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Cyndi Lauper: Blueswoman / What's this world coming to?

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Initial post: Jun 14, 2010 9:50:45 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on Jun 17, 2010 11:56:52 AM PDT
M. J. Gawlik says:
No, no, no, this just ain't gonna fly. First she's with Charlie
Musselwhite (hard up for work, Charlie?) on "Celebrity Apprentice"
and I just finished watching her murder "Early In The Morning"
with Allen Toussaint on the Letterman show.

Another case of someone trying to boost a sagging career? When
do we get the duet with B.B. King? She's already got Jonny Lang
on her new disc "Memphis Blues". Taking on Tracy Nelson's "Down
So Low"? Forgetaboutit.

Who's gonna step up and defend this one?

Posted on Jun 15, 2010 6:53:09 AM PDT
Last edited by the author on Jun 15, 2010 6:54:15 AM PDT
D. Smith says:
There is a duet with B.B.King..he is on her new CD..with Allen Toussaint on "Early In The Morning"..guess B.B. has been waiting all these years to sing with her.
I never understood why all these pop people do blues recordings..most blues artist aren't making a ton of cash and when a blues artist wants to try a crossover type record they are accused of selling
I'm sure Cyndi will be headlining Blues Festivals all summer..oh my!!
Wonder why Buddy Guy wasn't on it..maybe doing a blues record with Boy George :)

Posted on Jun 15, 2010 9:40:23 AM PDT
Last edited by the author on Jun 15, 2010 9:41:29 AM PDT
M. J. Gawlik says:
As I mentioned, Toussaint was with her on Letterman. Everyone sounded good except for Lauper. Her voice is best saved for the pop music she does, and does some of it quite well. I sampled the cd on Amazon and was impressed by none of it.

The subject of crossovers was another topic we went over a while back. Some do a credible job, some don't. Paul Rodgers of Bad Company does a goood job and I think Pat Benatar really hit it with her "True Love" disc. Jimmy Hall (Wet Willie) walks the line between rock, blues and countrified rock very well. I mentioned before
that I thought Tom Jones did a sweet job with Jeff Beck in the Scorcese documentary. I think Lauper's was an ill-advised move.

Posted on Jun 15, 2010 2:06:19 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on Jun 15, 2010 4:51:36 PM PDT
D. Smith says:
I have that True Love CD and agree it is very good..another one i like a lot is "Come on Home" by Boz Scaggs..a good collection of blues and r&b.
Jimmy Hall has one i really love..he did it with Greg Martin of the Kentucky Headhunters a few years ago..they call themselves The Mighty Jeremiahs..a great mix of blues,gospel,soul and rock.

Posted on Jun 15, 2010 4:48:39 PM PDT
P. Jarosz says:
Well, this ranks somewhere near Madonna getting into the Rock 'n Roll Hall of Fame. Madonna Rock?? Cyndi Blues? The world is upside down. I am waiting for Paris Hilton to announce an upcoming Opera cd and Brittany to attempt Speed Metal.

Posted on Jun 16, 2010 7:54:36 AM PDT
Sounds pretty good to me. Frankly, I think you're all being musical snobs. Lauper is a versatile singer. I understand the need to pigeonhole artists, but Cyndi is not just a popster (which anyone who listened to her entire oeuvre would know).

Doing both "Down So Low" and "Mother Earth" is a tribute to a great singer (Tracy Nelson), who--as indicated by my recent thread below--can probably use the royalties at this point. On her own website, Tracy said she was honored, and I believe her. If she's unhappy about something she's pretty plainspoken, or (in cases where another artist is involved), she says nothing at all. Her silence on Diamanda Galas' avant-garde-sy rendition of "Down So Low" was pretty deafening.

Lauper is a year younger than I am--she's really a child of the '60s more than the '80s. We were all about eclecticism back then, and Lauper remains so. She's continued to explore whatever territory she felt like (without worrying about what purists might have to say). Her earliest work with Blue Angel verged on rockabilly: she's done the standards thing. And unlike Madonna, she is an actual SINGER with a multi-octave range and considerable power when she chooses to unleash it).

On other threads and other sites, I see some of her "fans" are as upset as you guys, but for the opposite reason. Well, I'm with Cyndi on this: artists need the freedom to go where they want to go WHEN they feel the time is right for them. Anybody who doesn't like it can sit it out, which I'm sure you all intend to do.

Just as with the blues-rock of the '60s and '70s, this will likely serve as an introduction to the blues genre for a lot of people. Whether blues snobs believe it or not, that's a good thing.

Posted on Jun 16, 2010 1:20:37 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on Jun 17, 2010 11:59:03 AM PDT
M. J. Gawlik says:
Enough with the name calling already. Cyndi Lauper's poor excuse for a blues recording is not our fault. I feel she's done fine work and some cheesey work. This recording does not show her at her best. I agree that artists need the freedom to expand their horizon's, even if they should fail at an attempt.

Before you start filling Tracy Nelson's bank account, send some to the family of Memphis Slim, the author of "Mother Earth".

"Oeuvre"? Oh my!

Posted on Jun 16, 2010 1:23:53 PM PDT
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In reply to an earlier post on Jun 16, 2010 1:46:57 PM PDT
Neither of us has heard it, and if you're capable of making a definitive judgment based on 30 sec audioclips, then my hat's off to you. I never could. I need to listen to entire records--and usually, more than once.

Yes, I know who wrote "Mother Earth," although I imagine that Cyndi, like many of us, first heard the song as performed by Tracy and Mother Earth. The fact that "Down So Low" and "Mother Earth" appear back-to-back on the CD suggests as much. Admittedly, I should have been clearer that any royalties Tracy receives will be solely from Cyndi's take on "Down So Low"--and would hope that, in the intervening years, CL--like most of us--has had a chance to take in and appreciate the original Memphis Slim version as well.

Not having heard the full version of "DSL," I can't say for sure, but I can say that my impression is that Cyndi's voice is probably better suited for the track than, say, Linda Rondstadt's. Lots of folks love Linda's take on that tune, but I've always found it a bit too pretty for my tastes. And a bit simpering, to be honest. The song is a testament to the narrator's strength, and I would hope CL's version captures at least some of that.

Nothing wrong with a good ol' American word like "oeuvre." And nothing all that wrong, in my book, about referring to people as "snobs." Most of us are snobs about something or other.

Posted on Jun 16, 2010 4:16:17 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on Jun 16, 2010 4:17:55 PM PDT
M. J. Gawlik says:
Remove your hat because I'm quite capable. I have, of course, changed my mind but in this case it won't happen.

Yes, if you're going to lecture the class please be clear.

I'm old enough to remember Joan Baez being criticized for having too pretty of a voice. She couldn't possibly sound "authentic" with a voice like that. Ronstadt and Baez both have proven themselves. You want to take me to task for taking Lauper lightly, how are your feelings of Ronstadt any different? I haven't heard LR's version of "Down So Low", but I'm sure I'd feel the same as I do for Lauper's. Some artists "own" a particular song, and that's the case with Nelson's "Down So Low". Leave it alone people, you can't do it justice.

I prefer not to be lumped in with "most of us"or "you people". I'm opinionated but not a snob, so I don't care to be on the receiving end of your potshots. There've been manytimes I've wanted to call them as I see them but have refrained. There's no place for
that here. Care to talk music, I'm down for that.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 16, 2010 6:03:49 PM PDT
Well, MJ, I have a lot of respect for Linda Ronstadt actually, and while I don't think her voice is ideally suited for "Down So Low" (or any number of other songs she's tackled over the years), I don't see that anything I wrote below about her version amounted to an actual put-down. I didn't say, in effect, "The world is upside down," because Linda assayed Tracy's song. In fact, the song is interesting done by her, just not to my taste.

And I attempted to explain why. From the snippet I've heard of Cyndi's I would say that she's exhibiting a bit of the grit that Etta James gave it on her own take of the song., and that sounds (potentially) interesting to me. I'm gonna give it a chance anyway.

I would honestly ask you to take a look at the name of your own thread and the sarcasm that it positively drips and then explain to me how a. you're NOT calling it as you see it, b. you're really being "down " for an actual discussion. Hard to discuss anything with someone who's being dismissive out of hand. You asked if someone might "defend this one," as though the very notion were absurd. I don't see that as an invitation for open discussion: more of a rhetorical flourish that suggests that anyone with a different take is just plain ridiculous.

The use of "most of us" in my last posting was hardly negative, but I admit it may not apply to you personally. Perhaps "many of us" or simply "many people" (or to belabor the point, "many young peope in the 60s and 70s") heard Mother Earth's "Mother Earth" and that led them to check out Memphis Slim. Just as a lot of people learned about Robert Johnson via Cream (although the different versions of "Crossroads" are night and day). Obviously I can't know the circumstances of every single individual. You may have been raised in a household where Delta and/or Chicago blues was on the turntable every day.

It may make for less attention grabbing threads, but if you don't like potshots, how about refraining from them? Or are potshots at a target like Charlie Musselwhite or Allen Toussaint ok because those guys are not likely to ever read 'em?

Posted on Jun 16, 2010 7:47:59 PM PDT
P. Jarosz says:
Gregor, Life is too short. It's not worth getting your blood pressure up defending Cyndi's honor although that's your right. We're just having a little fun since it appears a bit silly to us. And perhaps you are right, and it will turn out to be ground-breaking-grammy-winning-earth-shattering-come-back for Cyndi and she begins to fill arenas across the world during her blues concert tour. We'll all glady eat some crow and salute you as the master of your domain. My favorites are Michael Bloomfield, Robben Ford, and Ronnie Earl. If Robben or Ronnie decide to do a Cyndi Lauper tribute album, I won't mind if you have some fun and create the same blog.

Posted on Jun 16, 2010 8:46:58 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on Jun 16, 2010 8:47:58 PM PDT
M. J. Gawlik says:
Wow, I just heard the new blues cd by Cyndi Lauper. I didn't know she had it in her. She sure has surprised the hell out of me. She's certainly grown as an artist and we're, or most of us, are the better for it. Fortunately, Charlie Musselwhite, Allen Toussaint, B.B. King and Jonny Lang saw something in Cyndi and added their talents to a truly
heartfelt tribute to the blues. If nothing else, Ms. Lauper should be commended for, in a way, helping Tracy Nelson in her time of misfortune.

People, give up all pre-conceived notions of what you thought this cd might be and judge it solely on its merits. I know I certainly will.

Posted on Jun 16, 2010 8:53:37 PM PDT
P. Jarosz says:
Well, I better fire up the barbie so I can start grilling some crow.... I usually like mine medium-rare with a nice deep Australian Shiraz to wash it down.

Posted on Jun 16, 2010 9:56:56 PM PDT
M. J. Gawlik says:
Hey, don't be a wiseguy, Jarosz.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 17, 2010 6:29:03 AM PDT
Last edited by the author on Jun 17, 2010 6:42:29 AM PDT
Glen Kepic says:
Nice post MJ,,,my wife came home with She's So Unusual just before it was a hit (she heard it at a store in the mall), and we all really liked it,,,got True Colors somewhere around here as well...really had no inclination to check out this Blues release. I'm interested now, however.

Posted on Jun 17, 2010 6:34:05 AM PDT
I love it when an artist branches out and tries something different. I love Cyndi Lauper's voice and I can't imagine anything she would sing wouldn't be good...looking forward to giving it a listen when its out.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 17, 2010 7:07:33 AM PDT
You are a sly one, MJ. I'll grant you that.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 17, 2010 11:55:55 AM PDT
M. J. Gawlik says:
Glen, I hope you saw my opening shot along with the glowing

Nancy, please, even the great ones don't always hit on eight
cylinders. Cyndi Lauper is no exception, but then, many hard core
fans accept everything, good or mediocre.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 18, 2010 6:23:23 AM PDT
Glen Kepic says:
I did, MJ...i was following the whole discussion.
I liked P. Jarosz comment about the Robben Ford CL Tribute album...that made me laugh (i'm also a RF fan).
Didn't Miles do a cover of Cyndi's "Time After Time"? Seem to recall him winning a Grammy for this, but ii'm not sure.

Posted on Jun 18, 2010 1:13:11 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on Jun 22, 2010 9:14:09 AM PDT
M. J. Gawlik says:
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Posted on Jun 18, 2010 5:43:33 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on Jun 18, 2010 6:14:37 PM PDT
Glen Kepic says:
Whoa, MJ,,,i think the gal after me posted the "trying new things" bit... I didn't see the Letterman thing (not a fan, plus he's on past my bedtime) and i haven't even looked at the amazon offering for Cyndi's new album.

But one good thing did result from all this...i gotta check for a used offering of Robben Ford's 'Handful Of Blues'. Someone requested The Animals "Please Don't Let Me Be Misunderstood" on the radio station we listen to at work (love the song, myself) and i know this track is on the RF Blue Line album,,,so between that and PJ's comment, its all good. found one Cali,,,$6.87 del...sweeet.

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Posted on Jun 18, 2010 7:10:37 PM PDT
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