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Initial post: Aug 16, 2012 9:18:02 PM PDT
G. Petersen says:
Said by Thomas Jefferson

"I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them." -- Thomas Jefferson

"My reading of history convinces me that most bad government results from too much government." -- Thomas Jefferson

"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson

"The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government."

-- Thomas Jefferson

"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." -- Thomas Jefferson

"To compel a man to subsidize with his taxes the propagation of ideas which he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical."

-- Thomas Jefferson

Thomas Jefferson said in 1802:

"I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies.

If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around the banks will deprive the people of all property - until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered



This is not taught in our Public Schools (any more)They dwell on his sex life and bastards. There are two parts. Be sure to read the 2nd part (in RED).

Thomas Jefferson was a very remarkable man who started learning very early in life and never stopped.

At 5, began studying under his cousin's tutor.

At 9, studied Latin, Greek and French.

At 14, studied classical literature and additional languages.

At 16, entered the College of William and Mary.

At 19, studied Law for 5 years starting under George Wythe.

At 23, started his own law practice.

At 25, was elected to the Virginia House of Burgesses.

At 31, wrote the widely circulated "Summary View of the Rights of British America” and retired from his law practice.

At 32, was a Dele gate to the Second Continental Congress.

At 33, wrote the Declaration of Independence.

At 33, took three years to revise Virginia 's legal code and wrote a Public Education bill and a statute for Religious Freedom.

At 36, was elected the second Governor of Virginia, succeeding Patrick Henry.

At 40, served in Congress for two years.

At 41, was the American minister to France , and negotiated commercial treaties with European nations along with Ben Franklin and John Adams.

At 46, served as the first Secretary of State under George Washington.

At 53, served as Vice President and was elected president of the American Philosophical Society.

At 55, drafted the Kentucky Resolutions, and became the active head of Republican Party.

At 57, was elected the third president of the United States .

At 60, obtained the Louisiana Purchase , doubling the nation's size.

At 61, was elected to a second term as President.

At 65, retired to Monticello .

At 80, helped President Monroe shape the Monroe Doctrine.

At 81, almost single-handedly created the University of Virginia, and served as its first president.

At 83, died on the 50th anniversary of the Signing of the Declaration of Independence, along with John Adams

Thomas Jefferson knew because he himself studied the previous failed attempts at government. He understood actual history, the nature of God, his laws and the nature of man. That happens to be way more than what most understand today. Jefferson really knew his stuff. A voice from the past to lead us in the future:

John F. Kennedy held a dinner in the white House for a group of the brightest minds in the nation at that time. He made this statement: "This is perhaps the assembly of the most intelligence ever to gather at one time in the White House with the exception of when Thomas Jefferson dined alone."

"When we get piled upon one another in large cities, as in Europe, we shall become as corrupt as Europe." -- Thomas Jefferson

"The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not."

-- Thomas Jefferson

"It is incumbent on every generation to pay its own debts as it goes. A principle which if acted on would save one-half the wars of the world."

-- Thomas Jefferson

"I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them." -- Thomas Jefferson

"My reading of history convinces me that most bad government results from too much government." -- Thomas Jefferson

"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson

"The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government."

-- Thomas Jefferson

"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." -- Thomas Jefferson

"To compel a man to subsidize with his taxes the propagation of ideas which he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical."

-- Thomas Jefferson

Thomas Jefferson said in 1802:

"I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies.

If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around the banks will deprive the people of all property - until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered."

Posted on Aug 18, 2012 5:01:53 AM PDT
Lientje says:
Jefferson was an intelligent man but he did not live in an urban or a global society. He would not be writing many of those same
things today.

Posted on Aug 23, 2012 6:14:49 AM PDT
Lientje says:
Do you know what else isn't being taught in the public schools, now or ever (except maybe Texas) - Obama was born in Kenya.

Posted on Aug 27, 2012 7:42:20 AM PDT
Last edited by the author on Feb 9, 2013 5:53:19 PM PST
Lientje says:
More on the subject of what is and is not taught in our public schools - at least when I was going to school, and ditto - my kids

Both quotes are from the introduction in Masters Of Deceit: The Story Of Communism In America And How To Fight It by Marc
Aronson.

"There are two ways to tell the story of America. Here's one: Yearning to be free, courageous individuals set out from England to the New World. From the Mayflower on, the spirit of this land has been that of liberty and personal effort. No longer needing to bow to kings or obey priests, Americans set out to
improve themselves and to show the world what a democracy, industry, and individual effort could achieve.......America is proof that capitalism works: every person seeking his own fortune, aiming to 'make it' can succeed."

Now here is the second way to describe our past [ most of which you would have to wait until you get to college to read about this in a school setting ]

"America was settled by racists who murdered Indians, enslaved Africans, and silenced women. Every time the poor or the enslaved tried to rise up, they were either shot at or imprisoned. Worse yet, through the aid of the media, and with the cooperation of Prosecutors, judges, and lawmakers, those heroes who fought for all Americans were called un-American. America's poor are kept docile by TV, games, and fast food; they are pigs at the trough, fed slop to keep them happy on the way to the slaughterhouse..... America is proof: in order for capitalists to get filthy rich, they must have a base of the divided, ignorant poor they can use. "

I have started reading this book because, while it sounds like a book on capitalism vs. communism, it is really a high school version of the life and times of J. Edgar Hoover, who was one of the scariest creatures on the political front in the last century. And those who speak of him and about him know many of the deep dark secrets of our recent past that does not speak well of the USA.

Posted on Nov 26, 2012 4:48:56 PM PST
Last edited by the author on Nov 26, 2012 4:49:30 PM PST
Lientje says:
For some reason J. Edgar Hoover seems to keep popping up in my life. Today, it was while reading a biography on Julia Child, for heaven's sake. Paul Child had been a member of the OSS for several years during the war years and beyond, and in the end, he came under suspicion too. He never was quite sure why but Julia thought it might have been because he made snide remarks about J. Edgar, and at other times so did Julia. He had been living in Germany at the time and was called back to Washington, where he was intensely grilled on everything including perhaps being a homosexual. He was going to be kicked out of the service, but he had friends in high places and managed to keep it.

The horrible stuff that went in on our country back then was not to be believed. Between Hoover and McCarthy, I'm not sure which was the more pathetic creature. Good riddance to both of them.

Posted on Nov 26, 2012 11:01:41 PM PST
And this has what to do with Barack Obama?

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 27, 2012 6:39:26 AM PST
C. Gonzales says:
First quote is misquoted it's actually: "if we can but prevent the government from wasting the labours of the people, under the pretence of taking care of them, they must become happy."

Second quote is a fake. It was never written or said by jefferson according to monticello
http://www.monticello.org/site/jefferson/bad-government-results-too-much-government-quotation

The next quote was from a draft of the virginia constitution and never made it into the virginia constitution in its final form.

The next quote is again something jefferson never said: http://www.monticello.org/site/jefferson/strongest-reason-people-tokeep-and-bear-armsquotation

Hey look you actually got one right in the next quote.

Actually you're misquoting him again it should be "To compel a man to furnish contributions of money for the propagation of opinions which he disbelieves and abhors, is sinful and tyrannical. "

The banks quote is also something jefferson never said:
http://www.monticello.org/site/jefferson/private-banks-quotation

Actually you misquoted the section about Europe. The full quote is the following and changes the context:
"I think our governments will remain virtuous for many centuries; as long as they are chiefly agricultural; and this will be as long as there shall be vacant lands in any part of America. When they get piled upon one another in large cities, as in Europe, they will become corrupt as in Europe."

The next quote was never written by Jefferson the first appearance of the quote was in 1986
http://www.monticello.org/site/jefferson/democracy-will-cease-to-exist-quotation

Hey look you actually got another one right

So lets see out of the many quotes you repeated and posted only 2 were correct the rest were spurious and were never uttered by Jefferson. There's a reason why they're not taught in schools because they were never written by Jefferson.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 28, 2012 3:06:12 PM PST
i am glad to know our schools got better

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 28, 2012 5:15:01 PM PST
I finished high school 51 years ago. I do not recall this kind of stuff being part of our curriculum. Why would kids study about guns? I recall studying the constitution and early US history as well as political science.

Posted on Jan 17, 2013 11:19:02 AM PST
Last edited by the author on Jan 17, 2013 11:23:00 AM PST
Lientje says:
Thomas Jefferson was a very remarkable man who started learning very early in life and never stopped.

- At 5, began studying under his cousin's tutor.
By 5 - Obama had been born in two different countries, and had two different dads. Also lived in Seattle
for a while. Said goodbye to one of his dad's, but had not yet met the other one, the commie one.

At 9, studied Latin, Greek and French.
By 5 - moved to Indonesia, and learning not only how to speak that language, but also how to eat dog without vomiting.

- At 14, studied classical literature and additional languages.
By 14 - he was back in Hawaii, living with his grandparents, schmoozing with his Communist father (yes, folks, he had two fathers one an American, and then there is that step dad who adopted him but didn't tell the gov't because little Obama/Soetero came back on his original passport.

At 16, entered the College of William and Mary.
By 16, he was firmly ensconced in the hoity toity Punahou college prep school in Honolulu (no public school for him), where he did OK in grades, had a lack luster basket ball career, took drugs, and generally was a nincompoop. (read here, he was black and he wasn't rich)

At 19, studied Law for 5 years starting under George Wythe.
By 19 - he was in California, at Occidental, on a Fulbright scholarship. Typically Fulbrighters are American students who get scholarships to universities in foreign countries. But back in 1981, there were people who were fuller of brightness than usual and they kind of had an inkling that this cute kid with his fluffy Afro would someday become President, so they made an exception and gave him one.

At 23, started his own law practice.
by age 23 - left Occidental College in California , spent time in Indonesia, Pakistan, and
India on a false passport and false Social Security numbers., made lots of friends with
Muslims who vowed to support him if and when he decided to overthrow the government
of the United States.

Later says he enrolled in Columbia Univ. studying in political science with a specialty
in international relations. His profs discouraged him, questioning his ability to
understand international relations with his limited experience. So he hid out and decided
to have no relations with anyone at all, except for a girl or two but that was probably just
to prove to himself - or the world - that he wasn't gay.

At 25, was elected to the Virginia House of Burgesses.
by age 25 he had worked in a couple of corporations, but figured he was making too much money, so he moved to Chicago
to take a pay cut and mix with the riff raff. In the end, it turns out to have been a brilliant decision. After all, look what
happened to Mitt with all his money. People don't trust other people with lots of money.

*****
Well, perhaps I will continue with this later. But right now I have to first concentrate on this marvelous You-tube presentation
I have had on for maybe 15 or 20 minutes now. And it is so good that I just want to go over to Youtube and watch as well as
listen to the wonderful, charismatic, intelligent, handsome Alex Jones. Not to be missed.

And then I have to go off to work.

Talk with you later.

Posted on Feb 3, 2013 2:31:41 PM PST
Last edited by the author on Feb 9, 2013 6:05:39 PM PST
Lientje says:
Hi, its me again.

- - -At 31, wrote the widely circulated "Summary View of the Rights of British America” and retired from his law practice.
By 31, Obama had become the first African (oops, African-American) president of the Harvard Law Review, and he graduated with a Juris Doctor magna cum laude, and Ayers begins to write Obama's autobiography called "Dreams of My Father" which would later be made into a documentary by some immoral twit call d'nish or something like that, which I will be watching just as soon as I finish the Sarah Palin thing with Julianne Moore playing her.

- - -At 32, was a Delegate to the Second Continental Congress.
at age 32, Obama moved to Chicago, married Michelle, taught Constitutional Law at the Univ of Chicago law school and becomes the director of Illinois Project Vote, which focused on registering minorities, proving once again that he was racist.

- - -At 33, wrote the Declaration of Independence, along with Ben Franklin, JOhn Adams, and two others.
At 33 Obama Dreams of my Father is finally released. I believe Ayers had been so busy writing his own book at the time that he just didn't have that much time to put into Obama's book. Meanwhile his mother died of cancer though she did have time to read the book before she died.

- - -At 36, was elected the second Governor of Virginia, succeeding Patrick Henry.
At 36 was running for the Illinois State Senate, which election he eventually wins. He ascends to the lofty status of Illinois Senator but since the Democrats at that time were not in power , his power was limited. OH, if only he could have been there when the Democrats were in their power and glory.

- - -At 40, served in Congress for two years.
at 37, Obama had become a first time father (that we know of) and was re-elected to the Senate. He was quite a piker compared to Jefferson who had six white children (though only two lived) and probably had more black children than Obama has had to date also. At age 40 he has his second daughter. He had also run for US Congress the year before but lost because he decided to visit his sick daughter in Hawaii than to attend to a vote on gun control legislation in the State.

- - -At 41, was the American minister to France , and negotiated commercial treaties with European nations along with Ben Franklin and John Adams.
at 41 Obama is again elected to the Illinois State Senate. And at 42, he runs for the US Senate. He wins because his rival is accused of wife abuse.

at 42 Obama wins the election because his Republican opposition, family values Jack Ryan is accused of a sex scandal and then he is replaced by Alan Keyes who is, well, Alan Keyes, and Obama wins. He also speaks at the DNC giving the keynote speech which puts him on the national map. He wins the November election by 70% of the vote from Illinois.

- - -At 46, served as the first Secretary of State under George Washington.
At 46, Obama announces his candidacy for President. And at age 47, he wins that election.

- - -At 53, served as Vice President and was elected president of the American Philosophical Society.
at 53 Obama - oops, he hasn't turned that old yet. Jefferson was quite the slowpoke.
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