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In reply to an earlier post on Oct 29, 2010 6:37:02 PM PDT
Dan Hamilton says:
I think that with the rating systems in place - and being a 36 year old video game fan right now myself - I should be entitled to buy adult oriented entertainment if I so choose. I think I should have to show ID to buy it and it should be kept out of the hands of minors, but I also think it is not the place of one person to decide for everyone what should and should not be allowed in the entertainment of a fully grown, responsible, man or woman. Period.

Sex is relevant to the human condition, and art has always been around to portray and critique the human condition in all of it's various forms. It's this same mentality that had prudish cultures go back and glue leaves over the penises of Greek statues because they just couldn't handle the truth. Ridiculous.

Posted on Oct 29, 2010 10:46:22 PM PDT
Almost all video game sexuality is mind bogglingly sophomoric and juvenile.

In reply to an earlier post on Oct 30, 2010 1:30:07 AM PDT
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Ghost says:
Thats an awesome post Natalie. Its refreshing to discuss a topic with someone who does resort to attacking. My posts are passionate and I really try to get my ideas across with a peppering of humor, and I never attack unless I am attacked...then I defend myself and fight back as my gladiator name suggests lol

I respect your opinions as well and do agree with a lot of what you're saying. But for argument sake, I'm wondering how you feel about sex in movies? Is that all pointless and offensive as well? I'm asking this because I grew up in the 80's and 90's...the infancy of video games. It was all well and good that 99% of all games back then were "safe" and would no doubt get "E" or "T" ratings today. As a 37 year old, well adjusted adult who LOVES the videogames we have now, I want to see them take that next step toward being the "New film" that they are becoming. Playing a videogame now is like watching an interactive movie. So my argument is that if its perfectly acceptable to have sexual relationships and nudity in movie stories, then why not videogame stories, as they are AS deep, if not MORE deep then most movie plotlines?

Yes, I'll concede sometimes the nudity and sex is just used to cause controversy and sell games, but lately we've had some awesome games come out where the stories are so great and the characters are so deep, you WANT that human connection of sexuality explored ( i.e. Heavy Rain ).

I'm not a perv and I don't need to get my rocks off playing sexy videogames ( thats what porn and the internet are for )...I'm simply saying its the next evolutionary step toward games overtaking movies as the major visual media of the future, and I want my characters to act as human as possible. When CGI started out, we demanded it become more and more realistic looking, and its taken great leaps...so now we want our videogamaes to keep improving as well.

Thanks again Natalie for the peaceful posts :-)

In reply to an earlier post on Oct 30, 2010 1:42:01 AM PDT
Ghost says:
To Sean N.

Play Heavy Rain...nothing sophomoric and juvenile about that great game.

Posted on Oct 30, 2010 10:31:37 AM PDT
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Movies and sexuality, along with nudity, and sex? Well it depends on the movie or series, you know? For example, I really love the series "The Tudors". The sex in the series tries to.. Depict the actions of a king (specifically king henry VIII), Along with depicting how things were back in that time period. Realistically, I'd assume the king had lots of sex with tons of women. Now, as for say True Blood, I think the sex and nudity is not only too explicit but a little much, you understand? I don't have any problems with true blood, I just don't watch it really.

Posted on Oct 30, 2010 11:32:09 AM PDT
I'm on my iPad, on here I have two apps. One is "ESRB", and the other is "IMDB". These are very useful apps. Anyone who posts on this forum about sex and sexuality bothering them can make use of these things online at www.esrb.com, or www.imdb.com. Imdb has a part on it called parental guide with a very explicit explanation of all the nudity, gore and violence in a movie, esrb has the same for games. Very useful when helping people who are worried or paranoid make choices. You know?
Now, on imdb, you don't get a parental guide for any TV series, you should but you don't, so be weary of those. Plus, there's this new thing called a "common sense rating". You may be able to make use of that as well.

In reply to an earlier post on Oct 30, 2010 12:57:47 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on Oct 30, 2010 1:00:54 PM PDT
Ghost says:
Then the argument could be made that in the right context, as in some movies and TV shows, i.e. The Tudors ( GREAT series ), that sex and nudity would be acceptable in some games, such as the use of it in Heavy Rain. As everything in life, moderation is key. Overuse of sex only serves to dilute the experience. Its why some people who have too much sex, need to find kinkier and kinkier realeases until they border on the illegal. Moderation...thats what I would like to be used in my adult videogames, along with a compelling story and gripping characters...but it SHOULD be there when needed and developers shouldn't be afraid of a few uptight people who don't even PLAY videogames, to dictate their creative visions and freedoms as awarded them thru the Constitution...freedom of speech. Probably our most important right.

Thanks again Natalie :-)

In reply to an earlier post on Oct 30, 2010 1:22:30 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on Oct 30, 2010 1:24:12 PM PDT
Yes, moderation is such a good idea. We don't want to over do anything, we are civilized, not sex crazed animals. I guess some games can be based on sex, just as some games are based on gore and violence, if thats your thing, buy it... But it should really have some type of disclaimer or warning or better description.... so it's not too.. Shocking. For example, I don't think mafia 2 actually explains what the game is actually about or what type of side quests it includes. Better descriptions would make choosing games or movies easier for the prude and afraid or easily offended.

So, Spartacus, I seen the new series on blu ray DVD at bestbuy today, How is that series? Any good? Il assume there's some nudity in it and sex, like the Tudors, but is it good?

Posted on Oct 30, 2010 1:25:33 PM PDT
Series - Sparticus. That's what I meant, my iPad wouldn't let me scroll down to edit my post in the window, there's no scrolling button inside frames or windows. Weird?

In reply to an earlier post on Oct 30, 2010 1:40:12 PM PDT
Ghost says:
As far as descriptions of what videogames are about, I know the rating system can be vague, but because we live in such an information saavy world, all parents would have to do is read some online reviews of the games, or reviews in game magazines, to get accurate descriptions. Its not practical for the developer to explain the whole game on the back cover. People need to claim a little ownership in their buying decisions. I don't buy a single game until I have read a few "average Joe" reviews on Amazon or somewhere similar. I reallly don't trust game magazine reviews as they rely on advertising dollars that may skew their reviews a little bit. Plus, professional gamers and reviewers look for things the average gamer could care less about. So reading people's reviews, I get a great sense of the game, whats in it, and how it plays. Parents should use this technique to discover any questionable material before they buy. I'm lucky I guess, nothing offends me, so I'm never shocked.

Now, the series Spartacus... I think its the best cable series, ever. Lost was the best network show, EVER. Be warned Natalie, there is more nudity ( male and female ), sex and definitely violence then any TV series I think ever made. Every episode has numerous topless women, almost every episode has full frontal male nudity, there are sex scenes in almost every episode...not actual penetration shown, but darn close. And of course, because its about gladiators, there is extreme violence, blood and gore. The sad thing is, I read that the lead actor was diagnosed with cancer and probably won't be back for the second season. I don't know what they will do. I sincerely hope he comes back as he was perfect. The whole cast was perfect.

I hope that helps your decision...its definitely NOT for kids and most adults probably couldn't handle it either. But it WAS part of Roman history...the romans were famous for their orgies, lavish parties, and bloody gladiator games. I always said that if it happened in real life, I owe it to myself to accept it...unlike some people who live with their heads in the sand.

So in short...the Tudors is like Sesame Street compared to Spartacus.

Posted on Oct 30, 2010 1:52:47 PM PDT
What about Sparticus compared to Rome, which was on HBO?

Well there is www.esrb.com for the game rating system.

I like the new common sense rating they have on some of the newer games or movies, but thats a newer trend not many people have picked up on yet.

In reply to an earlier post on Oct 30, 2010 1:59:30 PM PDT
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Ghost says:
I think I saw only season one of Rome, and from what I remember, its still very, very tame compared to Spartacus. I should add, I don't think its the best cable show simply because of the violence and nudity. The story is very compelling and characters complex. One certain character you absolutely HATE in the beginning, then learn to respect and really like in the end. THATS the mark of a great story, when the characters develope like that. I have absolutely no negative thoughts about season one of Spartacus...to me, it was perfect. Even made me go read a couple books about the real Spartacus rebellion and war...very interesting history.

Posted on Oct 30, 2010 3:22:05 PM PDT
Bill Rotunda says:
xbox should come out with an adults only 2 player co-op KINECT sex game...that would be classic!!!

In reply to an earlier post on Oct 30, 2010 5:59:58 PM PDT
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In reply to an earlier post on Oct 30, 2010 6:16:49 PM PDT
I'm sure Sparticus is a good series, I'm curious about it. Is it as over the top as true blood though? True blood is a little much for me, as is Californiacation. Maybe they are guy series? Dexter too, its a bit eh. I'm more into epic things and historic things.

Posted on Oct 30, 2010 6:41:32 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on Oct 30, 2010 6:43:46 PM PDT
Kids today know more in first grade than their great grandparents did when they got married.
Kids learn from peers. Kids learn from video games, TV and movies. What they are learning about sex is not sacred or wholesome; it is distorted. It simply overcharges their hormones and causes them to focus on sex to the exclusion of the life that kids should be living.

The same goes for violence in video games. Kids learn what they are exposed to, and they practice killing people.

The common perspective is that movies and video games are "just pretend" or "just fun", but not real. But civilian and military psychologists think otherwise. The tell us that the these fun games program us for our roles and behaviors in the same way that other children's toys do. Military training video games not only develop expertise and reflexes, but attitudes and responses. Our bodies react exactly the same to dreams as they do to real life; only the locomotion is suppressed.

Ask yourself what kind of values and attitudes you want your children to grow up with (including those about sex and about violence). Provide them with an environment that supports that.

Consciously or unconsciously, we are shaping not only our children's futures, but our own collective future that our children will help to shape. Let's accept responsibility for this, and make our decisions consciously.

In reply to an earlier post on Oct 30, 2010 7:03:04 PM PDT
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Posted on Oct 30, 2010 7:12:03 PM PDT
Ghost says:
Any sex I've ever seen in any videogame I've ever played, has never taken away from the experience or interrupted anything. Its only ever added to the experience. People that say its a distraction...I'm really wondering what you people find enjoyable?????????? WOW...didn't realise there were so many Amish in the USA anymore.

In reply to an earlier post on Oct 30, 2010 7:29:03 PM PDT
Spartacus,

Of course you are entitled to your full dose of whatever you choose. I think that the basic tenant of our freedoms is that you can do whatever you want as long as it does not harm anyone else. You can flail your fists as long as they do not come in contact with some else's face.

But keep it away from our kids. Of course the kids will find access to whatever "entertainment" is available. But by letting kids into a violent or overtly sexual movie, or condoning such video games, we are teaching our children to adapt those attitudes and belief systems. Peers may hold more sway than parents in the short run, but the values and attitudes that we as parents instill will be their foundation, once the rebellious years are spent.

"M" ratings and related themes should not be available to kids any more than cigarettes are. Sure some kids will smoke. But there are a lot fewer smoking adults now than there were when smoking was "the thing to do."

The only reason for lax standards is money -- violent video games are big business. But if they are potentially harmful, then they deserve to be restricted.

In reply to an earlier post on Oct 30, 2010 7:35:17 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on Oct 30, 2010 7:41:44 PM PDT
Ghost says:
David...as I said, I totally agree with that. Keep our kids safe.

I'm simply saying, as I've said many times before, the average age of today's videogamer is now 35 years old. It doesn't take a genius to run and numbers to find there are more adults playing videogames now then kids. Do you honestly believe the average 10, 11 or 12 year old can afford $60 videogames? Adults are buying these games. So with that being said, certain videogames should be geared toward adults...and keep some geared toward kids. And if you parents say you really love and want to protect your kids, then get more involved with their lives and what they are exposed to.

But I want the freedom to go to the store and buy the best product available from a videogame designer who didn't have to "hold back" because of puritan pressure.

The rating system really is a joke, but the "parent rating system", i.e. YES or NO...is cut and dried.

So I do agree with you David, but adult games should be for adults. not all games should be Pac-man anymore...or Mario...or Rock Band even. We need our Modern Warfares and God of Wars and Heavy Rains and Dragon Ages and Grand Theft Autos. How boring would life be without that? not a world I wanna trudge thru.

Posted on Oct 31, 2010 10:38:55 AM PDT
Honestly, I know some may disagree saying some how, and some where a kid wil find these things..... But here's my ideal feelings. True and honest.

Kids, they grow up so freaken fast, and enjoy their innocence for such a short time... If I had children I would rather them not get acquainted with mature games or porn or sex until high school starts, then - freshman year they may flourish, and grow and mature and experience the explicit world of porn and such, but I wouldn't want my child to grow any quicker than they have to.... Why have kids if you only want them to hurry up. Mature, get a job and leave.

In reply to an earlier post on Oct 31, 2010 12:58:43 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on Oct 31, 2010 1:16:41 PM PDT
Ghost says:
Thats interesting Natalie...I pegged you as a mother with like 9 kids with the way you've been talking lol. Caught me off guard...

I think for most parents, 18 years is more then enough to have to wait for their rugrats to go out on their own. Nowadays, some kids tend to stick around well into their twenties. I'm pretty sure the joy of parenting wears off after around year 2 lol...at least thats what I've heard from all the parents I work with :-)
Then after that, its all "Oh God, you're still here?"

Posted on Nov 1, 2010 9:08:06 AM PDT
foreverflash says:
Personally, I've been wanting that "AO" rating to get some use for once. It exists for a reason and the developers, publishers and hardware companies (like Microsoft and Sony) should capitalize on the niche and allow AO games to be made and sold. I would love to see some really great video game made in HD with amazing graphics like a lot of games have today and ALSO have great sex in it. It would really open up the market for many adults. People already love Manga and other forms of adult/sex oriented animation, why can't we have a "God of War" or "Call of Duty" looking game with tons of great hot sex? :)

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 1, 2010 9:38:14 AM PDT
Manga has aboslutely NOTHING to do with sex. Some of them have sex in them, but all manga is is Japanese comics. I like manga and NOTHING i read is sex oriented (naruto, inuyahsa, bleach, death note, ect.). they may have SOME sexual content in it, but you make it sound like is some kind of porn, which it is VERY far from.

Posted on Nov 1, 2010 11:21:07 AM PDT
It's good that people are actually debating the issue rather than just submitting a BS one word line statement. Most of you guys have really good interesting point of views. I liked Manhunt and wish Manhunt 3 came out on PS3. But one thing I learned if there was a sex scene in Manhunt it would take away from all that violence like those stupid horror movies. So have one or the other. Fable and Mass effect are both games that pulled off sex great, and honestly you did need it in it for character development. But not that it's my thing but if people want R18+ games why not. If your kids manage to get a hold of these games it's your failure as a parent that allowed this to occur. Teach you kids properly at the correct age and stop putting them in front of the baby sitter box (TV) for hours on end, then whinging when something inappropriate comes on. It up to you as an adult/parent to decide what they can and cannot do/watch. So stop expecting society to just sugar coat everything so you don't actually have to interact/parent your child. As Mr T said "knowing is half the battle."
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