Red Earth, White Lies: Native Americans and the Myth of Scientific Fact (Paperback)

by Jr., Vine Deloria (Author)

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From Publishers Weekly
Though Deloria (Custer Died for Your Sins) has a broad academic brief?he teaches history, law, religious studies and political science at the University of Colorado?here he ventures into a new area, attacking the way scientists have created "a largely fictional scenario describing prehistoric North America" and suggesting that Indian lore may offer better explanations. Given Deloria's not-so-temperate tone?"Christianity has been the curse of all cultures into which it has intruded"?it is hard to judge all his arguments. He finds flaws in scientific accounts of how Indians once traversed the Bering Strait land bridge; he also reports that geological evidence suggests an earlier Indian presence and notes that no tribal creation stories reflect such a migration. Similarly, he criticizes scientists who argue that Indians killed off North American megafauna of the Pleistocene era. Deloria's fiercely argued study sometimes overwhelms as a narrative, but his charges should provoke more evaluation, as well as examination of the consonance of science and Indian tradition.
Copyright 1995 Reed Business Information, Inc. --This text refers to an out of print or unavailable edition of this title.

From Library Journal
Deloria, one of the most outspoken Native American voices of the century, is back?this time to take on the scientists. Demonstrating that a theory is just that until it has been solidly proved, the author of Custer Died for Your Sins (Univ. of Oklahoma, 1988) takes the scientific community to task for insisting on uniformity of opinion within academia while neglecting Native oral traditions about such events as the peopling of the Western Hemisphere and the disappearance of the giant animals of the Pleistocene era. While many will challenge Deloria's arguments, the author's insistence that scientists investigate non-Western knowledge in their search for the truth echoes a cry heard through Native American communities. An important addition to all collections.?Mary B. Davis, Huntington Free Lib., N.Y.
Copyright 1995 Reed Business Information, Inc. --This text refers to an out of print or unavailable edition of this title.

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Product Details

• Paperback: 288 pages
• Publisher: Fulcrum Publishing (August 19, 1997)
• Language: English
• ISBN-10: 1555913881
• ISBN-13: 978-1555913885
• Product Dimensions: 9 x 6 x 0.9 inches
• Shipping Weight: 14.2 ounces (View shipping rates and policies)
• Average Customer Review: 3.7 out of 5 stars See all reviews (24 customer reviews)
• Amazon.com Sales Rank: #105,074 in Books (See Bestsellers in Books)

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32 of 37 people found the following review helpful:

4.0 out of 5 stars Provocative and illuminating, December 12, 1999

By A Customer

If "science" is defined as a technique for gaining an understanding of the world around us, many "scientific" disciplines are in fact profoundly unscientific. In "Red Earth, White Lies," Vine Deloria, Jr. clearly demonstrates how conjecture can attain the status of fact, even in the face of overwhelming contradictory evidence. Perhaps even more condemning is Deloria's depiction of how alternative ideas, most notably indigenous traditions, are frequently (typically) cast aside without any investigation whatsoever, simply because they conflict with currently accepted norms.

"Red Earth, White Lies" is a wonderfully provocative indictment of how historical sciences, such as anthropology, geology, and ecology (my own field) frequently fail in practice. Nevertheless, perhaps without realizing it, Deloria relies on the very hallmarks of modern science; alternative hypotheses, critical analysis, and crucial evidence, to make his case.

Here, unfortunately, is where "Red Earth, White Lies" loses much of its power. While Deloria succeeds in casting doubt on many beliefs cherished by entrenched academics, he typically does not subject his own hypotheses to the same treatment. Even more unfortunate, Deloria himself employs some of the techniques he most violently condemns in academics, including the selective use of information (the most obvious example is on page 58) and summary dismissal of entire world-views on the basis of a superficial understanding (his entire discussion of evolutionary biology, for example).

Even though "Red Earth, White Lies" occasionally stumbles, Deloria has done all of us a great service, by proving that scientists are only human and that many scientific "facts" are in reality little more than conjectures. If you identify yourself as a "scientist," you will be (and should be) challenged! If you are not a scientist, then perhaps you will see those who are in a whole new light. "Red Earth, White Lies" is a fascinating read, no matter who you are.

23 of 27 people found the following review helpful:

4.0 out of 5 stars Uneven but essential, November 25, 1998

By A Customer

Vine Deloria Jr.'s book is a very useful and merited challenge to a whole host of theories, especially the Bering Strait land bridge, magafauna extinction ("Overkill") and some other things in which U.S. racism, capitalist waste and ruthlessness towards the environment, and scientistic narrowness are shown to be the underlying roots of these theories. However, I can't help but feel that Deloria both throws the baby out with the bathwater based on a kind of "multicultural creationism". For example, his attacks on Stephen J. Gould are almost ridiculous at times (given his prominence, not as a mainstream Darwinian, but as a 'catastrophist' and anti-sociobiologist) and represent the fact that he never got past Gould's first collection of essays. Also, Gould and others have for years defended allopatric speciation, which would allow a species' 'gestation' in 5-10,000 years. This type of narrow, shotgun scholarship makes Deloria subject to exactly the type of criticism he so correctly levels at academia. Also, his knowledge of genetics and evolution seem to leave a lot to be desired, and he clearly does not expect the reader to be scientifically literate (otherwise, he would not be able to make some of the peculiar remarks he makes about speciation). Anyone familiar with modern biology cannot but be amazed at how his work is little more than a reworking of Christian Fundamentalist creationism (or vice versa). Having said that, Deloria's value as an anti-racist, as a defender of the worth and validity and richness of non-white, non-European sources of knowledge is more than worth the occaissional bad science and anti-intellectualism. All I can say is that this is essential reading for anyone learning about the material he covers, and for thinking about how racism and power can determine whose knowledge is 'myth and fantasy' as much as it determines who is the 'terrorist' and who is the 'freedom fighter'. A must read book.

42 of 58 people found the following review helpful:

5.0 out of 5 stars Evolution, Indian origins, and other tall tales, March 2, 2004

By	Mark M. Thomase (Maine) - See all my reviews (REAL NAME)

I'll start this off with a disclaimer. When I was in graduate school at the University of Colorado, Vine Deloria jr. was my favorite professor. He was funny, cynical, iconoclastic, and thought-provoking. This book is Vine Deloria in print.

Vine challenges your assumptions. Do you believe in evolution or the idea that the ancestors of the American Indians came from Asia on the Bering Strait land bridge? You do? For gosh sakes, why???
Vine, with exquisite detail, relentless logic, and taunting satire, reveals the utter absurdities of these theories until you wonder with embarrassment how anyone, scientist or layman, could ever have believed such tall tales.

Likewise Vine demolishes the myth of carbon-dating, tears apart the racist doctrine that early American Indian hunters hunted the wooly mammoth and other megafauna to extintion, and makes a strong case (even stronger in some of his other books) for the works of Immanuel Velikovsky, whose works were banned, boycotted, and ridiculed -- but never disproven -- by mainline "scientists."

I started with a disclaimer, I'll end with a caveat. Just because Vine rips to shreds the myth of evolution, don't assume that he is taking a fundamentalist Christian position. He most assuredly is not. Vine believes the truth of human origins is to be found in the stories of American Indians and of other native peoples around the world. The assault on the glass house of evolution is NOT a science-vs.-fundamentalism thing, it is a bad-science-vs.-truth thing. But it took Vine Deloria to get many of us to realize that just because the theory of evolution is badly flawed and propped up only by the dogmatic religious assertions of the priests of the cult of science, that the creation-stories of the Hebrew Bible are not the only possible alternative.

This book deserves to be read by everyone: white or Indian, Christian or antichrist. Even people who fancy themselves scientific should read this book; if they are brave enough to explore Vine's premises, maybe there will be a little less bad science in the world.