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In reply to an earlier post on Jun 24, 2011 10:49:42 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on Jun 24, 2011 10:59:03 PM PDT
B. Josephson says:
A.L.S. wrote: And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them." Ephesians 5:11 THE END OF POST THREE OF THREE MY LAST POST TO THIS DISCUSSION.

Response: Shameful A.L.S., truly shameful.

I can understand why you would want to leave permanently after making such an unloving post.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 24, 2011 10:54:39 PM PDT
B. Josephson says:
A.L.S. ALS says: I copied and pasted much of the above scripture text from the Expose
of Mormonism by Erich and Jean Grieshaber which is available online for complete
examination at blueletterbible.com.

Response: Do you use Mein Kampf for your information on Jews?

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 25, 2011 1:08:19 AM PDT
P. B. Bower says:
You are partly correct - They do believe that He is the son of God, BUT - they do not believe that He was in the beginning with God, a part of the Trinity. They believe the Jesus was created by God as His son. There is a big difference. That is why they are not considered Christians by the mainline Christian churches. In actual fact, if they deny that Jesus was in the beginning with God they are not Christians by definition.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 25, 2011 1:55:31 AM PDT
B. Josephson says:
Bowers: if they deny that Jesus was in the beginning with God they are not Christians by definition.

Resposne; Here is how Christian is defined in the dictionary:

a : one who professes belief in the teachings of Jesus Christ b (1) : disciple 2 (2) : a member of one of the Churches of Christ separating from the Disciples of Christ in 1906 (3) : a member of the Christian denomination having part in the union of the United Church of Christ concluded in 1961
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/christian

I would go to the Bible for a defintion of Christian, but the term is not defined there.

So who gives you the right to say who is Christian or not Bower?

BTW of the four gospels, the gospel of John talks about Jesus being in the beginning with God, the other gospel writers do not. I guess you think the people who wrote Matthew, Mark and Luke were not Christians.

But this is a moot point, LDS says Jesus was in the beginning with God, they accept what the gospel of John says as true.

Best Wishes,
Shaamba Kaambwaat

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 25, 2011 7:07:41 AM PDT
No, it means they aren't Trinitarians by definition. Neither are all Protestants. And if you research the history of the church, neither were most of Christ's earliest followers. In one council, an idea that would be foreign to Jesus, who was raised in Jewish traditions, was made orthodoxy. That is the work of man, not the work of God.

Didn't Jesus have something to say about requiring people to follow rules that were made by man rather than by God?

I am a Christian who does not worship the Council of Nicaea. It is my understanding that even Trinitarians believe that only Jesus/God/Holy Spirit is divine, not a council of Romans whose decree was enforced by often violent means until any differing opinions were silenced.

This would not mean in any way that Mormons are not Christian. They believe in the divinity of God the father, and of Jesus the son, and of the Holy Spirit. They believe that Jesus is their savior.

What it *would* make them is a heretic under Council of Nicaea rules. And so what. Good for them. The Council of Nicaea crammed their own beliefs down the throat of Christianity by creating Orthodoxy. In my opinion, the Council of Nicaea would be considered heretical by Jesus. Jesus said himself in the Synoptic Gospels that only the Father should be worshiped, not him. He's pretty clear on the matter. Is it fair for a group of men to override his expressed wishes?

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 25, 2011 7:17:30 AM PDT
Pssst... L. Turner

You might want to consider how you are making Christians look.

Love they neighbor as thyself. Do you think Jesus would consider that you are embodying that?

Consider Matthew 7:16. What are your works saying about you?

You might want to consider the advice given to you to prayerfully ask for God's guidance in your responses. To help you post in such a way as to draw people to God, and to Christ.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 25, 2011 8:36:59 AM PDT
L. Turner says:
Blessing,

Here's the problem:

Blessing,

Mormons get a pass because they can add, delete or reconfigure what they believe, but Christians get back seated with their BS doctrines which they either reject as being theirs, or they remake/restate their doctrines to sound consistant with what their current prophet holds as being the truth?
Mormonism fits more the story line of a never ending series of "Star Trek" movie scripts.
A quote from the TV show "Tooltime":
I don't think so, Tim!
The issue has nothing to with how good or how bad Mormons are.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 25, 2011 8:41:06 AM PDT
L. Turner says:
Josephson,
If you believe all the wild stories that make Mormonism all of what it has been and now is, you should be one of them.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 25, 2011 8:44:45 AM PDT
Even if you believe that to be true, there are ways and ways of explaining perceived errors of others.

Whether or not you like it, if you identify yourself as a Christian, you are a representative of your faith. Are you currently giving an accurate representation of what Christianity is about? Are you speaking as Christ would have you speak?

Here's the problem. Hearts aren't won by vitriol. Be a missionary of your own faith. Be an exemplification of your own values. That's how hearts are won.

Frankly, although I have severe problems myself with Mormon theology, you are arousing in me a desire to call my closest Mormon church and sign up. You. Not the Mormons on this thread. Is that the message you're trying to send?

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 25, 2011 8:47:19 AM PDT
L. Turner says:
Josephson,
Thank you for all of your patronizing. Pick one side or the other. Most can see that you are only here to not help any one position , though you seem close to making a decision to follow the Mormons.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 25, 2011 8:52:18 AM PDT
L. Turner says:
Josephson,

Love or lack of has nothing to do with the send by A.L.S. You just don't want to deal with it. Come on now, you are the Devil's advocate, you can do much better.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 25, 2011 8:58:28 AM PDT
L. Turner says:
Josephson,

Quit restating yourself to be the jerk that you have already proven yourself to be. You must have been a real joy to your parents and teachers when you were a young brat. Joy of all wonders, you have turned into to Devil's advocate. How proud your parents must be!

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 25, 2011 9:06:01 AM PDT
L. Turner says:
Bower,

Do you remember "Star Trek"? Yes, that's a silly question. I never really thought that the show was all that great. Even before the new birth, I knew BS when I saw it. Mormonism fails the acid test so many ways to Sunday. Generally nice people, but lost in the maze of science fiction made to look as Christian as possible. Their clay has too much fools gold in it.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 25, 2011 9:14:04 AM PDT
L. Turner says:
Blessing,

Houston, we have a problem!

Luke 4:8 and Hebrews 1:6

Abort, abort the launch!

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 25, 2011 12:32:52 PM PDT
B. Josephson says:
Well, perhaps he is trying to post in such an ignorant and obnoxious way, that, in comparison the LDS look pretty good.

In my years of posting at Amazon, I cannot remember any Christian poster who has derided scholarhip the way Turner has. Turner's hardshell approach is really unimpressive.

Best Wishes,
Shaamba Kaambwaat

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 25, 2011 1:01:16 PM PDT
Well, I suppose everyone's fruit speaks for its own source. And the important thing is to look to our own to make sure it is sweet and wholesome, and free from bitterness and gall. :) Hard to do sometimes, I know.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 25, 2011 4:08:59 PM PDT
L. Turner says:
Josephson,

If you consider Mormon scholarship as being unadalterated from it's conception and unbiased, you really should become a Mormon. They can use all the in house Devil's advocates they can get. What's your deal in this forum? Who do you actually side with? which, if any denomination fits closest to your Hudini mindset?

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 25, 2011 4:22:05 PM PDT
L. Turner says:
Blessing,

You are correct. My responses are not always dripping with honey or pap. At some point my bull meter actually gets pushed too far. We all have buttons which have differing trigger responses. I don't always quote every comment with a backing Bible verse. I suppose that I should not assume that most of the readers here in are familiar enough with Scripture to get the drift of most comments I make. The few people that complain the most are either die hard Mormons or someone with a desire of their own to stir the pot yet another way. Well, I may have been born at night, just not last night.

Posted on Jun 25, 2011 5:05:32 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on Jun 25, 2011 5:23:51 PM PDT
B. Josephson says:
Your post, in reply to an earlier post on Jun 7, 2011 7:53:05 PM PDT
Last edited by you on Jun 7, 2011 7:57:22 PM PDT
B. Josephson says:
Well that explains it, anyone gullible to believe Kingdom of the Cults is extremely, extremely gullible.

At least he no longer called SDAs a cult before he died.

I could go on and on and on about how bad Martin's description of the LDS is.

Do you really want to dig out my notes, I haven't even looked at them for years.

Hope you read some scholary works, I can recommend some, and books not written by the LDS but genuine scholar, people like Leone, O'Dea, and Shipps. You might even find a scholary work by somebody named Josephson if you look at a university library.

Best Wishes,
Shaamba Kaambwaat

In reply to your post on Jun 7, 2011 8:08:06 PM PDT
L. Turner says:
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University library? Now there's an unbiasd place to get the truth. Not quite!
Are any of these "genuine scolars" Bible only believers? There are plenty of secular types out there writing lots of things.

This convinced me that Turnere was not just anti-Mormon, but anti-intellectual.

And when s/he slandered me, I put her on ignore and reported abuse.

S/he never learned that the gospel of Jesus is a gospel of love.

I hope she someday learns of that gospel.

Best Wishes,
Shaamba Kaambwaat

Posted on Jun 25, 2011 6:10:34 PM PDT
L. Turner says:
Josephson,

I actually had the privilage of meeting Walter Martin in/around 1981. Other than cultists, you are the only person that has had anything negative to say about Martin. Your dim view of Martin does not surprise me in the least given your odd patterns in this forum. You function in this forum more as an arbitrator with no actual position otherwise. What's up with this? Are you actually interested in Biblical truth, or are you just here to stir the pot differently than the opposed sides?

Posted on Jun 25, 2011 6:50:21 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on Jun 25, 2011 7:26:00 PM PDT
B. Josephson says:
Martin with his pony Ph.D. versus Leone, who has a Ph.D. in anthropology, who do I chose?

Martin with his phony Ph.D. versus O'Dea who has a Ph.D. in sociology, who do I chose?

Martin with his phony Ph.D. versus Shipps who has a Ph.D. in history of religion, who do I chose?

You can read about his phony Ph.D. and other controversies he has, including with other Christians, here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walter_Ralston_Martin

One good think it tells how he decided SDAs were Christians, though he said they were not at first.

Additional edit: I have stated many times over the year on the Christiaity forum that I distrust what the anti people and the apologists say, no matter what relligon they come from.

Their priority is not truth.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 25, 2011 9:43:53 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on Jun 25, 2011 9:49:03 PM PDT
L. Turner says:
Josephson,

You, like the Mormons seem to have a martyrs complex.
Have you ever considered the Unity church? They are not Biblical, but they might tell you that which would make you a happier you.

Why do you cry in your beer about the field of work Martin was involved in? I would have to guess that you did not like Dr. Donald Grey Barnhouse as well.

You are spinning your wheels listening to so many minds that yours can't take constructive criticism. Like I keep saying, you are for the most part content with what the Mormons believe. Why not join the Mormon church? I think that your ego and will is too large to be subject to the LDS authorities.

You would make a great Democtrat. They like you would like to think that anyone with an opposing view to be hateful and bigoted. A real nice touch when you run out of argument.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 25, 2011 9:45:42 PM PDT
Bounteous Blessing's post:
you are arousing in me a desire to call my closest Mormon church and sign up.
====================================
For you or any others who might have similar desire.

The nearest LDS chapel can be found via: maps.lds.org

Yours in Christ, Brother Niv

mormonmessages.org

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 25, 2011 9:50:26 PM PDT
L. Turner says:
Pretty cheesy Niv.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 25, 2011 10:06:30 PM PDT
Thank you, Brother Niv.

I have studied and prayed and heard the still small voice. What it told me is not what your still small voice told you. And if I understand correctly, the Mormon church isn't all that welcoming of theological disbelief. In other words, if there are aspects of Mormon theology that I don't and can't believe and that I don't and can't work towards believing, then I probably shouldn't be a member of the LDS church.

Have I understood that correctly?

That being said, I don't think there is a religion alive whose members are better missionaries of their faith than the LDS church. If I judged solely by the fruit of the church, I would find no better tree in the world. I have nothing but respect for the church and its members.

And yes, when I see a church being treated the way the LDS church is treated on the Amazon forums, I do get the urge to join. It's sort of the whatsoever you do to the least of your brothers, so you do unto me.
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