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New headers, is it worth it?


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I bought a LCE header for my 22Re on my 91 4x4, and it does make a significant difference, even with the California cat. I did go to stock tire size, and I have a K&N filter. If you're in California, you have to go with a smog ready header like LCE or Thorley. They're pricey. I also had a Pacesetter, and though not smog legal it did bolt on about the same amount of hp. Getting a better exhaust also improved pickup, about a gear difference in most cases.
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Posted on May 25, 2012 10:37:21 PM PDT
>I have to say Toyota has it going on. I have a Camry that Iam putting a new automatic In, And all new Seals, Oil Pump, Motor Mounts,Timing Belts, and So much more. <

You have to replace all that? Doesn't sound like Toyota has it "going on" at all. Damn that's a lot of worn parts.

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JV> Interesting discussion! My Sunbeam Tiger had a built 289 Hi-Po which was something north of 300 HP. It had a 2.88:1 Posi. The lb/hp was around 8:1. The combo of tires, hp, and rear ratio gave me 72 mph in first gear. The car was light and very fast! With the LeMans cam, The real power came on around 45-50 mph. At 72, the power dropped off drastically. I usually shifted at 70.

I could smoke the tires for several seconds until the speed of the car caught up with the tires. That happened right around 45 mph. You would think that if that was the point at which the power really turned on, it would be easy to keep the tires spinning but that was not the case. The car just gradually took off like an afterburner kicked in but the tires kept traction. It was never the goal to spin the tires anyway!

At the time, the thinking was to get off the line with the tires just chirping as long as possible. It was all about technique! NOT smoking the tires was the goal! You can smoke the tires and not go anywhere, or you can accelerate without spinning the tires at all. Both are slow! To get the lowest e.t. in the first 60', you need something in between!

The only way I can see that Falcon smoking the tire for that distance would have to have the front brakes dragging enough to allow the car to move forward slowly but never get any speed going. If you have a peg-leg rear end and the car can move forward slowly, the right rear tire could keep spinning for a mile or more. I don't see the point??? I agree with Jack! Under normal circumstances, a Falcon couldn't do it!

In reply to an earlier post on May 26, 2012 8:40:21 AM PDT
JackV says:
Looks like the emission warranty is only 2yrs/24,000 or 8 years/80,000 miles since 1996 (or car warranty can be longer). A bit confusing since it talks about if one is in an emission test area or not. California is stricter with a minimum of 7yrs/70,000

http://www.epa.gov/oms/consumer/warr95fs.txt

O2 sensor is probably 2 yrs. Leave it to the government to make a document that is difficult to decipher.

There was some discussion about going over 100,000 along with raising CAFE. Don't know when that will take effect.

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If I were you I would think about your goals and seek the best solution and be open to all modifications. If your budget is 100-200 bucks that will be a limitation. What sort of headers are you finding on that price range? It is sometimes possible to make gains in Hp and MPG via modifications to a vehicle but it is more common to make one or the other happen.

To calculate if it would be worth it you can figure that out by doing the math on the MPG increase you could get from a modification and input the cost of the mod to get you there. A Hp increase would be much more difficult to define as being worth it as it would be a personal thing. Also remember that tiny gains in Hp or Tq are not going to be significant in how fast the vehicle or how much it can tow or whatever your goal is for having it. Also see what the modifications do as far as where that extra power is located in the powerband. It is an increase at an RPM that you are going to actually drive at? Does it lower Hp or Tq at a point in the powerband?

Is the vehicle otherwise stock or have you done other modifications? Is this just for street driving with passengers or do you have some other goals such as towing or off road driving etc?

I would take a look in to what products you can get for that amount of money and what the dyno sheet show you vs stock. You might be best off to find a better quality header (as long as it is in good condition) used. Once you know what the amount of increase is and where it occurs then you can translate that in to what it would mean as far as a noticeable difference. In a heavy vehicle it takes more than just a few Hp to "feel" or really notice a difference.

I am not familiar with your particular vehicle but you might want to go on a forum specific for Toyota 4 Runners. There is likely more than one. You will find many people with your same vehicle and they can share the modifications they have done and the performance differences they achieved. Beware that some sites and some members are better or better qualified than others. But that way you can see what people have done and if it is something you feel is worth doing yourself. I would also be open to other modifications that you might see done to vehicles like yours. The cost factor may be an issue for you though.

Have you done any checks on your motor to ensure it is in good running order? Make sure that you don't need anything replaced that is stock would be my first thought. If it is not running at peak efficiency then you would want to fix that before attempting any modifications.

So the MPG issue is obvious but the power increase is not. Decide what you really want to happen and do some investigation and see if it is worth spending the money to achieve your goals. You might enjoy the websites dedicated to the vehicles you own for other reasons too. I own several vehicles and belong to at least one web site dedicated to those specific model cars and motorcycles and enjoy them.

Good luck with whatever you do.
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