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Initial post: Sep 11, 2011 12:51:07 AM PDT
I bought the 3D setup to enjoy the added excitement of video. However, I only own four 3D Movies and I am not going to buy anymore until prices come down. Stop with the four & five disc packages to justify ripping the consumer off. Get the 3D movies under $20 or you may see the 3D fad "Die on the Vine" within the next year of two.

Posted on Sep 11, 2011 4:15:37 AM PDT
MikeT says:
I think 3D for movies will die regardless, even if 3D BD versions are sold at $10 each. But I'd also guess the timeline to it's demise is beyond your two year estimate. There are simply too many restrictions and usage limitations to 3D to stick around long term.

In reply to an earlier post on Sep 11, 2011 7:01:20 AM PDT
Last edited by the author on Sep 11, 2011 7:02:46 AM PDT
Getting 3D blu-ray movies under $20 defeats the whole purpose of movie studios trying to make higher margins. The problem (for movie studios) is that a decent home video set-up with a good HDTV and surround sound system is much more affordable now days, so with movie theater attendance dropping, the movie studios had to come up with a gimmick to get more people into the theater (and of course make more money on home video with 3D blu-rays). I think 3D is crap. I went to two 3D movies in the theater and found out that spending more money on a ticket for crappy pop-up effects that make the picture darker and shows less detail is not for me. The sooner 3D dies, the better.

Posted on Sep 11, 2011 7:56:10 AM PDT
Alchemist5 says:
3D will probably stick around, but all the 3D TV's out today are, as far as I'm concerned, unfinished technology. There's no way it'll catch on with mainstream consumers until they get rid of the need for $100 glasses for each person who wants to watch.

Like it or not, 3D is the future. Only question now is how long it'll take to perfect it, and thus put it into the mainstream.

In reply to an earlier post on Sep 11, 2011 1:58:16 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on Sep 12, 2011 11:44:47 AM PDT
Walking Tall says:
Didn't you realize the high cost of 3D blu-rays before you've decided to upgrade your system to 3D? 3D blu-rays cost approximately $10.00 dollars more, than the 2D releases. It appears that you have rushed buying into a technology, that you couldn't afford. Many early adopters of 3D, are experiencing this dilemma. Currently, 3D is a niche market, and most certainly, a gimmick! You should have waited before you've took the plunge, because 3D may, or may not survive.

Posted on Sep 12, 2011 6:50:46 AM PDT
They need some form of passive 3D technology for home use. If RealD 3D, for example, can work so well in a movie theater, why do we need active shutter glasses for home use? Can't polarized glasses work too?

In reply to an earlier post on Sep 12, 2011 7:13:24 AM PDT
Alchemist5 says:
I was under the impression that movie theatres 3D used some kind of dual projector- type setup. two lenses projecting the movie, instead of one. With a television, that wouldn't be possible, because your television can't project two images the same way a projector could.

In reply to an earlier post on Sep 12, 2011 8:15:35 AM PDT
Actually LG has produced a tv that uses passive technology using polarized glasses. Haven't followed how well that technology is working or being received yet.

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Posted on Sep 12, 2011 9:01:26 AM PDT
Spirit says:
The higher cost of 3d movies is blamed on production costs....3d movies are more expensive to make. Since when is the cost of production involved in a price hike? I'm assuming 3d movie discs are made the same way as 2d discs. Do movie theaters have their hand in the production of 3d movies? No? Then why the price hike? 3d is just an excuse to raise prices all across the board.

I go to a 3d movie. I buy the glasses. Why do I have to buy another pair for the next 3d movie? Did I not just buy a pair for the previous movie last week? Did I rent those glasses? No I didn't but the theater is apparently leasing them, not selling them and the lease is only good from day to day. I'm so sick of this 3d crap.

Posted on Sep 12, 2011 9:25:39 AM PDT
I don't support 3D at the theater, and will not at home either.

IF there is a multi disc pack, and the only way to get it is with the 3D disc, I'll pass. I can usually find someone who bought it, and just offer to buy the non 3D content from them. At a discount, b/c all that person usually wanted was the 3D disc.

Posted on Sep 12, 2011 10:00:17 AM PDT
L. Adkins says:
We have a Mitsubishi 3D television and it's amazing! We also have Directv and they carry 3 24hr 3D channels and one additional 3D pay-per-view movie channel. I think it's like any other format: you have some horrible material and then you have some material that is so sharp and amazing, it will take your breath away. Having my daughters laugh out loud and move around the 3D graphics is worth the extra cost. Alice in Wonderland, A Christmas Carol, and the 3D content on Direct have us solidly sold!

Posted on Sep 12, 2011 10:17:11 AM PDT
Last edited by the author on Sep 12, 2011 11:29:54 AM PDT
Walking Tall says:
Spirit says:

The higher cost of 3d movies is blamed on production costs....3d movies are more expensive to make. Since when is the cost of production involved in a price hike? I'm assuming 3d movie discs are made the same way as 2d discs. Do movie theaters have their hand in the production of 3d movies? No? Then why the price hike? 3d is just an excuse to raise prices all across the board.

I go to a 3d movie. I buy the glasses. Why do I have to buy another pair for the next 3d movie? Did I not just buy a pair for the previous movie last week? Did I rent those glasses? No I didn't but the theater is apparently leasing them, not selling them and the lease is only good from day to day. I'm so sick of this 3d crap.
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WT says:

Anything that's 3D compliant, will cost the consumers extra! Now, the studios are beginning to re-release catalog titles theatrically in 3D to capitalize, and profit from this 3D fad as much as possible, enabling them to charge $3.00 more for the admission ... It's all about the money!

Posted on Sep 12, 2011 10:54:12 AM PDT
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Spirit says:
I dont recall any group lobbying for more 3d movies. The movie industry decided 3d is what we want, if we really wanted it or not. Its their plan to excuse higher prices on tickets and dvds / blu-ray. Streaming is becoming more popular and theater owners / disc manufacturers are afraid of it.

There have been many 3d movies before the year 2000. 3d technology is not new. Why is it so big now? The movie industry is making sure its big now to save their bottom line.

In reply to an earlier post on Sep 12, 2011 11:21:21 AM PDT
Last edited by the author on Sep 12, 2011 11:22:34 AM PDT
While it doesn't bother me personally that manufacturers are building 3D capability into current HDTV's and BD players, I have no interest in the technology in its current state.

I agree that studios are pushing the tech on consumers to inflate their margins yet the technology itself does little (if anything) to enhance the home theater experience. In fact, for me the current active shutter 3D tech makes it difficult to get involved in a story because the effect is very distracting. (Note: I'm not judging others who enjoy 3D)

Posted on Sep 13, 2011 5:23:44 PM PDT
Horrorluvr says:
3D is here to stay, period! For my budget right now, it is out of the question for my home theater. A lot of people say 3D is dying and I can tell you that they are not looking at hollywoods future trailers. A ton of films are going to be 3D even with the recent 3D "flops".

Posted on Sep 14, 2011 3:43:15 AM PDT
MikeT says:
There are many future trailers for 3D because they are trying to push the concept. That has nothing to do with whether 3D will ultimately succeed. There were lots of promotions for LaserDisc and HD-DVD yet both are extinct.

In reply to an earlier post on Sep 14, 2011 7:02:26 AM PDT
Sloopydrew says:
The LG using passive glasses look TERRIBLE. The 3D is awful and you have to be directly in front of the TV and within 8 feet from the set, but no closer than 6 feet for it to even work at all. Active shutter -- in the theater and on television -- is the best 3D out there right now. The only downside to active shutter is the price of the glasses, and they have dropped significantly (my friend just bought a 3DTV and his active shutter glasses were only $24 a piece).

In reply to an earlier post on Sep 14, 2011 7:27:25 AM PDT
WolfPup says:
I don't think the price matters, it's just that most people don't care about so-called "3D". It's less immersive, ironically looks LESS 3D, (it's just a bunch of flat cardboard cut outs stuck in front of each other), and a huge percent of people have health effects from using it. This is at least the fourth time they've tried to shove "3D" on us, and it's already fading away like it did the first 3 (or more?) times.

Good riddance.

Posted on Sep 14, 2011 8:40:22 AM PDT
Last edited by the author on Sep 14, 2011 8:41:40 AM PDT
turkish says:
back in the day people said color television was going to die as well because it was too expensive, and no one cared about it. at the time, they said DVD was going to die like laser disc, they also said blu was going to fail against dvd. same goes for Dolby Digital home theater sound. but the thing is they stay, because industry got those just right. I have a feeling studios will get 3D right as well. 3D didnt pick up for home viewing before because there was no way to experience it other than those red, blue glasse, which I didnt think ever worked to begin with. right now the technology works at a level thats good enough for customers to consider purchasing 3D tv's. passive tv sets with cheap glasses are already out, and they already invented tv sets which work glassless. yes the glassless Prototypes dont work as well as they should yet, but it would be a very short sighted view to think they will never invent that television which works perfect 3D from all viewing angles. you will see in 5 to 10 years of time, 3D will become just a standard option like Dolby, and color.

In reply to an earlier post on Sep 14, 2011 8:51:51 AM PDT
WolfPup says:
<<<turkish says:
back in the day people said color television was going to die as well because it was too expensive>>>

No one said that, and "3D" predates color TV, and color TV was a clear upgrade, while "3D" is a gimmick that degrades immersion and picture quality.

<<<and no one cared about it.>>>

Of course they did. Everyone wanted it, it was just an issue of price and waiting for older sets to die, etc.

<<<at the time, they said DVD was going to die like laser disc>>>

No one thought that. DVD and Blu Ray were both logical, well supported replacements for the previous format.

<<<but it would be a very short sighted view to think they will never invent that television which works perfect 3D from all viewing angles.>>>

Even if it worked perfectly, the end result is a faker looking image.

In reply to an earlier post on Sep 14, 2011 9:12:42 AM PDT
Wolfpup,

Turkish was so right about just about everything. Either you truly are a pup or you have a horrible memory. The only mistake that turkish made is that Laserdisc did not die until after dvd came out, so they could not say anything about the death of Laserdisc at that time. I still own several dvd/laserdisc combo players.

In reply to an earlier post on Sep 14, 2011 9:28:22 AM PDT
WolfPup says:
Horrible memory? Turkish just made things up, and tried to make a false analogy to other technologies. People wanted color, and it was a clear upgrade. Same for higher resolutions and the like. Having things look faker and like card board cut outs isn't an upgrade, even if all the other problems with it could somehow be fixed.

In reply to an earlier post on Sep 14, 2011 9:35:32 AM PDT
Last edited by the author on Sep 14, 2011 9:38:04 AM PDT
turkish says:
calm your senses down dude. taking it way too seriously I see. I know people didnt care about color tv, or they at least acted like they didn't because I know bunch of old timers who simply didnt buy color tv's way into its inception, thinking they didn't need it. it's just my opinion that 3D will become a norm, some movies might look like people are cutout boards, but that changes rapidly as technology moves forward and gets stabilised. I watched Transformers 3D and it was pretty much in your face, I didn't see any cutout boards there for sure. 3D will become a standard option on all television sets in 3, 4 years of time. write it down and remember my name when it happens, you wont even be able to avoid buying 3D television when its time to replace the old one, because it will be everywhere. content as well, netflix, hulu, probably ipad will have 3D screen in a couple of years, even your cellphone will have glassless 3D interface. just wait and see.

In reply to an earlier post on Sep 14, 2011 9:38:06 AM PDT
WolfPup says:
<<<turkish says:
calm your senses down dude.>>>

Huh?

<<<taking it way too seriously I see.>>>

Huh?

<<<I know people didnt care about color tv, or they at least acted like they didn't because I know bunch of old timers who simply didnt buy color tv's way into its inception, thinking they didn't need it.>>>

Color was quite obviously an upgrade to just about anyone. Whether they thought they needed it right away is a different issue.

<<<it's just my opinion that 3D will become a norm, a standard option on all television sets in 3, 4 years of time.>>>

Whether it becomes a standard feature is irrelevant. It's almost free to implement, so I wouldn't doubt that. The point is it won't be used, any more than the first 3 (or more?) times this was shoved down our throats.

In reply to an earlier post on Sep 14, 2011 9:47:52 AM PDT
Last edited by the author on Sep 14, 2011 9:52:04 AM PDT
turkish says:
""The point is it won't be used, any more than the first 3 (or more?) times this was shoved down our throats.""

thats your opinion, and well see how it turns out. theres a big chance that developers will bring 3D image to perfection, to the point where 2D will become invalid. it will come to the point that you wont even have the option not using 3D because it will be the default setting. say in 2020. sure you will have the option to watch Godfather in 2D but believe that Terminator 8 will air in 3D on your local HBO no matter what. I dont think color movies looked that great at first either. these things take time to be brought to perfection. I think 3D is the next logical step in home entertainment. they are already producing 3D capable webcams and all. Optoma, and JVC announced their first 1080P full 3D capable projector sets. I say just wait and see. this is my opinion. we could dig this tread up in 4 years if you like and continue the debate.
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