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Initial post: Nov 23, 2010 3:48:28 PM PST
raindrops says:
Is it possible?

Posted on Nov 24, 2010 1:29:30 PM PST
All things are possible in the best of all possible worlds.

Posted on Nov 24, 2010 1:31:35 PM PST
Not only is it possible, it's easy.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 24, 2010 5:01:01 PM PST
Last edited by the author on Nov 24, 2010 5:01:28 PM PST
S. Friedman says:
Possible/easy -- as long it's taken at face value/literal.
Once people start saying that parts of it are stories, then the task becomes quite a bit more complicated.

Then again, the fact that no one can agree which parts are stories and which are real, combined with the fact that no one can agree on what the stories mean serves to debunk the whole thing as far as I'm concerned.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 25, 2010 12:32:36 AM PST
raindrops says:
Yeah, that's pretty much the direction I'm leaning in as well.

It would depend on what a person claims the bible to be as to whether or not it can actually be claimed to be 'debunked'.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 28, 2010 11:02:34 AM PST
SF
"Then again, the fact that no one can agree which parts are stories and which are real, combined with the fact that no one can agree on what the stories mean serves to debunk the whole thing as far as I'm concerned"

-- Same for me. But believers will always find some was to un-debunk it, in their opinion. This is normal, I suppose, in the context of faith.

Posted on Nov 29, 2010 4:20:56 AM PST
Last edited by the author on Nov 29, 2010 5:40:25 AM PST
raindrops says:
["Same for me. But believers will always find some was to un-debunk it, in their opinion. This is normal, I suppose, in the context of faith. "]
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But they can't un-debunk actual historical events that never happened despite the bible saying they did.

Then they'll just call names and go into hysterics while praying for your eternal torment in a lake of fire.

Posted on Nov 29, 2010 5:07:01 AM PST
Kevin M says:
What does debunk mean, and what exactly are you trying to debunk? Can one debunk experiences of others, and on what terms?

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 29, 2010 5:38:00 AM PST
Last edited by the author on Nov 29, 2010 5:39:27 AM PST
raindrops says:
{ What does debunk mean, and what exactly are you trying to debunk? Can one debunk experiences of others, and on what terms?"]
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Debunk would mean proving that something is not true.

There are quite a few Christians that state the bible is the 'inerrant word of god' and take its stories to be literal.

It's quite easy to debunk such a notion as many biblical stories are myth and are easily proven as such.

However, no, you can't really debunk someone's perceived experiences. You could probably debunk any miraculous explanation for such an experience (if such an experience even occurred) but people can convince themselves to believe anything if they're delusional enough.

Posted on Dec 4, 2010 11:50:40 AM PST
mrs exp says:
To whom it may concern,
What I don't understand is why people who don't believe that the Bible is the word of God, bother to come to forums like Bible, Theology, Christianity at all. Don't you have more interesting things to do?

Trying to tear down other peoples beliefs seem a little like tearing the wings of flies. The flies have done nothing to you and neither do Christians.
exp

Posted on Dec 4, 2010 1:20:48 PM PST
Where else would one go to "discuss" the Bible if not a Bible forum? Because it was written by man and because it contains literally thousands of references that invite investigation, study, reflection and discussion. If the Good Book can't stand up to a little scrutiny, then we're all in trouble! So, I say, let the discussion, de-bunking, disproving and disbelieving fly! Let's talk about it, folks! Amen.

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 4, 2010 1:35:30 PM PST
Trying to tear down other peoples beliefs seem a little like tearing the wings of flies. The flies have done nothing to you and neither do Christians.
exp
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Christians and flies...an unfortunate analogy....

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 4, 2010 6:48:42 PM PST
raindrops says:
["What I don't understand is why people who don't believe that the Bible is the word of God, bother to come to forums like Bible, Theology, Christianity at all. Don't you have more interesting things to do?"]
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Do you have to believe in Harry Potter to discuss the Sorcerer's Stone?

What an inane stretch of logic.

["Trying to tear down other peoples beliefs seem a little like tearing the wings of flies. The flies have done nothing to you and neither do Christians."]
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Some Christians attempt to tout their beliefs as fact and truth. This is a lie. Christians who do that lie to themselves and others.

Posted on Dec 4, 2010 11:32:42 PM PST
I think there've been two arguments going on here. Whether the stories of the Bible are true and can be proven (not so far) and whether or not it makes a darn bit of difference to Christians (not so much.)

IMHO, stories of the Bible are largely interpretive works and will always be relevent because they chronicle human nature. They prove absolutely that: BASIC HUMAN NATURE HAS NOT CHANGED ONE IOTA in over 2000 years. For every story that stretches the ability to suspend disbelief, there are way more that we can still relate to.

Though it's no historical document, and we now have the benefit of history to help give us that perspective; this knowledge will never topple the tenets of Christianity. If what's come to light about the Roman Catholic Church in the last few years didn't cause a revolt, nothing will. Saints and Aints present and future have centuries of sacrifices, crucifixions, crusades, baptismals, bloody battles, benedictions and...cool holidays...they're committed, there will be no turning back! Onward Christian soldiers, and all that good stuff!

So, at the end of the day, it's all driven by FAITH. The absolute belief in: a spiritual realm governed by a higher power that sustains and guides your immortal spirit through the short and often painful stay in this physical world; with doctrine laid out like a road map, ultimately leading it home.

Or, you can absolutely believe there is ONLY this physical world, in which basic common sense, kindness and decency are all the direction you need to navigate. Afterall, it's a short ride. Destination unknown.

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 5, 2010 2:25:59 AM PST
raindrops says:
["and whether or not it makes a darn bit of difference to Christians (not so much.)"]
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That subject has not really been broached to much of an extent but it is quite important in the grand scheme of things. The bible is myth. The religion is based on a myth. The religion is not true.

Fundamental Christians are notorious for sticking their heads in the sand and ignoring all the salient reasons why they have no idea what they're talking about. An exodus from fundamental Christianity seems to be in the works (seemingly since it began, what with all the different denominations and all).

Such fundamentalism has been and continues to be eroded by science and history. Such erosion will no doubt continue until everyone is forced to reconcile the fact that any one person's spirituality is solely that one persons.

Eventually, eventually, I think this will see all of Christianity crumble, much like the pantheons of Greek and Egyptian mythologies.

["So, at the end of the day, it's all driven by FAITH."]
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That's also part of the point.

The 'faith' is baseless.

["The absolute belief in: a spiritual realm governed by a higher power that sustains and guides your immortal spirit through the short and often painful stay in this physical world; with doctrine laid out like a road map, ultimately leading it home."]
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Again, there is NO reason to have such a belief. There is NOTHING in nature to suggest that. Such an idea comes only from the minds of men, and to take such ideas as truth based solely on what others say without ANY validation whatsoever is tantamount to unprecedented folly.

If any of the posters on this board were born in Saudi Arabia, they'd be arguing for Allah. Born in India and they'd likely be Hindu. Etc., etc.

Christianity as the majority know it is PURELY a byproduct of nurturing and upbringing. Religion is NOT innate; Christianity especially is NOT innate.

["Afterall, it's a short ride. Destination unknown. "]
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Except it's not. Destination = death and decay.

It's called the life cycle. Very natural thing. No god needed for any of it.

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 5, 2010 8:37:00 AM PST
Last edited by the author on Dec 5, 2010 8:40:19 AM PST
"The flies have done nothing to you and neither do Christians."

-- For the most part, true. For my part, I have very good friends who are Christians and whom I love (and they love me despite I am an atheist). Nonetheless, some brands of Christians (e.g. fundamentalists, young-earthers, etc.) are playing havoc on way too many things and if they are not doing bad things to me personally, they are doing very bad things to society all the same. To propagate lies and ignorance to ill-informed people is hardly a good thing, is it?

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 5, 2010 8:44:18 AM PST
JZee
"Eventually, eventually, I think this will see all of Christianity crumble, much like the pantheons of Greek and Egyptian mythologies."
-- Of course it will. I hope nobody really thinks Christianity will be around in 4000 or 6000 years... But I guess some religion will be around all the same, because we have all Pleistocene brains, and, so far as I can see, we have no way to get an updated model very soon.

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 5, 2010 1:28:38 PM PST
>>The flies have done nothing to you.....<<

Flies are dirty disease carrying creatures that I kill whenever I get the chance.

Ask the lord of flies.

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 5, 2010 3:57:52 PM PST
mrs exp says:
StoryGirl88,
The title of this thread is not investigation, study, reflection or discussion but debunking. And I haven't seen a single intelligent statement from any one so far. Just 'it's not true,', 'believers will un-debunk at least they think' type of statements.

So again I ask why do people who do not believe in the Bible come to these forums. The answer is obvious to call Christians stupid, gulible, irrational and dupped.
exp

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 5, 2010 4:00:18 PM PST
mrs exp says:
JZee,
You just made my point that the only reason that you come is to claim that believers are illogical and to call Christianity a lie. Very ungracious.
exp

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 5, 2010 4:06:34 PM PST
>>..... believers are illogical and to call Christianity a lie.<<

I don't know that JZee has said this directly but if he has, I agree with him.

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 5, 2010 4:15:53 PM PST
Last edited by the author on Dec 5, 2010 4:16:33 PM PST
raindrops says:
["You just made my point that the only reason that you come is to claim that believers are illogical and to call Christianity a lie. Very ungracious."]
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Christians assert the bible is 'truth, fact, and the word of god'. If they're going to make outlandish claims they must validate them.

I seek such validation. Not a single Christian on these forums (or seemingly anywhere), however, is able to validate anything they say. Instead they, like you, delve off into one tangent after another before resorting to dishonest tactics and name-calling (for some).

It's quite simple, Experienced. Prove a single thing you believe and I'll have nothing to talk about.

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 5, 2010 4:18:23 PM PST
Last edited by the author on Dec 5, 2010 4:20:20 PM PST
raindrops says:
["And I haven't seen a single intelligent statement from any one so far."]
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Don't worry mate, we'll get to the mud men, half-breed spawn giving rise to global floods, and dead men rising bits at some point.

Would that be intelligent enough for you?

["So again I ask why do people who do not believe in the Bible come to these forums. "]
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And again, I say:

"Do you have to believe in Harry Potter to discuss the Sorcerer's Stone?

What an inane stretch of logic."

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In reply to an earlier post on Dec 6, 2010 2:41:25 AM PST
Last edited by the author on Dec 6, 2010 2:41:46 AM PST
To Experienced:
As already told, I personally don't claim believers are illogical. I know a great many of them who are quite logical. Simply, their premises are not like mine. This is not a problem. However, believers of various particular brands become *quite* illogical when they refuse to acknowledge the (many times validated) data collected by science, while at the same time reaping all the benefits of science (medicine, aeronautics, physics, whatever). This is, at best, illogical, at worst, pure hypocrisy.
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