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Posted on Mar 5, 2012 10:31:18 AM PST
I realize Amazon does not have the manpower to monitor all these discussions full time, but I admit I have wiped out and reposted reviews when the trolls became too much. :)

In reply to an earlier post on Mar 6, 2012 1:58:30 AM PST
"These are not your discussions or reviews. They belong to Amazon."

The discussions belong to Amazon. The reviews do not. They belong to the respective reviewers, who by posting them on Amazon grant Amazon non-exclusive rights to distribute, edit or delete them. Check the terms and conditions. Your reviews belong to you. Other websites who allow reviews make it clear that by posting reviews on their site, they claim ownership. Amazon don't do that, even though it can appear that way because of the clauses.

"If you want control, you need to have ownership rights"

I do.

But my earlier point is not really about ownership. It is about the fact that reviewers do this stuff for free and for fun. Some criticism is fair enough and some is justified (these two are not always the same) but some goes way beyond either. The upshot is that only people with thick skins can put up with it.

"No one but Amazon employees should have the right to be able to delete comments. The idea that any person could be able to squelch any further discussion of what they post is distasteful. "

Along with many other distasteful things on Amazon, but any deleted comments would be marked as such and reviewers who habitually delete comments would end up being noticed by those who inhabit certain forums.

As things stand, reviewers can get rid of comments by deleting and re-posting entire reviews. Those with thinner skins delete all their hands and don't bother reviewing anymore. They may even take their custom elsewhere.

In reply to an earlier post on Mar 6, 2012 9:18:40 AM PST
Agreed. I am certainly no pro reviewer but I do enjoy writing 300 word essays on my favorite films and books. I have found other sites like Goodreads and Shelfari for book review postings, sometimes EPinions, and Lunch (dot) com. These are great outlets too. I soured on Amazon when they changed the ranking system and then got rid of the Amazon Friends feature. But I still post. :) Sometimes I'll delete my comments when I see they are not contributing to a discussion or I realized the comment was a bit too much, written in the heat of the moment. Happens. We're human after all.

I do hope Amazon takes these discussions and incorporates some of these suggestions we're writing here. Bring back the friends and get rid of this silly ranking system when "fans" can't have their votes counted.

Posted on Mar 6, 2012 9:58:16 AM PST
W. P. Hughes says:
Keeping the buttons gives validity to the post. I for one read the five star and one star reviews; it's amazing how many time a product is given a one star for all the wrong reasons (e.g.) shipping not what I expected etc.

In reply to an earlier post on Mar 6, 2012 10:19:02 AM PST
Oh, agree! I think some buyers don't understand the difference between feedback and reviews. Amazon could make that clearer on the site, but why would someone complain about a buyer whom we don't know in a review?? I had one person get mad at me when I said her Thin Man review does not belong in a DVD that had nothing to do with the Thin Man series, regardless of William Powell appearing in both. Wow!

In reply to an earlier post on Mar 6, 2012 11:04:24 AM PST
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I had one person get mad at me when I said her Thin Man review does not belong in a DVD that had nothing to do with the Thin Man series, regardless of William Powell appearing in both.
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Well, at least they didn't have the power to make your comments disappear because it was "their" review you were critical of.

In reply to an earlier post on Mar 6, 2012 3:49:28 PM PST
True. Her review really had nothing to do with the DVD, which was very odd.

In reply to an earlier post on Mar 7, 2012 2:31:32 AM PST
Last edited by the author on Mar 7, 2012 2:32:00 AM PST
I've now looked through the comments on your reviews. One was deleted by Amazon, but while there are some critical comments on your other reviews, they are really quite mild. You really haven't had to put up with some of the stuff that others have had to put with, and which Amazon refuse to delete.

Oh and one other thing. A review from 2003 contains a misspelled word. As that review is very old, I hope you've learned how to spell the word correctly. Here's what the Urban Dictionary says.

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=versital

In reply to an earlier post on Mar 7, 2012 8:53:30 AM PST
Thanks Peter.

I also found I have two accounts! I had Amazon delete one. :)

In reply to an earlier post on Mar 7, 2012 9:37:32 AM PST
You apparently don't like your opinion challenged. Neither do I.

Do you really want to give me the power to unilaterally delete opinions that challenge me? Do you really believe that people would only use this power in a responsible way?

If it was my job to moderate, I would do my best to do so in an objective way, and set aside my personal opinions and biases. But if I don't have the obligation as an employee to be impartial, and I just have an unfettered ability to delete comments that dare to challenge me, I might play with someone for awhile, but eventually I'm just going to delete everything I don't like for no better reason than I don't like it.

You simply cannot give everyone that power. Monitoring the misuse of that kind of power is even more work than simply moderating the actual postings.

If you don't want someone to say things that challenge your opinion that badly, stop posting. Advocating for the right of people to delete opinions they don't like has got to be one of the most short-sighted ideas I've heard in a long time.

Posted on Mar 7, 2012 11:50:38 AM PST
Last edited by the author on Mar 7, 2012 11:51:00 AM PST
I would not make a blanket statement that I don't like my opinion challenged. If the person challenging has some good argument, I'm willing to listen and keep in my "netiquette." But in my example if someone is posting something that has Zero to do with the product, or is posting complaints about their seller, then see ya! I probably should just ignore them.

Thanks for the comments. Check my reviews, guys. Challenge away! :)

In reply to an earlier post on Mar 7, 2012 11:52:43 AM PST
Agreed to a point. If someone is being abusive, I would like to delete those. But you're right, Amazon should really have that power as they're unbiased.

Posted on Mar 7, 2012 2:50:11 PM PST
Last edited by the author on Mar 7, 2012 2:52:56 PM PST
Michael Ary says:
Like: The variety of Discussion groups available
Dislike: Not enough entry points to get to the discussion forums. Would you please provide a Discussion portal or menu on the Amazon home page? I usually have to enter the Discussion area by doing a topic search, which is cumbersome. A menu would help.
Like: The lively discussions and friends you make over time in many forums. Also, useful information you pick up there.
Dislike: After posting a comment in any discussion, in many Forums, it takes you back to the first page of the Forum you are in... so you have to click on either the last page # to take you back or click on "see latest post". Can't you set a default to leave you on the page you just posted to?

In reply to an earlier post on Mar 7, 2012 2:56:10 PM PST
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After posting a comment in any discussion, in many Forums, it takes you back to the first page of the Forum you are in...
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That's never happened to me. I'm always on the same page as the post I'm replying to, or on the page that I posted my non-reply comment from. Always.

In reply to an earlier post on Mar 8, 2012 6:09:17 AM PST
"I usually have to enter the Discussion area by doing a topic search, which is cumbersome."

You could bookmark your favorite forums, or otherwise save links to them.

In reply to an earlier post on Mar 8, 2012 6:17:29 AM PST
"Do you really want to give me the power to unilaterally delete opinions that challenge me?"

Yes.

"Do you really believe that people would only use this power in a responsible way?"

Most people would. Some wouldn't. Just like so many other things in life.

"if I don't have the obligation as an employee to be impartial, and I just have an unfettered ability to delete comments that dare to challenge me, I might play with someone for awhile, but eventually I'm just going to delete everything I don't like for no better reason than I don't like it. "

I wouldn't do that. I have better things to do.

"You simply cannot give everyone that power."

Don't worry. If Amazon were going to allow it, they would have done so long ago. Comments were first allowed in September 2006.

"Monitoring the misuse of that kind of power is even more work than simply moderating the actual postings."

What would there be to moderate? They don't moderate people deleting reviews to remove the comments. So it would be no work at all. If anything, it would cut costs,

"If you don't want someone to say things that challenge your opinion that badly, stop posting. Advocating for the right of people to delete opinions they don't like has got to be one of the most short-sighted ideas I've heard in a long time. "

Let's see if you still say that if and when you get vicious comments that Amazon refuse to delete.

Posted on Mar 15, 2012 4:29:59 AM PDT
I wish there was some sort of index available about the posts out there and the categories because there may be other topics we are interested in that we don't even know exist. It seems to me as it is you just stumble upon topics of interest at random sometimes. How can you visit a topic if you don't know it exists?
Also, is there a way to see all the previous comments we made. I am trying to figure out a timeline for an issue I have and if I could see my old posts it would help me to figure it out. Thanks.

In reply to an earlier post on Mar 15, 2012 9:14:51 AM PDT
Good point, KK. I would like to see some kind of Amazon Search Engine that could search for topics on the site. It would encourage more debate and discussion.

Posted on Mar 15, 2012 11:30:25 AM PDT
Yes, it would facilitate more/better discussions I think and it might also prevent or lessen duplication, a whole lot of threads, for example, about what is the best computer or router or external hard drive, for example. Thanks.

In reply to an earlier post on Mar 15, 2012 1:57:17 PM PDT
Unfortunately, many people don't look at a whole thread before responding. Take, for example, the PayPal thread from 2008 that keeps getting resurrected. It's been three years since they discontinued the plug-in that is mentioned, but people keep asking where to find it because they only read the old, obsolete information, and didn't read past it.

They find these ancient threads through Google and Bing, which illustrates that there already is a search function that works, but the concept of digging up dead threads instead of starting new threads doesn't work very well.

Posted on Mar 17, 2012 2:05:51 AM PDT
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In reply to an earlier post on Mar 17, 2012 8:36:40 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on Mar 17, 2012 8:38:01 PM PDT
QUOTING Peter Durward - "Along with many other distasteful things on Amazon, but any deleted comments would be marked as such and reviewers who habitually delete comments would end up being noticed by those who inhabit certain forums."

I concur wholeheartedly and I suppose I have such strong feelings as I do because there is another website (a group self-help site) wherein one particular person had a habit of locking a discussion wherein her opinion was challenged. I should say that before locking said discussion she would sometimes delete the offending (in her opinion) entry.

I did, as you say here, find this offensive and the fact that the site owners/managers allowed this affected my opinion on the credibility and the reliability of the information found there.

I think its cowardly to halt and/or delete anything in which there is a dispute (in the referenced case, i.e. the proper/legal way to resolution).

Thank you for bringing this up. I've seen how destructive it is to site integrity even if most people are unaware, to those who do it is significant.

In reply to an earlier post on Mar 20, 2012 3:17:13 AM PDT
Credibility of anything on the internet is always a matter of judgement. Whatever Amazon do, and whatever reviewers do, will always be criticized. Some people don't trust amateur reviewers, such as those who post on Amazon, but professional reviewers aren't necessarily trustworthy either. The advantage - and appeal - of Amazon is that people can and do review anything, and in the case of popular items, there are plenty of reviews to compare and contrast. I'm currently reading a book about somebody's tour of Britain with his family, the purpose of which was to provide material for a guidebook. The book about the five-month tour is quite entertaining, but I'm realizing that if this is the way that guidebooks are written, I can never again trust one. I'll use the amateur reviews on Trip Advisor in future to verify anything I read in guidebooks.

In reply to an earlier post on Mar 20, 2012 10:05:29 AM PDT
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Posted on Mar 21, 2012 8:31:31 AM PDT
is this the place to ask this question?

How does one create a discussion forum?

is it user controlled or does the topic have to be submitted somewhere?
(i'm not talking a single thread)
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