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Elgar: The Sketches for Symphony No. 3

Edward Elgar (Composer), Paul Daniel (Conductor, Orchestra), Bournemouth Sinfonietta (Orchestra, Conductor), Bournemouth Symphony Orchestra (Orchestra), Paul Daniel (Artist)
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listen  1. Symphony No. 3, Op. 88 (elaborated A. Payne): I. Allegro molto maestoso16:15Album Only
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listen  3. Symphony No. 3, Op. 88 (elaborated A. Payne): III. Adagio solenne15:23Album Only
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  • Orchestra: Paul Daniel, Bournemouth Sinfonietta, Bournemouth Symphony Orchestra
  • Conductor: Paul Daniel, Bournemouth Sinfonietta
  • Composer: Edward Elgar
  • Audio CD (May 16, 2000)
  • SPARS Code: DDD
  • Number of Discs: 1
  • Label: Naxos
  • ASIN: B00004RC80
  • In-Print Editions: MP3 Download
  • Average Customer Review: 4.4 out of 5 stars  See all reviews (9 customer reviews)
  • Amazon.com Sales Rank: #226,441 in Music (See Bestsellers in Music)

On this CD:
  1. Symphony No.3 (incomplete; completed by Anthony Payne)
    Composed by Edward Elgar
    Performed by Jonathan Carney, Bournemouth Sinfonietta
    Conducted by Paul Daniel


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Naxos's title for this disc is an outstanding example of honesty. Edward Elgar never wrote his Third Symphony; he left behind a mass of sketches that were in no sense a completed work. The detailed program notes for this disc clearly explain what Elgar wrote and what use Anthony Payne has made of the materials. The result is a coherent, four-movement symphony, but only a hint of what Elgar's would have been like. Some striking material, including the opening theme of the first movement, grabs the listener's attention, but, for the most part, that material is dispersed in discursive development--not unlike, a cynic might remark, the style of Elgar's completed symphonies. This is not a major discovery, but those already fond of Elgar's music will welcome the disc, with its lively and sensitive performance, good recorded sound, excellent annotations, and bargain price, as a reasonable opportunity to investigate what might have been. --Leslie Gerber

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5.0 out of 5 stars A gift for lovers of Elgar, May 30, 2000
By John Harrington (anywhere, USA) - See all my reviews
As far as I can tell from reading the notes of the CD and other sources, Payne's "elaboration" of Elgar's legacy of 3rd symphony sketches involved such unimaginable difficulties as providing a development section for the first movement, composing most of the finale and much of the adagio, as well as a coda for the 2nd movement! For anyone else it might have been justly called arrogant presumption, but not for Payne. His self-confidence in plunging into Elgar's unfinished masterpiece is fully justified by the results. This is every inch an Elgarian work, and it should be and will be treasured for years to come by Elgar enthusiasts.

This recording, furthermore, does justice to the work, and makes a good case for its inclusion among the pantheon of Elgar masterpieces. Paul Daniel's reading is dramatic and convincing, with many subtleties to ponder over on repeated listenings. The Bournemouth orchestra provides a polished, faultless performance, which, nevertheless is never over-polished or routine.

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5.0 out of 5 stars Another view, equally valid, in some ways better, June 11, 2000
By J Scott Morrison (Middlebury VT, USA) - See all my reviews
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It's been more than two years since we had the first recording of the Elgar/Payne Third Symphony, by Andrew Davis and the BBC Symphony on NMC, who premiered it. I will attempt to compare this new recording with that of Davis. This recording is every bit as valid as that one. Payne has made some revisions which may make the work a bit stronger. In this recording, Paul Daniel, a conductor whose renown is growing, conducts a strong, more trenchant performance. Davis's version seems a bit round, soft in comparison. The first movement is more muscular here, yet the second subject is noble, melting. In the second movement, Daniel's approach makes the music seem more symphonic than in Davis's rather light-music approach. The third movement is stark but with occasional heroic and assertive outbursts revealing emotional depths not felt in Davis. Some have complained that in the Davis recording the ending of this movement is anticlimactic, but here its resignation and sadness are poignant. The last movement is, for me, the weakest of the symphony, perhaps because there are borrowings from some of Elgar's earlier music, but Daniel makes a case for it, and in particular the ending is moving. The performance is outstanding, as are the sonics. And then, of course, there is the super-budget price. A worthy addition to Elgar recordings.
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5.0 out of 5 stars The saddest story..., April 5, 2005
By Michael Steinberg (Rochester, NY USA) - See all my reviews
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The other reviewers on this page have covered most of the essentials. All I want to add is something sufficiently subjective to open up a different kind of objectivity. No, this isn't Elgar's Third Symphony (and doesn't claim to be); in some deep way it's a meditation on that non-existent work. To me it is a very strong piece, and strong in inimitably Elgarian ways. Regardless of what is Elgar and what is Payne, we are often taken aback by moments or connections that aren't Elgarian in their typicality but--far better--Elgarian in the kind of revelation they bring. And what Payne has done with them is create a finished work that is always gesturing towards its incompleteness, most of all in the strange yet hauntingly effective ending.

And all this is exactly as it should be. In the last two or three years of his life Elgar had felt his muse returning--in part, almost as with Janacek, through his attraction for a young performer. He surely knew how good the new material in the Symphony was. He was working again, and well, and for any artist there is no pleasure that is at all comparable. And then, of course, he was diagnosed with terminal cancer. Any hope that he had, delusory or not, that his strength would see the work to completion collapsed.

The terrible pathos of Elgar's last months was not that his best work was long behind him. It was that he had once more come to life as the great artist he was, only to watch that life slip away--and with it his Third Symphony. I don't think it's over-interpreting to hear that pathos in Payne's brilliant yet respectful "elaboration." Nor is such duplicity alien to Elgar's other works, which are so often emotionally ambivalent and which also simultaneously celebrate his self-made place in the Western classical tradition and lament that tradition's passing. The sad grandeur of Elgar's best work is woven from this, and the "Elgar Third" now closes his career in splendor, reflection and sadness at once.
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4.0 out of 5 stars Good performances, but this is in no way a masterpiece
I suppose everyone who reads this is familiar with the story behind Elgar's third symphony as realized by Anthony Payne. Read more
Published 8 months ago by G.D.

2.0 out of 5 stars Don't Believe The Hype
Lame. Oh sure, the first movement is a most welcome addition to Elgar's catalogue, it's a strongly argued piece of music, with a great "hook". Read more
Published 13 months ago by Paul D.

5.0 out of 5 stars Elgar's third symphony
This is, admittedly, a reconstruction of what Elgar may have done with the sketches he left for his proposed third symphony. Read more
Published on October 10, 2003 by Robert E. Nylund

5.0 out of 5 stars Thank God for Anthony Payne!
This splendid symphony may not be exactly what Elgar had in mind, but I'm certain he would have been proud of it. Read more
Published on August 22, 2002 by D. MCGOVERN

5.0 out of 5 stars Brilliant realization
To carp that this work isn't really Elgar's Third Symphony is completely to miss the point of what Anthony Payne was trying to achieve. Read more
Published on April 26, 2002 by majora_canamus

4.0 out of 5 stars A different view, for different tastes
I was somewhat disappointed in this recording, having read the gushingly positive reviews in the press. Read more
Published on July 26, 2000 by JQR

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