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In reply to an earlier post on Jun 8, 2011 6:48:00 PM PDT
L. Turner says:
Christ is not a different God from the Father. There is only one God, not 2 or 2 billion Gods. Jesus was fully human and fully God as well, (Christ/Emanual, God with us. Taking Biblical verses and attempting to make them fit the Mormons form of being Christian at the core fails the acid test of Scripture.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 8, 2011 6:55:55 PM PDT
L. Turner says:
Sometimes angel is actually messenger. God knows all things. Yes He new His creation before it was even created. That does not mean that any of us knew God within the same context. Working hard to justify a Mormon doctrine does not make it so from a Scripture only vantage point.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 8, 2011 8:11:28 PM PDT
L. Turner's post:
Christ is not a different God from the Father.
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9Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.

2Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;

Christ, being a heir of all things, is God. But he is not his own Father. His Father is his God. While Christ is a separate and distinct being from his Father, he is not a different God.

John 20:17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.

Christ has a "my God".

8But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.

Yet God, calls his own son God.

Yours in Christ, brother Niv

temples.lds.org

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 8, 2011 8:50:35 PM PDT
B. Josephson says:
Turner wrote: The best way to expose darkness is to shed light on it

Response: Then perhaps Jesus' words will help you. From Luke 11:

33 "No one lights a lamp and puts it in a place where it will be hidden, or under a bowl. Instead they put it on its stand, so that those who come in may see the light. 34 Your eye is the lamp of your body. When your eyes are healthy,[g] your whole body also is full of light. But when they are unhealthy,[h] your body also is full of darkness. 35 See to it, then, that the light within you is not darkness

Best Wishes,
Shaamba Kaambwaat

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 8, 2011 8:56:58 PM PDT
B. Josephson says:
Well, if I am taking verses out of context, then add additional verses.

You keep saying you believe inthe Bible, but don't quote any Bible verses, not a one.

Turner: Being blunt and honest is not being hatefull if the intention is to warn those following a works based erroring gospel that they are heading for a fall.

Response: But you are basically clueless, knowing almost nothing about the LDS. You just repeat fundie lies about the LDS.

Best Wishes,
Shaamba Kaambwaat

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 8, 2011 9:27:05 PM PDT
L. Turner said: "Angels, not humans."

Jeff's reply: So are you saying that `sons of God' refers to angels in Genesis 6? I didn't realize that Evangelicals believed that angels could marry and bear children? I always learn interesting things in these discussion groups.
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L. Turner said: "I realize that you won't accept that as reasonable because that would toss your Adam god plan out the window. The best way to expose darkness is to shed light on it."

Jeff's reply: ????????

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 8, 2011 10:02:12 PM PDT
L. Turner says:
Context would not be speaking of angels. Choice of words used is not always perfect to the original language. Eg: An angel is not always an angel. Sometimes it is a messenger/Pre incarnate Christ. I'm not going to take Mormon theology as Gospel truth. There are to many holes in their cheese.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 8, 2011 10:08:48 PM PDT
L. Turner says:
The Word also says that Satan comes as an angel of light. Sharing verses does not make Mormonism true.
Why don't you tell us about how you plan on having your own planet someday if you can find a Mormon wife in good standing. I'm sure most people will find it intertaining. I know that "I find it way out there"!

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 8, 2011 10:25:28 PM PDT
L. Turner said: "I'm not going to take Mormon theology as Gospel truth. There are to many holes in their cheese."

Jeff's reply: Rather, there are too many holes in your understanding of Mormon theology. I would suggest scanning LDS.org or mormon.org to get a true story of what our teachings are. I've always found it fascinating that people do everything they can to avoid looking at the source and instead rely on our critics to understand what we believe. If I follow your example, I'll use Dawkins as my one source for understanding Christianity, and do everything I can to avoid reading the Bible or the writings of church leaders.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 8, 2011 10:42:40 PM PDT
FYI, You still speak to Josephson as thou he were LDS. He isn't.

Yours in Christ, Brother Niv

music.lds.org

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 8, 2011 11:11:51 PM PDT
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B. Josephson says:
Turner wrote: The Word also says that Satan comes as an angel of light. Sharing verses does not make Mormonism true.

Response: When did I say Mormonism was true?

Not once in the years I have been posting in Amazon.

Neither have I referred to any other church as true.

I guess your mind reading skills are not too good.

Best Wishes,
Shaamba Kaambwaat

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 9, 2011 12:01:06 PM PDT
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Aside from the fact that the Hebrew Bible clearly speaks of plurality in several places (especially with the term 'Elohim' in Hebrew) the idea of exaltation "as becoming a god and getting one's own planet" is not accurate. If you are going to make statements about LDS doctrine (and you are not trolling, which I think you are) then you'll need to provide a citation from an authority to show your claim is currently accepted doctrine, especially because you have demonstrated yourself to be notoriously unreliable and ham-fisted in discussing Christianity in general, musically or otherwise. Certainly LDS musical recordings fall into wide acceptance as popular Christian music, as per Silent Night: The Greatest Hits of Christmas and Joy to the World. In the 1950's the MTC's recordings such as The Lord's Prayer, Volume II with the Mormon Tabernacle Choir [Lp Record] and an earlier work were quite popular, earning Gold record status.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 9, 2011 12:05:14 PM PDT
In fact just yesterday I came across an interesting foray into Christian ecumenism...The Biblical Roots of Mormonism. I'll have to see how it holds up, but it seems to have already made some mark in the ecumenical community.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 9, 2011 12:41:02 PM PDT
B. Josephson says:
I do think the idea that the LDS will rule their own planet is a folk belief. I have heard some LDS make allusions to that idea. However, I am sure there is nothing like this idea in their scriptures. Folk ideas are interesting, but most churches do not think they are the same as doctrines.

Best Wishes,
Shaamba Kaambwaat

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 9, 2011 1:10:29 PM PDT
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Kevin Bold says:
L. Turner says: Where have all the Mormons gone?

"Lo-ong time pa-aas-sing. . ."

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 9, 2011 1:17:58 PM PDT
L. Turner says:
Were there any other gods before the Biblical God created the earth? Do you believe that you can become a god by following/jumping through Mormon hoops then eventually rule your own planet? If you answer yes to either of these questions, you are not a Christian based on the Bible alone as the acid test. No one is telling you that you can't choose to believe what you choose to believe. Pasting many Biblical verses in the forum only means that you are sharing approved verses by the Mormon Church. The Mormon church is doing lots of damage control to make them look "Christian".

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 9, 2011 1:24:35 PM PDT
L. Turner says:
Sounds like he is speaking from the "World Council Of Churches" vantage point. The WCOC is working to Homogenize the field of religions into something that will not be Biblically Christian when they are done. Sounds pretty anti-Christ to me.

Posted on Jun 9, 2011 1:36:31 PM PDT
L. Turner says:
Currently accepted doctrine? What a dance that is! If Joe Smith said it, it is as true as Gospel truth! If Joe Smith and or B.Young said it, THAT AM WHAT THE MORMON CHURCH BELIEVES! Your words exude too much false patronizing to most who see the bigger picture.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 9, 2011 1:43:51 PM PDT
L. Turner says:
More stories much older than Solomon Spalding's? Send the materials to the heads of the Mormon church so they can plagerize it until it fits the desired current Mormon doctrine needs. You have no idea how much better I feel knowing that the Mormon church can use their latest Pope equivilant to hash this thing out.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 9, 2011 1:45:31 PM PDT
L. Turner says:
Nice and slippery. Just what I expected.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 9, 2011 2:00:37 PM PDT
L. Turner says:
Looks like they have come back with more Mormon ammo. Quoting Scripture from a Mormon world view. I think it is quite nice that the Mormons take better care of their own than can be seen in many other cases. However, the other side of the coin is not so pretty. Having to swallow the teachings of Joe Smith and those who replaced him along the way under elates me. Baptising for the dead, wearing Mormon garments, non-Tithing not optional, Getting married in a Mormon temple and the list goes on. These and other activities are required in order for a Mormon to become a god. Sorry, it will not wash.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 9, 2011 2:04:25 PM PDT
L. Turner says:
You should be a lawyer. Thank you for all of your patronizing.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 9, 2011 2:30:29 PM PDT
L. Turner said: "Were there any other gods before the Biblical God created the earth?"

Jeff's reply: The Father is the Supreme Being and has been from the beginning. Jesus, or the Lord, is the Son of God and it was He that created the earth under the direction of the Father. We believe that there is but one God, the Father, and one Lord, Jesus Christ. This means that we know of two divine beings that existed before Jesus created the earth; the Father and the Son.
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L. Turner said: "Do you believe that you can become a god by following/jumping through Mormon hoops then eventually rule your own planet?"

Jeff's reply: No. We believe that those that follow Christ will become the adopted sons of God, be subject to the Father and the Son and share in their divine nature and dwell in the presence of the Father and Son forever.
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L. Turner said: "If you answer yes to either of these questions, you are not a Christian based on the Bible alone as the acid test."

Jeff's reply: The Bible is very clear that the Father and Son are separate beings. You still have not given us Biblical proof that the Father and Son are a single being. I already showed you that they have separate wills. We know that the Father is the `God of gods'.

I would suggest reading what the early Christians believed and since you don't like it when I quote the Bible I will quote an early Christian Father. Origen (AD 185-251) said concerning Christ and then men in general:

"And thus the first-born of all creation, who is the first to be with God, and to attract to Himself divinity, is a being of more exalted rank than the other gods beside Him, of whom God is the God, as it is written, "The God of gods, the Lord, hath spoken and called the earth." It was by the offices of the first-born that they became gods, for He drew from God in generous measure that they should be made gods, and He communicated it to them according to His own bounty. The true God, then, is "The God," and those who are formed after Him are gods, images, as it were, of Him the prototype."

This type of writing is typical of early Christians. You will note that he also quotes the Bible, which I know that you dislike. Since you don't believe we are Christian, I'm willing to bet that you also don't believe that early Christians are Christian. From what I can tell, your definition of Christian only includes a small subset of modern day Protestants.
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L. Turner said: "Pasting many Biblical verses in the forum only means that you are sharing approved verses by the Mormon Church. The Mormon church is doing lots of damage control to make them look "Christian"."

Jeff's reply: Approved verses??? Perhaps you could give me a list of verses that I should use. Are these `LDS approved verses' something that you don't believe are true?

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 9, 2011 3:30:00 PM PDT
L. Turner says:
Less response is better, thank you.

Isaiah 9:6-7, 43: 3, 10-13, 45:21-24
John 4:42 Acts 4:12, 20:28 1 John 4:14

Jesus said that only God was Good. There is but 1 God. Either Jesus was making himself to not not be good or He/Jesus and the Father are the 1 and only God/Spirit, but within the confines of human flesh as Savior/God/Spirit. God is Spirit. Those who worship HIM do so in spirit and truth. Spirit= the 1 and only God. Our spirit/non-capitol s means that we are made with the ability to have relationship with God. One problem Mormons seem to over look is that Jesus was God and man. In this state of being in human flesh, he could relate to God as Father because He was of the same substance (Spirit) as the Father.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 9, 2011 4:01:29 PM PDT
L. Turner said: "Isaiah 9:6-7, 43: 3, 10-13, 45:21-24
John 4:42 Acts 4:12, 20:28 1 John 4:14"

Jeff's reply: I'm not sure what you are trying to say with this list. We know that there is one God (Supreme Being) and that is the Father. See 1 Corinthians 8:6 and John 17:3. Note that Eternal Life is listed as knowing the `only true God' (the Father) AND also knowing Jesus Christ, whom the Father sent. Jesus is a separate being who is also divine. The scriptures you list do not say that the Father and Son are the same substance or spirit. Jesus prays to the Father and calls Him His God. Jesus does not pray to Himself. They are two distinct persons or beings. The New Testament is extremely clear on that point.
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L. Turner said: "One problem Mormons seem to over look is that Jesus was God and man."

Jeff's reply: We are very aware that Jesus was both God and man. Jesus is the Jehovah of the Old Testament and the creator of this world and countless other worlds. He is God because the Father gave Him authority to act in His name. Christ is the agent of the Father and is fully divine. He has a separate will than the Father, but has voluntarily aligned His will with that of the Father. At this point Jesus is a glorified resurrected man and has promised us that we will be resurrected like Him one day.
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