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27 of 31 people found the following review helpful:
1.0 out of 5 stars
What's the message?, May 5, 2004
A few random comments....
*The back cover says it "addresses head-on" the issues from Ralph's famous letter. I'm familiar with that letter. Either I skimmed over a couple pages too fast - and those pages had some "answer" buried in them, or, they did not really, fully, address many of the issues Ralph wrote about.
*I kept getting confused - some times the book acted like it loved a synergy and partnership between the normalized and the dimensional approaches. Other it seemed to slam the dimensional approach as not working in many areas. In particular, I was shocked at the paragraph in the center of page 386. I've had no problem, using what may appear to be unrelated star schema data, in doing significant analysis and data mining.
*The paragraph on page 394, under "Flexibility", says I can't do sophisticated or advanced analytics from my star schemas. I have. What am I (or, the authors) missing?
*Chapter 6 - Modeling the Calendar... I feel for anyone new to this arena trying to decipher the information. I have no problems with my date or time dimensions and I can explain them to my students in a lot less time than it took me to read that chapter!
*Chapter 7 - Modeling Hierarchies... Seemed a little long. I should not comment on it - when I finished reading it, I realized I had been sleeping through most of it.
*I found the chart on page 100 a little scary - do they really mix the facts in a fact table? The chart shows sales and sales objectives in the same fact table. Is this just a "logical" star? Or, is their basic understanding of the dimensional model in need of an upgrade?
*Not enough real world "how-to" examples.
*Again, either I skimmed a few pages, or, they refer to "we'll address this in a later chapter" a few times and never did.
*I don't know the authors - did not have any pre-conceived opinions about them. Now, I felt like, as a team, they did not always agree on what to write, so they compromised - picked middle ground and sent inconsistent messages. I finished the book with a very unclear picture of what message they were sending.
*Too much extraneous data in many of the examples - tough to weed out the needed from the excess...
*I won't argue with the overall concept of a staging area/data warehouse/data mart philosophy. I do take exception to the inference that I cannot be successful if I don't follow it. I've implemented using that model and variations of the approach, as well as taking real-time transactional data directly into a star.
Final thought. In my experience, anyone taking this book as an "absolute" will spend more time on I/T "stuff" than the users I know will want to put up with. Fifty-some years ago, Aritotle Onasis said the secret of business is in knowing something that no one else knows. That is no longer a reality. This is called the "information age" for a reason. The winners are those that realize they know no more than their competition, but do more, faster, with what they have. In my version of the "real world", executives want results, NOW. I did not feel the authors ever had to deal with "urgency".
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54 of 66 people found the following review helpful:
1.0 out of 5 stars
Misinformation And Missing The Mark, May 18, 2004
If you want to build a Corporate Information Factory (CIF) I suppose this book is better than many of the previous attempts at teaching how to accomplish that goal. However, like many of the previous Inmon/Imhoff books, there is too much theory (unfocused at that) and not nearly enough practical/tactical content. If you are on the CIF bandwagon however, you will find the book very helpful as compared to most of the previous books on the topic.But that begs the question. Many a CIF or enterprise-wide project has been launched... yet most are cancelled long before reaching the finish line. This is reality. In the REAL world we have REAL deadlines and REAL budgets imposed by REAL business executives who have REAL problems to solve and it involves... oh by the way... REAL MONEY! We have to deliver NOW! Well, ok, maybe not quite that fast, but you get the idea. The hard part is getting the data! Or is it? Using simple tools and a powerfully designed, highly detailed dimensional database, we have, for example, clients pulling their own data sets ready for import into statistical and mining packages. They think they have died and gone to heaven! Foist a third normal form (3NF) design on them and their eyes roll... "Now, which of the available join paths is the right one for this business question?" and "Why is it taking so long for the query?" and "Will you pull the data for me?" Now we hear... "Instead of spending 80% or 90% of my time getting the data prepared, I spend 5% or 10% of my time doing that... so I have that much more time to actually think about the business." We have seen clients' ability to understand and drive their business expand beyond their own wildest imagination in very short order. It shows on their bottom line and they are very happy with that! The whole point of BI - beyond all the data capture and cleaning and integrating and turning "data into knowledge", and making it easy for the user without dumbing it down, and all that stuff - the point of BI can be distilled down to one word: "Publish!" Booksellers don't hand you a photocopy of a handwritten manuscript. They do a lot of work with the "raw data" - typesetting and page numbers and table of contents and indexing and so on - and turn it into something accessible and useable... something we call a book. That's the point of BI. This book doesn't get it. Too many CIF or "enterprise" projects have imploded under their own weight to slavishly duplicate the same mistakes. Too many dimensional systems have succeeded with huge return on investment to relegate the ideas to a dark corner. If we stop the religious discussions (Mac vs. Windows, or the "Inmonites vs the Kimballites") and get to see how truly successful Business Intelligence (BI) systems work, we find the emphasis must be on using proper theory (not arguing it) and applying techniques that work NOW. More often than not, can you say "Dimensional!" Yes, CIF and all that has its place... but not nearly to the degree that this book would have you believe. The most successful clients have been the ones who bypassed all the "modeling wars" and used the data bus architecture of conformed dimensions. They didn't pick and chose a modeling idea or two; they actually studied Kimball and did it the right way. Dr. Codd, while addressing this question one day, asked me this question: "Would you run an OLTP system against a dimensional model?" My obvious answer was: "Of course not." "Why then," he asked, "do so many people try to do the opposite?" The biggest "problem" with the dimensional approach is that people who do not truly understand it try to pick and chose techniques from it and graft those into their current ways... and fail... and bash it. Or, they don't understand it at all. Uh, sorry, it isn't the technique that is the problem. The book purports to "answer" a message reply that Ralph Kimball posted on a discussion board some time ago. It does not. One can be certain that Ralph Kimball did not give permission to use his name on or in the book, as is done. Instead, the book does a very poor job of showing how to design and use dimensionally designed databases as a part of a larger architecture, illustrates a complete lack of understanding of the underlying principles, and then criticizes and limits the technique and its application. This does a terrible disservice to the reader... especially a reader who is trying to decide how to meet a real business need and is new to BI. I dislike speaking impolitely like this, but the truth is more important in this context. Also, on the back cover, they state that Ralph Kimball's "letter" was a challenge. It was not. It was merely a listing of many of the crucial issues in a useful BI environment addressed to an individual who had asked legitimate questions about BI. As for addressing these issues "head-on", the book does not do this at all. Does this matter? Of course it does. Real people buy this book and are led down a path that rarely leads to success. I realize that much of this review is not directly about specific details of the book. The details in the book are inconsistent, often unfocused, and sometimes downright misleading. The larger issue, and thus the focus of this review, is that the entire book is based on a premise that the CIF is "The Way" and that dependent dimensional data marts are grudgingly "ok". This is not the reality that many of us see in the business and education worlds.
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34 of 41 people found the following review helpful:
1.0 out of 5 stars
Not worth the money, March 2, 2005
I've been to seminars by Inmon, Kimball and Imhoff, as well as read many of their books. Kimball on the one hand, is generally clear and concise on the subject and obviously understands not only DW design and implementation concepts, but how they relate to various businesses and how the business really uses the data. He's also a fairly humble man in person.
Both Inmon and Imhoff on the other hand are rather self-aggrandizing (Inmon once waltzed into one of his keynote speeches dressed like a boxer to the theme from Rocky!), and both Inmon and Imhoff seem to have based their careers around bashing Kimball. In their desperation to present an alternative to Kimball's methodology and carve out their own niche, they've presented mostly incoherent, illogical and unusable ideas sometimes laced with anti-Kimball baggage. I get the feeling Inmon is kind of like James Martin was back in the 80's, churning out countless cookie-cutter style books of dubious quality.
I've designed a number of dimensional data warehouses and data marts that actually work years later using the Kimball approach, but honestly, every book I've read by Inmon and/or Imhoff has left me wondering who in the world actually uses their approach (if you can call it that) to build real-world data warehouses.
If you want to have a complete library and money is no object, by all means, read everyone's ideas on data warehousing and compare and contrast for yourself (I did - I must own fifty books on the subject - but I rely on only about 5-6 books in my day to day work as a DW architect - the rest are just taking up shelf space and reminding me how nice it is to be able to read reviews at places like Amazon before you buy). If money is an object and/or you are just starting out in the field and trying to learn the basics of DW design, do yourself a big favor and get the three excellent Kimball books (The Data Warehouse Toolkit, The Data Warehouse Lifecycle Toolkit and The Data Warehouse ETL Toolkit). The Adamson/Venerable book: Data Warehouse Design Solutions is a very useful adjunct for additional examples of real-world dimensional designs.
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