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by Timothy Paul Jones (Author)
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"Dr. Jones has written a first-rate book on an essential and timely subject. Both specialists and nonspecialists will benefit from his honest, polite and clearly explained treatment of issues concerning the reliability of the New Testament text and its authorship. In a day of confusion among non-Christians and Christians alike, this is a must-read." -- --Peter Jones, Scholar-in-Residence, Westminster Seminary California, and author of Stolen Identity: The Conspiracy to Reinvent Jesus

"Dr. Jones reminds us that Christians should never be afraid of open debate. With tradition, experience, reason and Scripture as our final measure we can put all ideas on the table with confidence that in the end we will embrace what is true and discard what is false." -- --Everett Piper, Ph.D., President, Oklahoma Wesleyan University

"In Misquoting Truth, Timothy Paul Jones gives Bart Ehrman's Misquoting Jesus and Lost Christianities the debunking they deserve. Jones exposes the bias and faulty logic that surface time and again in these highly publicized books. Misquoting Truth provides a much needed antidote and will serve students and Christian leaders very well. I recommend this book enthusiastically." -- --Craig A. Evans, Payzant Distinguished Professor, Acadia Divinity College, and author of Fabricating Jesus: How Modern Scholars Distort the Gospels (InterVarsity Press)

"Jones clearly refutes in a Christlike manner the claims of Misquoting Jesus. A must-read for those who love to give an answer for the faith!" -- --Lief Moi, Mars Hill Church Campus Pastor, Seattle, Washington

"Jones does not skirt the difficult issues, but deals with them head-on, providing careful and balanced answers. I highly recommend this book to those seeking to find answers to the question, 'Can the Word of God be trusted?'" -- --Paul D. Wegner, Ph.D., Phoenix Seminary

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"What good does it do to say that the words [of the Bible] are inspired by God if most people have absolutely no access to these words, but only to more or less clumsy renderings of these words into a language? . . . How does it help us to say that the Bible is the inerrant word of God if in fact we don't have the words that God inerrantly inspired? . . . We have only error-ridden copies, and the vast majority of these are centuries removed from the originals."

So contends Bart D. Ehrman in his bestselling Misquoting Jesus. If altogether true, we have little reason to put our confidence in Scripture. Add to this Ehrman's contention that what we read in the New Testament represents the winners' version of events, twisted to suit their own purposes and not at all a faithful recounting of what really happened, and the case for skepticism and unbelief gives every appearance of being on solid footing.

But are things really so bad off? Were the New Testament documents widely distorted by copyists? Can we in fact have no idea what was in the originals? Do we have no hope of knowing what eyewitnesses said and thought? Are other documents left out of the New Testament better sources for understanding early Christianity? While readily conceding that Ehrman has many of his facts straight, pastor and researcher Timothy Paul Jones argues that Ehrman is far too quick to jump to false and unnecessary conclusions.

In clear, straightforward prose, Jones explores and explains the ins and outs of copying the New Testament, why lost Christianities were lost, and why the Christian message still rings true today.

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  • Paperback: 175 pages
  • Publisher: IVP Books (June 8, 2007)
  • Language: English
  • ISBN-10: 0830834478
  • ISBN-13: 978-0830834471
  • Product Dimensions: 8 x 5.5 x 0.6 inches
  • Shipping Weight: 8 ounces (View shipping rates and policies)
  • Average Customer Review: 3.1 out of 5 stars See all reviews (42 customer reviews)
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3.0 out of 5 stars Show me the Scholarship, September 8, 2007
I suppose it had to be done. It seems that Professor Ehrman has reached those rarified literary heights previously attained by Celsus, Porphyry and Julian in that apologists feel the need to refute him. For this, kudos are due Professor Ehrman. However, no such congratulations are due Timothy Paul Jones, the senior pastor of the First Baptist Church of Rolling Hills, Tulsa, Oklahoma. While Professor Ehrman writes in a very scholarly fashion, exposing for the public what scholars have known for years about the myths that surround early Christianity's beginnings, Pastor Jones's book is merely an effort to minimalize the damage. As with any apologetic work, its aim is to assure the flock that there is really nothing to worry about.

Written in a very readable, conversational style, Jones still fails in his main effort, which is to prove Bart Ehrman wrong. In that sense, it is a typical apologetic. Yes, there are differences in the various New Testament manuscripts, we are told, but they don't really matter. The conflicting accounts in the four Gospels are not competing, Jones assures us, but somehow complimentary. The differences, he says, are trivial, without ever really explaining how this can be.

Efforts to prove that the Gospels were really written by Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John are unconvincing. Jones cites Colossians as saying that Luke is Paul's "beloved physician" but Colossians is one of those Pauline letters not really written by Paul. So the testimony of a forger is made to assure us of the veracity of Luke's account. And that is entirely leaving aside the problem that if Luke was Paul's traveling companion, why is it that Luke is so at odds with Paul's own account of his mission? Shouldn't Acts of the Apostles agree with the Pauline epistles, and not contradict them?

He excuses one of the most blatant bits of editing ever done to a manscript, and that is the longer ending of Mark, which originally ended at 16:8. Jones assures us that nothing has been changed by the addition, which even he admits is not original to Mark. Yet here we see proof of the charges made by Celsus in the late second century that Christians changed their texts to suit their changing needs, a charge earlier denied by Jones. And I think Jones misses the greater point here, and that is, if Christian copyists felt free to change even the words of books they felt to be sacred, how secure should people feel with the rest of the books that have passed through their hands. What other changes might have been made, what other passages invented? And if they would change even the Bible, why should we believe that the much vaunted "evidence" for Christianity provided by Pliny, Tacitus and Josephus is not also the product of wishful and inventive Christian editing?

For centuries the faithful were assured, "the Bible is the inerrant word of God" and that there were no mistakes and contradictions in the New Testament. It was perfect, people were told. Now scholars have proven that it is not perfect and the response seems to be, "Well, OK, it isn't perfect but none of those mistakes and contradictions really mean anything." And inerrancy, Jones assures us, "can include approximations, free quotations, language of appearances, and different accounts of the same event as long as those do not contradict." Of course, the New Testament is full of contradictions, but Jones refuses to see these as such.

Against the actual evidence provided by Ehrman, Jones falls back on what early Christians told the Pagan critic Celsus: "Do not ask questions; just believe." He provides no real compelling evidence that fellows named Matthew, Mark, Luke and John wrote the books that bear their names. Instead of arguments anchored in scholarship, he provides us with the following: "Historical evidence (which he fails to provide) also compels me to think that Matthew, Mark, Luke and John were the sources of the books that bear their names. So, whenever I open my New Testament to the Gospels, I read these documents with a clear conscience as the words of these four witnesses."

That's nice, Pastor Jones, but we need more than your assurances that these books were written by Matthew, Mark, Luke and John. Completely neglected here is the fact that none of these books bore these names when they were written. The names were assigned later. None of these books were cited by early Christian authors until a good century after they were supposedly written. Despite all the evidence we have that these books were NOT written by the men whose names they bear, Professor Jones wants us to take it on faith that they were. Why? Because he believes it.

In the end, Jones has done nothing in this book to refute Bart Ehrman except to say that none of what Bart Ehrman tells us is true because, in the end, he doesn't want it to be true. Against scholarship, Jones offers faith, and in the final analysis, each reader will have to decide what is more important to him, because they are often mutually incompatible.

I think that this remark of Jones really says it all: "I know nothing about warp drives except what I've learned from Star Wars." But warp drives aren't from Star Wars, Pastor Jones. They are from Star Trek.
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3.0 out of 5 stars Getting out of a paradigm, July 5, 2007
I appreicate this book's attempt to argue a case against the Ehrman's books. However, I think Jones is confined to a paradigm of thought that does not allow him to look at scholarship and depth of understanding on Bible literature. Ehrman's scholarship has great depth of learning and acquintance with the original documents. His is an understanding of the language and culture, and I find this lacking in the Jones book. Jones has a facile understanding of the issues involved in the works of Ehrman.
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52 of 67 people found the following review helpful:
3.0 out of 5 stars A lot of agreement followed by different conclusions., December 18, 2007
I have read all of "Misquoting Jesus" and Part 1 of "Misquoting Truth" (the portion of the book that pertains to "Misquoting Jesus"). My review is limited to the first half of the book.

The style of the book is very easy to understand, especially for someone like me with no background in textual criticism. Throughout the book there are "panels" with definitions on the various types of changes that can be made to manuscripts.

The thing that struck me about his arguments was how much Jones agreed with Ehrman on the current state of the Bible. Not only that, Jones brought up several additional points which Ehrman could have made. It wasn't perfect agreement, but I thought this book was a debunking. It isn't. Jones looks at the same facts that Ehrman does and draws a different conclusion. Despite all of these changes to the Bible over the years, the changes do not effect the overall message of the individual passages. You should be able to read the original and the edited passage and reach the same message.

To Jones, "inerrancy" doesn't mean a literal "without error". It means that we have enough of the puzzle pieces to recreate the original message, and that original message is without error (even if the pieces themselves have errors). This is a stark difference from Ehrman, who believes that if God inspired the Bible in the original form as a perfect text, he should have also prevented the thousands of errors from creeping into the text.

Since the differences are mostly in the conclusions, the debate is now academic: can a religious text with errors still be called reliable for the purpose of theological discussion (and ultimately salvation)?
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1.0 out of 5 stars Typical apologist
I couldn't read past page 31

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1.0 out of 5 stars Sloppy and poor work.
An awful attempt by a fundamentalist baptist to refute Ehrman's rather excellent guide to the editing, censorship and distortions of the bible. Read more
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3.0 out of 5 stars A missed opportunity
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Ehrman takes minor points in the Bible and tries to make them out to be false, when the whole point of the supposed error-laden verse was to teach something quite different. Read more
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1.0 out of 5 stars Sad state of Jones
The problem with Bart Ehrman is that he is an accomplished, knowledgeable, world renowned scholar - an expert in his field of study. I wish I had that problem. Read more
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1.0 out of 5 stars What an embarrassment
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1.0 out of 5 stars Pathetic
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1.0 out of 5 stars Tedious
Please do some original research and present some original thought. This was very disappointing, leading me to the conclusion that sales were the only objective.
Published 4 months ago by Bright Wing

1.0 out of 5 stars circular AND pretzel logic to fit your agenda
this author and many of the comments follow a loopy twisted self-serving pattern: 'it's not fair saying one flaw in christianity makes it unreliable! Read more
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3.0 out of 5 stars Now, MY OPINION of interpretation...
Let's just take Mark 1 41-43 as an example. Bart Ehrman says "Being compassionate" should read "Being angry" - obviously Jesus was often angered (i.e. Read more
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