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Initial post: Dec 27, 2010 5:50:22 PM PST
waywords says:
Why does amazon list Mormon artists under the category of Christian? the last time I checked, they don't believe Jesus is the Son of God--sort of a prerequisite to be Christian. They'd probably fit better under "Spirituality" or "New Age."

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 27, 2010 6:16:17 PM PST
Whatever. Google "the first Article of Faith" for clarification. They DO believe that Jesus is the Son of God.

Posted on Dec 27, 2010 6:49:18 PM PST
Indeed, 3 of the first 4 articles of faith reference our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.

1We believe in God, the Eternal Father, and in His Son, Jesus Christ, and in the Holy Ghost.
2We believe that men will be punished for their own sins, and not for Adam's transgression.
3We believe that through the Atonement of Christ, all mankind may be saved, by obedience to the laws and ordinances of the Gospel.
4We believe that the first principles and ordinances of the Gospel are: first, Faith in the Lord Jesus Christ; second, Repentance; third, Baptism by immersion for the remission of sins; fourth, Laying on of hands for the gift of the Holy Ghost.
http://lds.org/scriptures/pgp/a-of-f/1?lang=eng#

You need to be VERY careful what you hear about LDS, lots of vicious rumors out there. For info straight from the horses mouth....surf over to lds.org

also read: http://classic.lds.org/ldsorg/v/index.jsp?locale=0&sourceId=735b862384d20110VgnVCM100000176f620a____&vgnextoid=e1fa5f74db46c010VgnVCM1000004d82620aRCRD

Yours in Christ, Brother Niv

radio.lds.org

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 27, 2010 9:03:23 PM PST
Please don't drag your narrow-mindedness into a discussion of music.

Posted on Dec 27, 2010 11:50:50 PM PST
History Geek says:
I understand Mormons believe that Jesus is the Son of God, but don't they believe that Satan is also God's son, Jesus' brother? I have read most of the Book of Mormon and Pearl of Great Price and find it very contrary to the Bible.

Posted on Dec 28, 2010 1:03:37 PM PST
Question is what Jesus do they believe in? Not the one from Christianity.

Posted on Dec 28, 2010 1:13:30 PM PST
Pardon the intrusion, rather then ask/answer questions here, there is a very obvious place in the Christianity forum to post.

Yours in Christ, Brother Niv

JesusChrist.lds.org

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 28, 2010 2:11:50 PM PST
Last edited by the author on Dec 28, 2010 3:53:37 PM PST
Mr. Krinkle says:
Jesus4Real says:
Why does amazon list Mormon artists under the category of Christian? the last time I checked, they don't believe Jesus is the Son of God--sort of a prerequisite to be Christian.

SH: This leads me to believe that you in fact have never actually "checked" and makes me wonder if you live your life based on unverified assumptions.

So, have you ever actually checked once, let alone more than once as you imply with your "last time I checked" remark?

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 28, 2010 3:12:51 PM PST
Last edited by the author on Dec 28, 2010 5:57:10 PM PST
Kevin Bold says:
The Mormon Tabernacle Choir sings and records a lot of mainstream Christian hymns.

It's the music that's Christian.

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 28, 2010 3:13:36 PM PST
Kevin Bold says:
Yeah, they believe he's the Son of God in the same sense that I'm my dad's son. They think God had sex with Mary.

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 28, 2010 3:52:25 PM PST
Last edited by the author on Dec 28, 2010 8:12:33 PM PST
Mr. Krinkle says:
Oh my, that is so much crazier and far fetched then being born of a literal virgin impregnated by a non-physical spirit. (And is it even actually accurate? )

Just what are those crazy Mormons smoking?

Posted on Dec 28, 2010 6:09:30 PM PST
Mormons hold that Jesus Christ is the firstborn spirit child of the Heavenly Father (and Mother), and since we are all children of God, the 'Elder Brother' of humanity. Satan is a fallen spirit child of God, the second-born, who plotted war against the Heavenly Father and was cast down. The LDS Church and its hymns are distinctive in that they understand the Biblical text to be correct in so far as it has been translated, and that the Book or Mormon is an additional gospel (like the 4 gospels in the New Testament) that can add to and correct misunderstandings in the older Biblical text. Other Christians also have distinctive understandings of the nature and role of Christ--Catholics, Orthodox and Protestants also do not agree on very much. Even the Mormon Tabernacle Choir incorporate Catholic and Protestant hymns in their performances.

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In reply to an earlier post on Dec 28, 2010 8:05:55 PM PST
Sorry folks, appears some can't take this where it belongs......

Kevin Bold's post:
They think God had sex with Mary.
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No we don't. People have misunderstood what our past leaders have had to say on the subject. If God had, had sex with Mary then she would not have remained a virgin. And God would have sinned in not being married to Mary.

Please reply at: http://www.amazon.com/tag/christianity/forum/ref=cm_cd_tfp_ef_tft_tp?_encoding=UTF8&cdForum=Fx77WQHU8YS50Z&cdThread=TxBH1FH0VTMDGH&displayType=tagsDetail

http://www.fairlds.org/FAIR_Brochures/Did_God_have_Sex_with_Mary.pdf

Yours in Christ, Brother Niv

JesusChrist.lds.org

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 29, 2010 6:30:47 AM PST
CAM says:
I have many persons in my life that are 'Mormons' For the most part, they are very fine people. Hard working, family oriented. My problem is their view on God, most importantly. They believe Jesus is the "spirit brother of lucifer" ie, the devil. This is absolutely false. Jesus is creator. Not a created being, ie, angel, ie, cherubim rank of angel. The Mormon religion also teaches the males shall be exalted to become a god. This is absolutely unscriptural. In fact it is the first temptation of satan in the garden. see. Genesis 3:1-24 for more information by a ex third generation mormon, check out - www.utlm.org or a friends website - www.utahgospelmission.com

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 30, 2010 1:14:21 AM PST
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In reply to an earlier post on Dec 30, 2010 4:42:21 PM PST
The true name of what many call the mormon church is The Church of JESUS CHRIST of Latter Day Saints.
I am a "mormon" and I can assure you that Jesus Christ and His Father are the ONLY ones we worship. Listen to some of the music. You might be surprised!

Posted on Jan 2, 2011 10:54:24 PM PST
E. Rollins says:
Respectfully stated, Mormons are NOT Christians although they consider themselves to be. Here's why:

Mormon theology teaches that God is only one of countless gods, that he used to be a man on another planet, that he became a god by following the laws and ordinances of that god on that world, and that he brought one of his wives to this world with whom he produces spirit children who then inhabit human bodies at birth. The first spirit child to be born was Jesus. Second was Satan, and then we all followed. But, the Bible says that there is only one God (Isaiah 43:10; 44:6,8; 45:5), that God has been God eternally (Psalm 90:2) -- which means he was never a man on another planet. Since the Bible denies the existence of other gods (and goddesses), the idea that Jesus is the product of a god and goddess couple is rejected. The Bible tells us that Jesus - The Jesus of Mormonism - is definitely not the same Jesus of the Bible. Therefore, faith in the Mormon Jesus is faith misplaced because the Mormon Jesus doesn't exist.

Mormonism teaches that the sacrifice of Jesus on the cross itself (and receiving it by faith) is not sufficient to bring forgiveness of sins. It teaches that the forgiveness of sins is obtained though a cooperative effort with God; that is, we must be good and follow the laws and ordinances of the Mormon church in order to obtain forgiveness. Consider James Talmage, a very important Mormon figure who said, "The sectarian dogma of justification by faith alone has exercised an influence for evil," (Articles, p. 432), and "Hence the justice of the scriptural doctrine that salvation comes to the individual only through obedience," (Articles, p. 81). This clearly contradicts the biblical doctrine of the forgiveness of sins by grace through faith (Rom. 5:1; 6:23; Eph. 2:8-9) and the doctrine that works are not part of our salvation but a result of them (Rom. 4:5, James 2:14-18).

To further confuse the matter, Mormonism further states that salvation is twofold. It maintains that salvation is both forgiveness of sins and universal resurrection. So when a Mormon speaks of salvation by grace, he is usually referring to universal resurrection. But the Bible speaks of salvation as the forgiveness of sins, not simple universal resurrection. Where Mormonism states that forgiveness of sins is not by faith alone, the Bible does teach it is by faith alone. Which is correct? Obviously, it is the Bible.

Visit carm.org (Christian Apologetics & Research Ministry) for more information. (http://carm.org/mormonism)

We are saved by God's Grace through Faith ALONE, not by works- Ephesians 2:8-9

Posted on Jan 3, 2011 11:16:26 PM PST
Lets get this straight. Biblical Christianity believes that Jesus is God and Mormons believe that Jesus is not.

Posted on Jan 3, 2011 11:18:04 PM PST
Teresa L. Aranguiz says:
The true name of what many call the mormon church is The Church of JESUS CHRIST of Latter Day Saints.
I am a "mormon" and I can assure you that Jesus Christ and His Father are the ONLY ones we worship. Listen to some of the music. You might be surprised!

You do not believe Jesus is God. Only God is deserving of Worship. To worship Jesus under your beliefs is blasphemy.

In reply to an earlier post on Jan 4, 2011 6:44:44 AM PST
Mr. Krinkle says:
Mark Helfrich says:
Lets get this straight. Biblical Christianity believes that Jesus is God and Mormons believe that Jesus is not.

SH: Let's get this straight. Christianity differs, even going back to the very beginnings of it, and has different interpretations of who and what Christ is/was. You might be interested in The Lost Christianities: The Battles for Scripture and the Faiths We Never Knew

"Biblical" Christianity, as you put it, or typical Christianity, basically holds that Christ is the Son of God, and acceptance of Christ and His sacrifice is the key to salvation, through the atonement of sins.

Mormonism also holds that Christ is the Son of God, and acceptance of Christ and His sacrifice is the key to salvation, through the atonement of sins.

Mormons in fact believe that Christ, the Son of God, is the Creator of Earth and Jehovah of the Old Testament, who created under the eye of His father, God.

Certainly Mormons have some different beliefs than many Christian denominations, and even some very unique beliefs, different from all other Christian denominations, but the foundation of those beliefs is for all intents and purposes the same, and is certainly "Christian."

In reply to an earlier post on Jan 4, 2011 6:46:03 AM PST
Mr. Krinkle says:
Mark:
You do not believe Jesus is God. Only God is deserving of Worship. To worship Jesus under your beliefs is blasphemy.

SH: Before you go making such accusations, learn something about which you are preaching.

http://www.mormonbeliefs.org/

In reply to an earlier post on Jan 4, 2011 8:23:02 PM PST
Huh? You don't know Mormonism then do you? Go to www.lds.org and learn more.

Posted on Jan 4, 2011 11:02:02 PM PST
T. Tisdale says:
Mormonism is not Christianity. Very simply... they believe in a "Jesus," but not the same Jesus Christ, Savior and Lord who is the God of the Christian Faith. According to Want a test? If a Mormon leaves his church and joins a Baptist church, he will be dis-communicated from church, family, etc. That is not the way of Christian denominations which have the same doctrine, with differences in the administration of the doctrine. this is a DIFFERENT doctrine.

The Mormon teaching that Jesus and Satan are brothers is based on their concept of God being the Father of all pre-existent spirits. Since Jesus is the son of the Father and all other spirits, including Satan, are sons and daughters of the Father then all are brothers and sisters! Consider the writings of Spencer W. Kimball, Conference Report, April 1964, Pg.95

"There is another power in this world forceful and vicious. In the wilderness of Judaea, on the temple's pinnacles and on the high mountain, a momentous contest took place between two brothers, Jehovah and Lucifer, sons of Elohim."

This is a different belief of the "faith" Community that does not align with the concept of the Holy Trinity, the Figurehead of Christianity.

The question is Why do Mormons what to be Christians now? I grew up in strong Mormon communities in Arizona; Believe me, they DID not want to be called Christians. This is a late breaking development.... another thing that should give us pause.... things that make you go Hmmmmm!

Posted on Jan 6, 2011 2:47:33 PM PST
Someone may have said this before, so I'm sorry if it's a repeat. In John 3:16, Jesus Christ is refered to as God's "only begotten Son", so I'm not sure where the idea that Jesus and Satan are brothers could be considered scriptural at all. Christians don't believe that they are brothers, and apparently the Mormons do. That would be enough to end the discussion for me. They are not the same. Or am I oversimplifying things?

In reply to an earlier post on Jan 6, 2011 3:55:35 PM PST
The issue is far more complex than can be settled here. The Catholic and Protestant and Mormon traditions hold that all relationships between God (the Father) and the world are mediated through Jesus Christ, and that the return route is also through the Christ. For LDS'ers birth in this world of human beings is also mediated through Christ. For the Mormon tradition, Jesus is the 'Jehovah' of the Old Testament and creator of Earth. Therefore, when Jehovah incarnates in the form of Jesus in the New Testament there is no conflict with John 3:16.

A Different Jesus?: The Christ of the Latter-day Saints

In the Christian LDS tradition Jesus stands in for and speaks for the Father at all times and places, so it depends what you mean by "God" in John 3:16. Again, I would suggest that LDS music is both distinctive and also reflective of the Christian tradition more generally--witness the Mormon Tabernacle Choir's rendition of both "Jesu, Joy of Man's Desiring" and "Ex Ressurrectit" from Bach's "Mass in B Minor":

Jesu, Joy of Man's Desiring / Mormon Tabernacle Choir
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