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Initial post: Nov 21, 2009 10:30:41 PM PST
Dakotawolf says:
How can God, who is the creator of all that there is, just abandon us? God allows children to be abused, sometimes horribly, and sometimes even murdered. God allows innocent, helpless animals, that he created, to also be abused horribly and be murdered. Why? I don't comprehend how God can just turn his back on helpless children and animals, of all creation, and allow them to be abused. And what about adults that God allows to be tortured and brutally murdered? Where is God? It is just incomprehensible to me. I simply don't understand it.
I've heard people say 'Just trust in Jesus and everything will be okay'. Well that is a lie. Nothing will not just be 'okay'.
How can a person ever believe or have faith that God will be there for him or her when God was not there for that person when they were a child?

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In reply to an earlier post on Nov 21, 2009 11:09:04 PM PST
G-d never ever left anyone who was being abused and hurt. In fact G-d is right there with them, inside of them, giving them comfort and helping them get through horrible experiences. Just because some people choose to do really bad things, does not mean that G-d has left or turned G-ds back on anyone.

Maybe G-d wasn't the superman who came and took innocent children out harms ways and away from people who do very harmful things to them. That just isn't how it works. G-d never said that He would do that for anyone. We all think that is how G-d works...that is what we hope for, dream for, yearn for when adults in our lives are hurting us....yet that is not how G-d operates. G-d is with everyone at all times....even the abusers...they just have to stop and listen to G-d....sadly many of them do not stop and listen....they are too hurt themselves...they don't see G-d anymore.....the connection is still there for the abusers and for the abused. G-d is so much greater than all of that. I know it sometimes feels that G-d turned His back...I have been there. I got angry with G-d for a very long time....let G-d have it, G-d can take it....then I found my truth...that G-d was there all the time, and kept me safe even though other people did very bad things.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 21, 2009 11:26:47 PM PST
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Dakotawolf says:
ONE!!! says:
G-d never ever left anyone who was being abused and hurt. In fact G-d is right there with them, inside of them, giving them comfort and helping them get through horrible experiences. Just because some people choose to do really bad things, does not mean that G-d has left or turned G-ds back on anyone.

Maybe G-d wasn't the superman who came and took innocent children out harms ways and away from people who do very harmful things to them. That just isn't how it works. G-d never said that He would do that for anyone. We all think that is how G-d works...that is what we hope for, dream for, yearn for when adults in our lives are hurting us....yet that is not how G-d operates. G-d is with everyone at all times....even the abusers...they just have to stop and listen to G-d....sadly many of them do not stop and listen....they are too hurt themselves...they don't see G-d anymore.....the connection is still there for the abusers and for the abused. G-d is so much greater than all of that. I know it sometimes feels that G-d turned His back...I have been there. I got angry with G-d for a very long time....let G-d have it, G-d can take it....then I found my truth...that G-d was there all the time, and kept me safe even though other people did very bad things.

Me: I just don't see it that way. I grew up abused. And never did God intervene, not one single time. Instead, God allowed the abuse to happen. And he allows much worse to happen to other people.
See, what I don't understand, is this: God could stop the abuse and the all of the other bad things that happen to people, but he doesn't. God just stands by and allows it to happen. It is like God doesn't care. He doesn't even try to prevent bad things from happening. And when it is helpless children and animals being abused, it just blows my mind how God doesn't intervene to stop it or why he even allows it to happen in the first place. It makes no sense.
I have pets who I would give my life for to protect them. But God, who is the creator of all of us, didn't lift a finger to protect me.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 21, 2009 11:46:58 PM PST
G-d isn't this magical being in the sky who can just stop people from doing things. I wanted G-d to stop things as well...but that isn't how it works. G-d was there for me, and for you...G-d helped us survive horrible things and helped us in the end become stronger and be the person that G-d created us to be. It is hard to see it. I had a very hard time seeing that for a very long time. I wanted G-d to rescue me from those bad things. I was angry that G-d didn't rescue me...didn't take me away and let me be around people who loved me and would be nice to me. Those people have choices....just like I have choices. They chose to do some horrible things. I have to chose now to not allow those choices that they made to rule my life. I get to choose to know that G-d loved me and them through all of it. It took me so many years to come to this place though. I was angry with G-d for so long. I even hated G-d. G-d is big enough that He can take it all. I am not talking about Jesus mind you, as I do not believe that Jesus is G-d. I am talking about G-d. I know it makes no sense that G-d didn't intervene. Trust me. I know more than I would like to know. Yet, that is the way it works. People do what they do, and we either connect with G-d or we don't. It is up to us to connect with G-d. All the things that people do, G-d can't stop or control. Why would He? G-d created us....not to be his puppets...G-d is not a puppet master pulling the strings...no G-d is so much grander than that. I know it hurts, and that it would have been glorious for G-d to swoop down into my life and make all those bad things stop. I prayed for that for years. I even prayed for that after it was all over. I know how it feels. I also know that we all have choices that we get to make....and sometimes our choices hurt others...it isn't that G-d is uncaring or unloving...it is that G-d allows us to choose...and you get to choose now...choose to love G-d...choose to be angry with G-d...choose to connect with G-d and see that G-d is so much more than just someone to rescue us from our immediate pain and anguish in this world.

I am sorry for whatever abuse that you endured. I am glad that you have survived and are dealing with all those issues about G-d and abuse....it is hard, but it is worth it. I am glad that you are here.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 21, 2009 11:51:34 PM PST
Akhenaten says:
A negative "opposition" in my eyes leads to evolution. The will/drive to overcome.

Ignorance. The lack of awareness that the heart of one's brother is as his own. or "sense of being detached" or TOO attached. As in many of those who are abused speak as if they are still being abused. I am so empathetic concerning the pain people go through but I am not concerned if they feel the need to remain in a victim/blame state. Past is dead, Future doesn't exist. If a person cannot exist in the moment...then what?

Abuse breeds abuse.....cycle. Suffering is a cycle, life death is a cycle. Man seems to work as a one organism and perpetrate this cycle. If anyone is to blame it is Man. Why blame Gd for man not living to his potential?

Watch the world. Life feeds on life. Creation/consumption. This is the world. The whole continually feeding on itself. Again to blame Gd as if Gd if a man? Why? Seems a cop-out

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 22, 2009 12:09:01 AM PST
Nefer....

I used to blame G-d too....so I understand that a bit more. I blamed G-d because I wanted so desperately to be saved from that. I had no control, I was helpless when I was being hurt. I wanted someone to help me. I wanted it so desperately. It is a part of the healing process to blame G-d and to work through it all. I use to want to make G-d responsible for my pain. I thought that G-d could have made my pain less than it was. The truth of my situation is that G-d did make my pain less...G-d was there the whole time, loving me, supporting me, and helping me survive what happened to me. It is important to be able to work though it and to separate what is G-ds responsibility and ownership and what is humans. It is important to be able to find that connection with G-d outside of the past, outside of abuse, in spite of any abuse. It is important to be able to heal that spiritual connection that past abusers attempted to destroy, be it covertly or overtly. It is important to work through the anger and dismay at not being saved by G-d when it was humans doing bad things. I see Dakota trying to work though it all and move past her past....to find peace with G-d in the present...and to do that she must find peace with G-d about her past....at least that is what I needed to do, and how it worked for me.

It seems cruel that G-d would allow people to hurt other people, especially children...especially if you were a child being hurt. We are taught that G-d is a parent, the best parent ever, and when your parents aren't good parents you really want to be rescued by the best parent ever. That is the thinking of a child. I had to mourn the loss of my idea of G-d as the parent who would rescue me...it was painful, and important. G-d is much more than what we yearn for, and did much more for us than we can even imagine. I think Dakota is on a good path....I pray that she can heal her connection with G-d and not let the horrible actions of people keep her from that connection.

Posted on Nov 22, 2009 12:13:59 AM PST
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In reply to an earlier post on Nov 22, 2009 12:19:49 AM PST
I am going to politely suggest that you learn how to be supportive and not preach at people. *smile*

I think you mean well, but your delivery leaves a lot to be desired.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 22, 2009 12:27:54 AM PST
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J.Espresso says:
Is there some reason why people write "G-d" when it's the same number of keystokes to just write "God". What the hell? Please don't tell me that writing this word ticks him off. If he's the type that gets bent out of shape about little things like this, the big things are really going to get him hot under the collar.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 22, 2009 12:34:36 AM PST
No, G-d is not the type to get bent out of shape over little things like the way I type the word G-d. I do it out of respect. The commandment is to not destroy anything that has the name of G-d on it...yes, I know that G-d is not the name, but it is still talking about G-d, the divine. I don't want anyone to print out a page with my words on it and not treat it as holy when I talk about G-d....so I type it this way.

It is a personal choice, a way that I show respect and honor to G-d when I am using the word G-d to represent the Almighty.

I am sorry that my respect for G-d seems to have made you believe that I see G-d as a being that gets upset about those kinds of things...not it at all. I wish you a wonderful evening, or day....*smile*

Posted on Nov 22, 2009 12:49:28 AM PST
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HIS servant says:
Dakota, I sincerely hear and feel your pain. I don't know if my words will be of any comfort to you. The first thing you need to understand is that earth is not the Kingdom of Heaven. You have a very kind, caring and even loving heart that wishes to do harm to no one. You need to discern the world you live in. You need to discern the enemy of GOD. There was a time when lucifer was and arch angel in heaven. He was the most beautiful and wise. One day he wanted to be GOD instead of honoring GOD who created him. He was cast out of heaven down to earth and became satan. He lost all rank in the kingdom of heaven and didn't have any power here on earth until Adam and Eve believed him over GOD. It was in that moment that satan became the 'god' of this world and had dominion over it. Jesus came and took dominion away from him and gave it back to all of us who believe. Earth is the battlefield for souls. This is not a fair fight in two ways...... satan doesn't fight fair and will attack children and the innocent. This is not a fair fight because Jesus has already defeated satan and those who truly believe in Christ have victory over satan too. Believers are called to go forth and spread the good news.... Jesus defeated satan and if we believe in Him we share in Jesus' victory along with many other benefits that comes from believing in the Son of GOD. Jesus also said the 'harvest' which are unbelievers is great and the 'laborers' which are true believers in Christ are few. It is also written that to be absent in the flesh is to be present in the Lord. Those who have died at the hands of others are in heaven. Many do not have victory because they don't understand the truth about Jesus. It might seem like satan is winning by all the death and abuse and destruction you see in this world. If one reads the Word of GOD which is the Holy Bible they would know that GOD wins. In fact there will be a new heaven and a new earth where there will be no more pain but only those who believe. This heaven is the world you wish existed here and now and the one your heart is seeking. If this world beat, whipped, falsely accused and hung Jesus the only person that was completely sinless in this world on the cross....Jesus who is GOD in the flesh...... what makes you think satan is going to take it easy on you or me or children or the innocent? Just remember..... satan doesn't fight fair but he is already defeated. Without belief in Jesus as the Son of GOD one stands completely defenseless in this world. The Word of GOD is the Holy Bible and it is our weapon... our sword because satan can not deny the truth that is written in it. In the end GOD's justice will be done.

May the Lord Jesus reveal Himself to you, help you to understand and comfort you with His peace and love. Amen.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 22, 2009 1:33:25 AM PST
Akhenaten says:
There are Jews on the thread as well as others who consider such sacred, I do it for them. An "o" means nothing to me. The word itself, also nothing to me I feel its too small anyway. I do it out of respect for people, simple.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 22, 2009 9:36:18 AM PST
Cheri now known as ForHim,

We have already proven to you that your Christian Satan is not in the Hebrew Scriptures (Old Testament to you) and such a creature does not exist.

It would oh so nice to be able to blame all the bad things in my life, your life, and this world on some evil creature...it just ain't so.

People do bad things. People hurt one another. Your demi-god Satan has nothing to do with it.

Plus, that kind of talk does not help someone heal the emotional and spiritual damage done or help solidify one's relationship and connection to G-d after people do horrible things. G-d is not responsible for the horribly bad things that people do to other people. Your made up Christian Satan isn't responsible either.

People are responsible for their actions.

Healing the connection to G-d and seeing that wanting G-d to come in and take you away from all those horrible things is how a child looks at it...not a bad thing, just a child's view...that you can grow in your view of The Divine and in that you grow in your connection to The Divine.

Maybe, the only way you can understand why G-d did not help you in the way that you wanted G-d to and at the time that you wanted G-d to help is to believe that this demi-God called Satan that you believe in and worship was the master mind behind it all.....for that I truly feel sorry for you.

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DocMMV says:
Dakota,

I'm sorry that you felt it necessary to bring your personal pain to this forum. I'm sorry that you lived through it.
That does not change the fact that you are being led astray here. The easiest way to lead others astray is to make the path as comfortable as possible. It is in the comfort of their solace that they lead you down the wrong path.
Find the right path.
It is not here.

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Harold Lime says:
I guess God's just not that into us.

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The Walrus says:
Free will-the evilness of man-karma...

Peace,
The Walrus

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 22, 2009 2:09:14 PM PST
God doesn't turn His back on us -- we turn our backs on Him !!!

Your sense of movement is backwards.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 22, 2009 2:12:40 PM PST
The Walrus says:
Very well put, ONE, I concur. Their is no "satan", no "devil", no supernatural "evil being" who tempts man, all evil is of man, there is no "hell", "hell" is a state of mind right here on earth, their is no "eternal damnation." Through the Unconditional Love of God, all roads lead to Eternal Life.

Peace,
The Walrus

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Dakotawolf says:
Well--Pickle Me Timbers ! says:
God doesn't turn His back on us -- we turn our backs on Him !!!

How can children and animals turn their backs on God? It is God who allows all the evil things to occur. God, being the creator, could intervene and stop the abuse that, especially children and animals endure, or God could just prevent it in the first place. But no, instead, God has this hands off policy on his creation and he just stands by and lets all kinds of bad things happen. And when it is innocent children and animals who don't even have a choice in the matter, to me it is just incomprehensible how God can allow this.
Children and animals don't turn their backs on God. It is God who has turned his back on them. And there is plenty of evidence to support this. Just look at all of the children that are abused in very bad ways. Look at the ones who are brutally murdered. Look at the innocent animals who are abused everyday. Does a pony who is tied to the back of a pick up truck and drug to his death, deserve this horrible way to die because this pony turned his back on God? No! It is God who has abandoned his creation.

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Lucifer says:
Here is the whole true story of why G-d MUST turn His back on us: it's for our own good, as explained in Scripture:

Moses is the only man of G-d who ever saw Yahveh skyclad in the full monty. It took several requests. Whenever Moses met G-d on Mount Sinai to receive the next set of new commandments, YHVH hid himself behind a cloud. Moses could hear G-d's deep, booming voice coming from the vapor, but it was like talking to Darth Vader, which piqued Moses' curiosity.

Back in Egypt, when Moses was still plaguing Pharaoh to let G-d's people go, the Pharaoh's priests had this saying (I'm translating loosely) - "Be careful, your Highness, the Hebrew god, Yahveh, has his codpiece in a twist " - which Moses thought was a blasphemous thing to say, and inappropriate, because the Lord's loins and midriff are not something that anyone except a Jewish prophet should be thinking about. It's like saying, "What Would Jesus Do?" That's fine, if it's a question of loving your neighbour, or your neighbour's wife, or shopping for a new car, or whom to bomb, but it's not okay for anyone to ask, "What Would Jesus Do for underwear?" or "What Would Jesus Say when he farted?" Those are just totally inappropriate questions, and I'm not going to answer them for you.

Still, the Egyptian priests had put the bug in Moses' craw and he could not help but wonder what the Lord looks like. Does YHVH appear big or little to mortal eyes? black-bearded or white, youthful or ancient, pink or bright-amber, fully robed or not-so-fully-robed? If (b.), then would His fiery loins appear to be circumcised, humanly speaking? or is that not a permitted question?

Moses brought his curiosity to the Lord in prayer, many times, crying out, "How long, O LORD?" - but he never received a specific answer, in inches, as the prophet Ezekiel did.

After speaking with the priests of Pharaoh-whose deities included Isis, Hathor, and Qetesh -Moses' spirit was troubled with the question, What if YHVH is a woman? or a eunuch? What difference would that make, theologically speaking?

One day on Mt. Sinai, the Lord spoke from the cloud and said, "Moses, you have found grace in my sight, and I know you by name."

This was the cue Moses had been waiting for. His curiosity got the best of him:

Moses said, "I beg of you, LORD, show me yourself in your full glory."

And the LORD said, "I will make my full goodness appear before you. And I will proclaim the name, YHVH, before you. And I will be gracious to whom I will be gracious, and I will show mercy on whom I will show mercy."

That was fine, said Moses, patiently (he'd heard it all before); but what he really wanted was for YHVH to exhibit Himself in the glorious full monty.

God worked out a compromise:

The Lord said, "Lo, you may not view My front side, for there shall no man see that, and survive." Then YHVH said, "But behold, there is a place by Me, where you shall stand on a rock. And it shall come to pass, when I in My glory walk by, that I will put you in a cleft of the rock. And I will cover you with My hand as I walk past. I will then take away My hand, and you shall see My hinder parts. But My front side must not be seen. (Exodus 33:18-23, KJV)

Moses promised not to peek.

The Lord came down from the cloud. He put Moses in the cleft of a rock. He removed His hand. And He stood there for a moment as Moses worshiped the Divine Form, from behind.

In none of the five books that he wrote about G-d, does Moses describe what YHVH's hinder parts actually look like, so I am afraid I cannot satisfy your curiosity on that point. (The great church father, Saint Origen, speculated that YHVH is globular, having just one broad, round, unvented buttock, not two smaller ones; which makes good sense, when you think about it [p.s. --which I don't])

But the LORD was missing something else, as well -

What He missed was the choral music. Moses informs us in the Book of Exodus that G-d on this particular trip to Earth had journeyed without His usual band of herald angels to sing their usual hymns of praise.

Caught without His heavenly choir, the LORD sang a song of Himself, in His own voice, a deep, booming alto:

Standing there before Moses, YHVH proclaimed the name, "Yahveh!" Having walked past Moses, the LORD sang out, "Yahveh! Yahveh God! Merciful and gracious! Patient! Abundant in goodness and truth! Keeping mercy for thousands! Forgiving iniquity and transgression and sin! Yahveh, who will not simply excuse the guilty but will instead avenge the sins of the fathers upon the children, and upon the children's children, unto the third and to the fourth generations! Yahveh!" (Exod. 34:6-7)

What a voice! powerful and deep, like a young Tennessee Ernie Ford, or Gomer Pyle! And how the LORD cheered Himself on! For one fleeting moment, in my mind's eye, I could almost imagine your heavenly Father in a jumper with a big Y on His bosom, and a pleated skirt, and bright amber panties, shaking pompons and leaping and shouting -

Give Me a Y! (Y!)
Give Me an H! (H!)
Give Me a V! (V!)
Give Me another H! (H!)
Wudduz it spell? YAHVEH!

- as Moses watched from behind.

Sometimes I think the Lord must be terribly insecure.

No, strike that thought. That thought is what first got me into trouble. Dad is a lot more secure than you may think. He just wants His creatures to know that He's fiery hot, the hottest god you ever didn't see.

Well, I know just the place for Him.

- L.
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