up my only criticism of Murray: just because rational choices can explain the entirety of a behavior does not mean they are the sole cause. As Magnet argues in "The Dream and the Nightmare," part of the reason for the wholesale breakdown of the poor black family has to be pinned on the "counterculture" and its disparagement of work, thrift, etc., but as for what he does try to show, Murray gets everything but a confession.
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1.0 out of 5 stars Reasonable tone, oh so convincing. Half a star.
For the gullible layperson, this is an impressive book. Lots of numbers. Many charts. Wow. No vitriol, no racism--in fact, a very reasonable tone. Read more
Published 3 months ago by Moten Swing

5.0 out of 5 stars Welfare State Failures
Reading Marvin Olasky's The Tragedy of American Compassion prodded me to read a book I've seen cited for ten years, Losing Ground: American Social Policy 1950-1980, by Charles... Read more
Published 7 months ago by Gerard Reed

4.0 out of 5 stars I got this book on the advice of a conservative discussion group member
I got this book on the recommendation of someone in the Eons, Conservative Action Group. I have not finished it yet.
Published 7 months ago by C. Acton

5.0 out of 5 stars NEARLY 60 PAGES OF DATA
Many of the haters call this book "poorly researched" and "pseudo-scholarship" and a "hateful rant". Read more
Published 10 months ago by Señor Wences

5.0 out of 5 stars This book is not about race...
Losing ground uses the coincidence of the post segregation poverty of African Americans to demonstrate the devastating effects social welfare programs have on the futures of poor... Read more
Published on August 27, 2007 by Kennen Haas

5.0 out of 5 stars Fabulous analysis combined with lousy policy ideas
This is two books in one. First, it is perhaps the best book ever written on why the War on Poverty in America failed. Second, it is a tedious libertarian screed on policy. Read more
Published on February 14, 2007 by Richard Gibson

1.0 out of 5 stars Interesting read
Murray's claims have been discredited since the 1984 publication of this book. However, it is interesting to look into how Murray perceived the welfare issue 20 years ago.
Published on February 6, 2007 by R. Anderson

2.0 out of 5 stars An example of political and racist "science"
Murray's book is good for those racist republican white men, who don't understand the underlying socio-cultural-historical patterns, that makes the socioeconomic status of the... Read more
Published on January 15, 2007

1.0 out of 5 stars Psuedo social science junk
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