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Extraterrestrial Battles with the U.S. Military?


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Initial post: Dec 31, 2010 6:54:26 AM PST
Last edited by the author on Dec 31, 2010 7:05:01 AM PST
ET-UFOs and our military pilots (or satellites) shooting at each other, is a subject ripe with controversy, amid a convoluted trail of intimidation, denials and debunking. Here are some of the best sites I could find:

http://www.ufoencounters.co.uk/they-were-shot-down-by-ufos.html
UFOs SHOOTING DOWN OR STEALING OUR AIRCRAFT
The "... air war that raged ferociously across the skies throughout 1952 ... U.S. Air Force pilots had been ordered to shoot down UFOs if they refused to land ... Resulting in U.S. aircraft being blasted out of the skies all across the world."

(This may have been the point that we felt so helpless, that the U.S. government signed contracts with the most malicious of the ETs, in exchange for advanced technology. We met with many ET groups, but the more positive or spiritual ETs refused the terms. Sort of a "make friends with the bad guys, in order to get enough technology to successfully battle malicious ETs in the future.")

http://www.book-of-thoth.com/article1736.html
U.S. ARMY 1974 SHOOT-DOWN OF A ET-UFO IN GERMANY
A very interesting and detailed account of a U.S. Army shoot-down of an ET-UFO over Germany, near Ramstein AF Base. At the height of the Cold War, this Army unit was ordered to shoot down anything flying below 2700 feet (where no "friendlies" would be flying, supposedly).

Firing hundreds of phosphorus rounds at a "flattened ellipsoid with rounded edges", the Army personnel who did the firing reported that "the shells were being absorbed or being vaporized at the (point of) explosion by some sort of force-field". The object crashed - or landed - out of sight. The after-activities were very interesting too, from the Army personnel's debriefing by the Air Force, to the several dozen military dispersed from Wright-Patterson to the German crash/landing site.

(This absorption or vaporization of the phosphorus rounds, sounds very similar to what was depicted when U.S. Military pilots fired on the monster ET-UFO in "Independence Day".)

http://www.disclosureproject.org/access/es-wit-test-government.htm
GOV INSIDERS / NASA / DEEP INSIDERS
More recently, Dr. Stephen Greer offers a variety of retired military and scientist testimony, about 'doing battle' with ET-UFOs:
"The Command Center was put on Zebra alert and Admiral Trane gave the order to force down the UFO."
"Dr. B has direct knowledge of the fact that certain groups have used these space-based (weapons) systems to successfully shoot down extraterrestrial spacecraft and their occupants."
"Weygandt believes that this UFO was shot down by a HAWK missile."

I'll be posting more later, especially on how the malevolent ETs, contractors or not, have apparently dug in to stay - in underground bases.

Posted on Dec 31, 2010 10:23:17 AM PST
K. Battor says:
The two things I want to know are:

1) Are we winning

2) Are we waterboarding any alien POW's.

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 31, 2010 10:26:59 AM PST
Ronald Craig says:
"(This may have been the point that we felt so helpless, that the U.S. government signed contracts with the most malicious of the ETs, in exchange for advanced technology. We met with many ET groups, but the more positive or spiritual ETs refused the terms. Sort of a 'make friends with the bad guys, in order to get enough technology to successfully battle malicious ETs in the future.')"

Still had some eggnog left from Xmas, huh? (Nah, you don't buy into anything silly, huh uh, no way! LOL.)

"(This absorption or vaporization of the phosphorus rounds, sounds very similar to what was depicted when U.S. Military pilots fired on the monster ET-UFO in 'Independence Day'.)"

(snicker)

"I'll be posting more later, especially on how the malevolent ETs, contractors or not, have apparently dug in to stay - in underground bases."

Looking forward to it! And a whole new year of silliness! (Happy New Year!)

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 31, 2010 12:20:32 PM PST
Last edited by the author on Dec 31, 2010 12:27:21 PM PST
M. Helsdon says:
"The "... air war that raged ferociously across the skies throughout 1952 ... U.S. Air Force pilots had been ordered to shoot down UFOs if they refused to land ... Resulting in U.S. aircraft being blasted out of the skies all across the world.""

There was indeed an air war in 1952: over Korea. The US, UK and Australian airforces were in combat against the Koreans, Soviets and Chinese.

The USAF lost just over one thousand four hundred aircraft to hostile action and other causes. The other causes would include weather, technical failures and, sadly, pilot error. These other causes weren't just in play in the skies of Korea, but anywhere aircraft were being used. In the early Fifties, jet aircraft were still relatively new and relatively primitive in terms of materials and systems compared with modern aircraft: losses in training and in routine flights (often in poor weather conditions because this is a necessity for all weather combat aircraft) were quite high. Piston-engine and jet-engine aircraft were both still in military use.

"A very interesting and detailed account of a U.S. Army shoot-down of an ET-UFO over Germany, near Ramstein AF Base."

Seems to have a number of technical errors, and is inconsistent with other versions of this 'engagement' such as that by former Lt. Col. Philip J. Corso who claimed: "Sometimes we actually got lucky enough to score a hit with a missile before the UFO could take any evasive action, which an army air defense battalion did with an antiaircraft missile near Ramstein Air Force Base in Germany in May 1974. The spacecraft managed to crash land in a valley." The Day After Roswell The Truth Exposed After Fifty Years.

So Corso says it was a missile hit, but Marilyn's 'source' says ""It was as if the [Vulcan] shells were being absorbed or being vaporized at the explosion by some sort of "force field""

So these accounts are in contention; could they both be wrong? 9-)

Well, it turns out the man who supposedly shot the UFO down isn't too pleased with his name being attached to the story.

Mr Yonts has contacted another site spreading the story. As 'Spiritual Architect' is permitted to republish sources in verbatim, I'll do the same for Mr Yonts:

"I was a squad leader of an XM163 Towed Vulcan. Served from February 1973 to Nov 1974 at Ramstien AFB Germany, 4th Squad 4th Platoon in B Battery 2/60 ADA 32nd AADCOM.

"Last week I had a coworker come and tell me I was some kind of Alien abuser. I told him I treated the H1b visa folks well. Needless to say he was not talking about that.

"I read with some amusement your tall tale about my alleged involvement in a UFO downing.

"I will ask you politely to cease and desist from publishing my name and supposed quotes from me.

"In one part you mention that the details include real people that are easily confirmed.

"My question is, that being the case, why did you not attempt to contact any of these folks to corroborate your Sci-fi channel script that somehow wandered into the public domain?

"Your technical advisor got multiple facts wrong, if this is not being prefaced as a work of fiction.

"1. Air Defense Artillery in the US Army is organized by Battery not Company or Detachment.
2. Bill Langdon never was a Quaker to my knowledge. He was a party animal, and avid Hunter, shooting anything, anywhere was never an issue for him.
3. A vulcan's rate of fire was 3000 rounds per minute limited to 10,30,60, and 100 round bursts.
4. The range of Air defense ammo was pre-fused from 2200 to 2800 meters.
5. This system had an AN/TVS2 night sight for ground defense mode, but the first bust flare would destroy the Gen 1 Night sight if not covered. This was a fairly worthless system at night.
6. The areas around the base were populated by civilians. Loading and firing would not be a rational act, and definitely not one a 2nd Lieutenant could pull off alone.
7. Why a C141 to haul it out, MAC (Military Airlift Command) had C5-A Galaxy transports stationed at Ramstien.
8. SP4 McCracken was not a Sergeant to my knowledge, and may have already went home by the time in question.

"In a work of fiction, a disclaimer about similarity to persons living or dead is usually included to stave off any possible legal entanglements.

"My Army buddies and I served at a tense but boring time. I would suggest you make at least a cursory effort to contact them to see if any but the yarn spinner will confirm or deny this whopper.

"There were times late at night when young soldiers told each other stories over a bowl of Hash in Germany. Yanking the chain of Gullible Boys was a favorite pass time for some. I am amazed but not amused by this one, as it has me and former friends as miss-quoted participants.

"I hope legal recourse or any other unpleasantness will not be needed to resolve this request."

'Disclosure' fiction disregarded.

Posted on Dec 31, 2010 6:12:36 PM PST
Last edited by the author on Dec 31, 2010 6:31:32 PM PST
getalife says:
ADA=Air Defense Artillery of the Vulcan variety was intended to engage incoming low flying Soviet aircraft that had not been taken out or had evaded surface to air missles. The Vulcan was also found to be an effective force against many of the Soviet made light and even some heavy skinned vehicles as was found out in a few engagements with North Vietnamese tracked vehicles. The Israelis also used them to great success against the Syrians and the Egyptians. Depleted uranium shells can really put a damper on your day. On a calm and quiet morning you can hear them about 5 miles away. Watching the A-10 Thunbderbolt (Warthog) using the GAU-8 30mm Vulcan on a tank is something to behold....Unless you happen to be inside the tank.

Still......

And having said all that, I find it hard to believe that these super advanced UFO's from some other planet with a thousand years advanced knowledge could not overcome something as simple as what is basically a really big rifle bullet. Remember the thread about all our nuclear missles being turned off by those aliens in North Dakota or Montana or whereever it was?

Or....

Maybe they come from some sideways dimensional place who can zap in and out of where we live and still not have learned to neutralize our defenses, as in our piddly primitive pop guns

Or....

Those who say the aliens are actually from our future (ala Bill Birnes) wouldn't they already know what we had in this period of our development and made the proper adjustments?

I toss this out MH and RC because despite showing that this story is made of BS from whole cloth, you can bet your last penny that it will be said that those who were there are actually lying and belong to the secret government and new world order.

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 31, 2010 10:11:36 PM PST
Ronald Craig says:
"you can bet your last penny that it will be said that those who were there are actually lying and belong to the secret government and new world order"

That's always the tactic of last resort, no? LOL. ;)

In reply to an earlier post on Jan 1, 2011 8:02:31 AM PST
Last edited by the author on Jan 1, 2011 8:13:51 AM PST
1) Are we winning?
At this point, No. But we are continuing development of weaponry and techniques to destroy them, or send them fleeing.

ON THE BAD SIDE
--- The Earthly anti-alien forces are small and divided, partially due to strictly enforced "compartmentalization" in both the military and intel agencies. (People can no longer swap UFO/ET stories with each other in a bar. And these brave souls have to be very careful with electronic communications.) And partially due to their ranks having been infiltrated by at least one ET, hybrid or individual really working for the other side.
--- The ETs and their hybrid offspring have infiltrated all levels of government and the media. Even if they are just "sleeper agents", they can suggest, manipulate and find a million reasons to do (or not do) something the ETs do or don't like.
--- We are slowly acquiring weaponry and techniques to fight them on their level. Even bullets can take them out, like the fire-fight under Dulce, but that has to be close-range and very dangerous fighting.
--- We have bunker-busting bombs to attack their underground bases, but we don't have a reasonable explanation yet for the locals, to explain a massive explosion in their area.
--- As long as the ET/UFO "problem" is officially denied, people wouldn't understand any of these more brazen anti-ET solutions. So it's really to the advantage of the negative ETs and their native cohorts to keep a lid on the (leaking badly) UFO/ET Problem.
--- Since the ETs have the upper hand right now, it's debatable if the ET "contractors" have given us advanced technology that actually works, or which they couldn't still counter.

ON THE GOOD SIDE
--- Most of these ETs weren't born and raised here, so they many times die young due to their bodies' incompatibility with this planet's energies and diseases.
--- Which is another explanation for "Why underground/underwater bases?" because they can better control a closed environment like that. (Even the ETs we capture alive and keep above ground, don't live for more than a few years.)
--- Many of these ETs are at war with each other, even here on Earth. So that pulls their time and attention away from us. And a few benevolent ETs are working against the negative ETs, and for us.
--- In the OP's third link, it was stated that we've shot down arriving "unfriendlies" from satellites. But this is only effective if they aren't inter-dimensional.
--- We need to get a better "surveillance spectrum". Some invisible ET craft have been revealed thru infrared-scanning. And others have been seen with a brightly-lit backdrop, like a full moon or the sun. We also need to use google-earth type technology to "detect" unnatural energy signatures, either airborne ET craft or underground bases.

"2) Are we waterboarding any alien POWs?"
Cute joke, but no.
--- Physically frail, most captured ETs are communicated with by telepathy. It's in our best interests (right now) to get them to reveal their advanced technology, and other information related to planetary-security.
--- "Water-boarding" is too kind for some of these negative ET species, who abduct, murder and mutiliate people as well as cattle. (But then again, only the negative and malicious ETs "agreed" to our terms - "Give us advanced technology, and you can abduct a limited amount of people every year". Which the Grays, or their unseen handlers, quickly abandoned.)

Posted on Jan 1, 2011 12:46:32 PM PST
K. Battor says:
Well Marilyn, you really don't have a sense of humor. If the aliens were so abvanced, they could pop up anywhere. Why not go to some place like Easter Island and grab all the people they want.
What I like about all those stories of UFOs buzzing commercial airliners is that no one catches the picture of it on cell phones. UFOs are like bigfoot and the Loch Ness monster. It pops up out of nowhere, does amazing things for no reason and disappears again. There is no context to any of those phenomenon.

In reply to an earlier post on Jan 1, 2011 2:46:54 PM PST
Ronald Craig says:
"Well Marilyn, you really don't have a sense of humor."

You're starting to catch on. ;)

In reply to an earlier post on Jan 1, 2011 2:57:16 PM PST
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Posted on Jan 1, 2011 5:50:51 PM PST
According to a 2010 survey, 91% of Americans use cell phones.

And only ONE person in the area of LA got a photo of the UFO??? Right!

In reply to an earlier post on Jan 2, 2011 1:03:43 AM PST
Ronald Craig says:
"At least a few people would disagree with that assessent, as I have a bi-weekly humor column running in Computor Edge."

According to the M&M Bingo Rules (Full Whack Redaction)... "Additional points are won when you ... advertise one of your online articles." So...

+1

"As the saying goes, 'If you can't stand up for anything, you will fall for everything.'"

Marilyn's little pithisms are known for plumbing new depths of banality, but that makes... absolutely ZERO sense. Standing up for something means to speak or act strongly in support of it. Falling for something means to be deceived or taken in by it; falling for everything would indicate a state of complete gullibility. But how would failing to support anything make you extremely gullible?

I'm trying to remember if I've seen anything quite as stupid before...

In reply to an earlier post on Jan 2, 2011 1:07:32 AM PST
Ronald Craig says:
"And only ONE person in the area of LA got a photo of the UFO??? Right!"

Obviously, Bob, the aliens in the UFO were able to disable everyone's cell phones but since the visiting player was with a non-local company, his phone wasn't affected.

(snicker)

I'm more interested in the human and chimp DNA in bigfoot. Has she posted anything about that here? :D

Posted on Jan 2, 2011 6:44:00 AM PST
Last edited by the author on Jan 2, 2011 7:11:01 AM PST
Bob -

http://www.batangastoday.com/manu-ginobili-ufo-sighting-caught-on-video/
Several cell phone videos caught the same UFO over Los Angeles, as did the pro basketball player, Manu Ginobili.

MORE MILITARY-BATTLING-UFOs SITES

http://tucsoncitizen.com/paranormal/2010/08/03/film-inspired-by-1942-los-angeles-ufo-battle-coming-in-2011/
"BATTLE: LOS ANGELES" is a movie coming out this year (2011). Based on the real 1942 incident where artillery was fired at a massive UFO hovering over Los Angeles, this event ends up in a lot of Best UFO Cases lists. The upcoming movie will probably stray from the actual incident, however, since it is only "inspired" by the real events.

http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2008/07/militarys-own-u/
(From 2008) MILITARY UFOS: THE TRUTH (UPDATED)
This short article from Wired-DangerRoom touches on some important sub-topics applicable to this discussion. Namely, that the U.S. Military has their own Earth-made UFOs (supposedly produced by Boeing at an El Segundo, California plant). And the idea of "non-terrestrial officers" hints at ETs in our military. (It's been stated previously, that at least one ET species looks just like us, and walks among us.)

http://theallseeingeye.us/
A strange site, with a lot of stuff I don't agree with. But if you scroll down to "The Dulce Book by Branton", there is an entire book on underground military/ET bases you can download as a pdf.

Chapter 20: "Special Forces: Defenders of Planet Earth?" is a quick chapter I read, closely related to this discussion's topic. A special Delta Force has an insignae of a black triangle on red, which has also been seen on aircraft, and provides Security at some underground bases.

In reply to an earlier post on Jan 2, 2011 7:29:33 AM PST
Last edited by the author on Jan 2, 2011 7:31:41 AM PST
M. Helsdon says:
"There have been plenty of UFOs captured on cell phone cameras. There was a recent story of a bizarre UFO over Los Angeles that a visiting pro basketball player caught on his cell phone. And there is still no explanation for what he photographed."

Apparently a bright light from an aircraft. Cell phone cameras are as susceptible to lens flare as other cameras.

"Bigfoot hairs have been analyzed as a cross between human and chimp DNA."

No they haven't. The University of Alberta analysed some 'bigfoot' hairs in 2005: result? 100% bison. Similarly, 'yeti' hairs have been analysed as belonging to brown bears or the asiatic black bear. Unfortunately the "cross between human and chimp DNA" is an old and invalid *story* still propagated on the web.

"People who live around Loch Ness have seen and are convinced that something strange lives deep in the water."

It helps the tourist trade.

"People who have seen or interacted with UFOs or ETs know there is definitely something to the phenomenon."

UFOs as unidentified flying objects are one thing: there's no evidence of any extraterrestrials.

"These are just frightening realities that people don't want to rock their cozy little world."

These are the realities that some people don't want to rock their cozy little fantasies.

"If you can't stand up for anything, you will fall for everything."

Just so... 9-)

Posted on Jan 2, 2011 9:33:30 AM PST
K. Battor says:
Marilyn: Where to start.
There are millions of cell phones world wide. You cite only one case. With all the so called sightings we should be over flowing with pictures.
As to bigfoot as a cross between chimps and humans. Humans have a different number of chromosomes than chimps. I doubt you would get viable offspring from such a cross (I dare any one to try and mate with an adult chimpanzee anyway!). Chimpanzees live in tropical Africa. How did bigfoot end up in the Americas? I know some tried to say that the came via Beringia during the last Ice Age. But how would a large primate survive in the Arctic Circle during a major ice age. And what would it eat, grass?
As for the Loch Ness Monster, there is no way a large marine reptile could be living in Loch Ness. Reptiles are all air breathers so you would be seeing them many times a day when they came up for air.
I do stand for something: SCIENTIFIC TRUTH.
I know it is fun to believe in Atlantis or aliens, but without the scientific method all you do is fall into superstition. And as Carl Sagan loved to say "Incredible claims need incredible evidence".

In reply to an earlier post on Jan 2, 2011 9:37:49 AM PST
Ronald Craig says:
"I do stand for something: SCIENTIFIC TRUTH."

Bravo! Try to get in a few more good hits before she puts you on ignore! ;)

In reply to an earlier post on Jan 2, 2011 10:49:19 AM PST
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M. Helsdon says:
K. Battor,

"As to bigfoot as a cross between chimps and humans. Humans have a different number of chromosomes than chimps. I doubt you would get viable offspring from such a cross (I dare any one to try and mate with an adult chimpanzee anyway!). Chimpanzees live in tropical Africa. How did bigfoot end up in the Americas? I know some tried to say that the came via Beringia during the last Ice Age. But how would a large primate survive in the Arctic Circle during a major ice age. And what would it eat, grass?"

The most 'realistic' possibilitiy is a survival of a species related to Gigantopithecus, but the issues of diet and the need for a reasonably sized population make this highly improbable.

To make it even vaguely possible, instead of a herbivore Gigantopithecus, you'd need a subspecies that became an omnivore or carnivore, and all the teeth from China and elsewhere indicate that Gigantopithecus ate fruit and bamboo.

'Meganthropus', a suspected relation of homo erectus might be another possibility, or Pithecanthropus erectus, but they only lived in south east asia almost two million years ago.

Neither of these species, if they still existed, would satisfy the criteria for 'a cross between human and chimp DNA'.

So, bigfoot looks like Niseag to be an imaginary cryptid.

[I'm mildly surprised that Marilyn hasn't identified bigfoot as evidence of ET genetic engineering; Gregory Benford's In the Ocean of Night (Galactic Center, Volume 1) has bigfoot as the remnants of a hominid species contacted long ago by aliens and an example of their failure at genetic tampering... In Benford's hands, this is just a tiny piece of what is one of the best science fiction series.]

Posted on Jan 2, 2011 3:25:41 PM PST
K. Battor says:
Marilyn was writing about people who don't want to "rock their cozy little world" so I know she will never put me on ignore.
Any possible species for bigfoot coming from the old world still have to explain how a tropical species could survive in the arctic during an ice age. according to the "theories", they seem to have made a beeline directly to America.

PS discussing hominid evolution is much more interesting than Extraterrestrial battles with the US military.

In reply to an earlier post on Jan 2, 2011 11:51:14 PM PST
Ronald Craig says:
Not quite sure I'm getting you in that first sentence; in Marilyn's world, anyone who points out her factual or logical errors is doing so because they're afraid of the truth and don't want their complacency challenged. From what I can see, you're on a beeline to "Ignore this customer" with an ETA within the week! :D

"PS discussing hominid evolution is much more interesting than Extraterrestrial battles with the US military."

Always! Unless some IDiot shows up, that is. ;)

In reply to an earlier post on Jan 3, 2011 12:32:38 AM PST
Last edited by the author on Jan 3, 2011 8:29:05 AM PST
M. Helsdon says:
K. Battor,

"discussing hominid evolution is much more interesting than Extraterrestrial battles with the US military."

True. Gigantopithecus was around about eight hundred thousand years ago, and 'Meganthropus' almost two million, so you could argue they might have meandered over during a warmer period, with the problem that there's not many windows for them to cross, save by swimming or floating across a wide sea. The issue of needing at least five hundred individuals to maintain a breeding population, and probably many more, kills the idea of a modern population in north America. There simply isn't enough remote wilderness to prevent constant sightings and finds. Now, if bigfoot were really hobbit sized littlefoot, there *might* be a slightly better chance, but they'd be turning up as roadkill etc. There are remote places and some not so remote where new species are being found, but bigfoot is simply too large and would have too large an ecological footprint to be missed: a few claimed hairs, footprints and scat aren't enough.

In reply to an earlier post on Jan 4, 2011 6:32:18 PM PST
The earthly anti-alien forces are small and divided? Exactly which general has said this? I trained for many contangencies that covered chemical, biological and nuclear warfare. Not to mention your good old Soviet Union all out conventional force attack.

Hey Marilyn? Would you REALLY like for THE FIRST TIME in all your INSIPID ramblings to FINALLY know a true NATO war fighting secret? Here it is. In the early and into the mid 1980's the Warsaw Pacts plan for a conventional assault on the west was set on a strict time table. From the opening of hostilities which we know now would have come through the Fulda Gap of east and west Germany, which is all low country and allows for the massing of Soviet armor and mechanized forces. They would have 6 weeks, by their own time table to split the NATO forces in half with one force going into Belgium and the other cutting through France.

We knew about this because those kind of secrets can't be kept.

So you are going to sit there and say without a true defense related statement from REAL people in uniform and NOT hiding behind a supposed alias that these are facts? What have you been smoking?

ET contractors have given us advanced technology that may or may not work?

What in the world does that mean? Hey, why didn't we have any of this stuff during the Gulf war?

As long as the et/ufo problem is officially denied? Well who the hell is telling you and the nut jobs then?

C'mon Marilyn, give us some names of people in the loop. Oh you can't can you. They're in hiding from the secret government.

You refuse to answer a single question with a direct confirmable response. It's more cut and paste from sources without credibility.

Surveillance spectrum. One more time. What the hell does that mean?

Posted on Jan 4, 2011 7:15:58 PM PST
Last edited by the author on Jan 21, 2011 2:56:59 PM PST
Some of these bozos do think bigfoot is an alien. Want to have some fun with the bigfoot crowd? When you meet them, be very serious and tell them you want to kill a bigfoot.

They'll go bonkers and start saying you can't do that. It's cruel and won't be right.

After they stop frothing at the mouth. Look at them and calmly point out that bigfoot will never be accepted without a live or dead body.

What these bozos will tell you next is that we should tranquilize them with a dart gun. Ask the idiots what kind of drug is used in dart guns? They'll look at you with a blank stare like the village idiots they are.

You can then tell them, that....

1)We don't know what bigfoot is. So we can't be sure what kind of drug would work.

2)Even in Africa where they dart elephants they still use helicopters to track the elephant, because they can haul tail. Elephants live in open areas. Bigfoot lives in heavily forested areas and the chance of tracking him by air won't work.

3)They will then respond that you can put a transponder inside the dart. OK fine. It's got hands like humans IDIOT! The FIRST thing it will do is to pull it out.

4)What if the bigfoot pulls out the dart and then runs away into the thick stuff? Remember what all these people who claim to have seen bigfoot said? It can just blend in and disappear into the forrest. OK so now you can't track it and it has a butt load of tranq drugs in it. It falls unconscious into a creek and drowns. WOW You just killed bigfoot!!

5)If it just passes out in the woods, it is still vulnerable to predators like bears, mountain lions and wolves. Getting eatting alive. How humane is that?

6)But. You kill one bigfoot. You then prove beyond any doubt that there is a creature out there.

7)Now you have 100's of 1,000's of acres being put aside by the government that not only protects bigfoot, but all the other flora and fauna in that system.

Now this is the common sense approach IF such a creature existed and would be the most HUMANE and professional way of getting the creature and ensuring it's survival as a species. In other words. Kill one. Save them all. Not to mention the ancillary advantages of protecting the other species that are found in the same eco system.

Of course we have one small problem here.

Bigfoot does NOT exist.

The retards who are opposed to killing one are opposed to it for 2 reasons.

1)THEY'RE the ones in the gorilla costumes running around the woods while their buddy takes their picture. ALWAYS in bad light or through the trees or at such a distance to not even be able to tell what they're seeing. So to have someone put a .338 Winchester Magnum round through their skull would put a serious damper on their day.

2)If such a creature was found to exist, then men and women who went to real schools and got real degrees in biology and wildlife management, would come in and take over from the high school dropouts who had been faking all their evidence for their entire so called "carrer". No more money to be made from the gullible and morons.

The Roger Patterson footage was a hoax. Patterson was a carnival guy who either with or without Bob Gimlins help pulled that crap off back in 1967. After all this time, that is STILL the ONLY good film footage of a bigfoot?

We have a nation of over 300 million people. Many armed and many licensed to drive motor vehicles. Yet NOT ONE SINGLE bigfoot has been shot or hit by a car. In Pennsylvania alone, there are over 60,000 deer killed by automobiles every year.

Why no bigfoot? Maybe 'cause he ain't there.

The best hoax I've seen lately is the plaster casts that are made with dermal ridges. Now the Marilyn Brigade would have you think that this proves beyond any shadow of any doubt that they exist, because after all, don't all humans/primates have dermal ridges on their feet and hands?

So let me ask you one question?

Plaster casts have been taken from bigfoot sites going back to the 1940's. WHY THEN have dermal ridges only been found on casts since the late 1990's?

Are we supposed to believe that prior to the late 90's that these creatures didn't HAVE THEM THEN?

No, and the plaster cast material has NOT changed that much since the 1940's as to have deemed it impossible back then to lift dermal ridges. If the bigfoot had dermal ridges in 1940, the plaster used then would have picked it up just as easily as it does today.

People are just becoming better at hoaxing and fooling the 'tards and the morons, who swallow it down just like the kool-aid Jim Jones gave his followers back in Jonestown in 1978.

Posted on Jan 5, 2011 2:12:55 PM PST
getalife says:
What no reply? How about some serious comeback to the old Sultan and his discourse?

You only have guts enough to put you don't think it adds to the discussion, but you don't have the guts or brain power to answer back. Well we know we ain't on the ignore list.

Reason you won't reply is because you're wrong, dumb, stupid and retarded. ZING!!!

Is it tough going through life with all those "positive" attributes??!

In reply to an earlier post on Jan 5, 2011 7:21:34 PM PST
getalife:
Right on man!
These bozos will accuse everyone of a conspiracy if it doesn't match their ideas and beliefs.
Loons is what they are.
If you made up some story about your time in the military that had anything to do with UFOs or ETs these people will believe it!
This represents a large portion of the American society and now we know why the last election went the way it did.
Tea partiers are actually aliens in disguise and they are trying to take over our government!
HELP!
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