L. Turner said: ""Your" "explaining" "includes" "extra" "non-Biblical" "revelation" not found in Scripture."
Jeff's reply: It has mostly included many Biblical verses, which you always seem to ignore.
L. Turner said: "James assumes that the person is actually saved."
Jeff's reply: I'm curious how you come to that conclusion. What does `justified' mean to you? I always thought it meant that the person was in a righteous or `saved' state. That would mean that if a person is justified by good works and not `faith only', that she/he cannot be saved without doing more than just professing faith.
L. Turner said: "Many people who have "another gospel" do many good works, or so they would like to believe them to be. How many good works does it take? If you even answer the question, it only proves that christ was not enough."
Jeff's reply: It takes doing as Christ commands. Are you saying that if I strive to do as Christ commands, that I am showing that I have no faith in Him?
Just to clarify what we believe; we believe that grace is divine assistance. That means that when Christ commands us to do something, we must choose to do it and He will help us. This still means that we cannot save ourselves; it can only be done with the assistance of Christ.
A good example of our view is the case of a bunch of people stranded in the middle of the ocean surrounded by sharks and on the verge of drowning. Christ flies by in a helicopter and throws them a lifeline. He asks them to tie the lifeline to themselves and He will pull them out of the water to save them. Tying the lifeline to themselves is a work and is a necessary step to being saved. After they are saved, they cannot claim that they saved themselves, but they can say that they wanted to be saved enough to do something about it. Those that do not grab the lifeline and tie it to themselves and drown are those that do not have sufficient faith in Jesus Christ to do as he asks.
My impression of your view of salvation is where you have the same group of people, but in this case they are all unconscious (they have no free will). Christ shows up in the helicopter and randomly picks a few people to save, but leaves the rest to drown or be eaten by sharks. I have an extremely hard time accepting this view of salvation. If I am wrong, I would like you to clarify how I have misinterpreted your views.
L. Turner said: "I'm not impressed with the Mormons view of of Revelation 22:18-19."
Jeff's reply: That is the majority view of almost all educated Christians. You are making the mistake of learning your views from anti-Mormon's. They tend to distort Christian doctrines to make Mormonism look as bad as possible. I would suggest reading commentaries from respected Christians that are focused on understanding the truth instead of trying to tear down other religions.
L. Turner said: "Your efforts to proselytize in this forum is not working well. Perhaps you should find a peer friend and hit the streets on your 10 speeds. There's got to be a few human slates out there that have not been swayed already by the known Word of God, the Bible. Happy trails."
Jeff's reply: I am simply defending my faith from people intent on misrepresenting or distorting our doctrines. I have no allusions of converting you to our faith.
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